iBooks 1.2.1 Detects Some Jailbreaks, Disables iBookstore Purchases in Response

[Number 41]

I don't have a problem with the TOS, others may have.

and don't compare us....we have vastly different moral and ethical standards.

Yeah. Vastly different moral and ethical standards.

I bought and installed LockInfo on my iPhone. You didn't.

I should probably be put on a watch list to ensure I don't go killing kittens this weekend.

And you're being intellectually dishonest if you're at all OK with Apple unilaterally altering the terms of use of your iPhone without compensation to you for diminished functionality.

They could remotely delete your "Messages" App tomorrow, and you'd be stuck with a 2 year agreement to use a phone that can't text.

You'd be OK with that? Hardly.

 

[jlmitnick]

well, given your past record of nonsense I'd like proof a clause as described exists but...

I'd have a problem with it cos I like using it and I would ask Apple for a reason for doing so before considering what else to do.

Nonsense? I like how you criticize me for "signing" the ToS then I quote you from the official ToS to prove how it's actually an absurd document and then you don't believe me because YOU haven't read it.

And then the truth comes out that when it affects YOU, you would have a problem.

 

[Laird Knox]

Yes. Because AT&T and Apple told us there would be tethering, and when they DID come out with it, it required me to give up FOREVER my unlimited data plan. No grandfathering. I call BS on that, and decided I needed to jailbreak just to tether at a cost that was reasonable for the little I use it in the field (literally). It is the only reason I have a jailbreak.

So theft is OK when you don't agree with the providor's pricing? Interesting...

 

[archipellago]

Nice strawman.

Show me once where I've advocated piracy. JB'ing does not equal piracy any more than simply having Vuze downloaded on your Mac indicates you're stealing music and movies. I use Vuze every day to legally trade and share concerts from bands with open taping policies. I purchase software from Cydia to let me manage my calander on my iPhone (something Apple is still behind the OLD version of WinMo on) and generally improve my user experience.

What's being argued here is that people are somehow "bad' because they aren't following a 50 page "Agreement" (which, mind you, offers the consumer no ability to bargain over terms or reach any kind of meeting of the minds -- it's a take it or leave it situation) that governs exactly how they're supposed to use the $800 piece of technology they purchased.

Whatever. We're all pirates. Arrrrghhhhhh.

desperation where art thou..?

lol..!!

Stealing a million bucks would improve my 'user experience' should I do it...?


again...

you clicked agree to a TOS agreement that you either now or then believe is irrelevant or irrelevent to you.

you now moan that Apple is taking steps to enforce this agreement you voluntarily signed up for.

why...?

If Apple don't provide you with the tools for everyday leave then your choice is to find someone else who does within the framework of a legal agreement, if that doesn't exist then invent it.... ya know like 'Steve and Woz'


Please just sell up and leave, this 'user experience' is not suitable for you.

 

[michaelcyee]

Paid app developers. There are over 30 thousand of them.

Actually, what Apple here is encouraging MORE piracy.

This guy bought an iBookstore book and he can't read it because he's jailbroken.

I'm jailbroken, and the EPUB books I have that are not through the iBookstore (NOT pirated, but some of my personal short stories stories converted in Calibre) can still be opened through iBooks. But I cannot rad Winnie-the-Pooh because that came from the iBookstore.

Legitimate customer loses.

Pirate wins.

Jailbroken pirate 1, jailbroken non-pirate 0.

 

[archipellago]

Nonsense? I like how you criticize me for "signing" the ToS then I quote you from the official ToS to prove how it's actually an absurd document and then you don't believe me because YOU haven't read it.

And then the truth comes out that when it affects YOU, you would have a problem.

Not at all, I was just asking for a direct link to the clause or term as I think you'd lie about it.

If I believed I was acting within the TOS then I'd argue the point with them and ask them to show me where they thought I was 'outside'

besides, the unilateral term you reference (if it exists) is miles away from knowingly acting outside the TOS...maybe that was your point?

 

[JSchur]

The simple solution is to not buy books from the Apple iBooks store. Even if one prefers the iBook reader, Non-DRM epub books can be had elsewhere.

 

[leroypants]

Apple one more shows they are the enemy of the consumer. I'm sure the Kool-aid set will be here shorty to tell us how great this is and any criticism of Apple is an effort to 'troll'.

Its been a sad couple of years, where Apple has in-effect declared war on its customer base that does not follow lock step with their edicts. I guess we will have to, once more, bow down at the Alter of Steve Jobs if we want to access our LEGALLY purchased content.

Woe to anyone who challenges them.

Great post, you could cut and paste thisto about a dozen threads.

 

[archipellago]

Not at all, I was just asking for a direct link to the clause or term as I think you'd lie about it.

If I believed I was acting within the TOS then I'd argue the point with them and ask them to show me where they thought I was 'outside'

besides in my country, for a contract to be valid it has to be fair and reasonable in its terms, I suspect Apple would need to prove nefarious intent to use the all encompassing clause.

besides, the unilateral term you reference (if it exists) is miles away from knowingly acting outside the TOS...maybe that was your point?

 

[rwilliams]

PwnageTool 4.2 has just been released with the iBooks fix.

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/3314130778/whats-in-a-name

PwnageTool also includes two very recent improvements to the 4.2.1 JB: iBooks was just fixed by @comex and @pushfix last night so that it works as intended on DRMed books, and the wifi problem on AppleTV 2G was fixed by @nitotv, @DHowett, and @saurik. Both of these fixes will also be available in upcoming Cydia package updates, so if you’re already jailbroken you can wait for those updates rather than restore and jailbreak again.

 

[archipellago]

Yeah. Vastly different moral and ethical standards.

I bought and installed LockInfo on my iPhone. You didn't.

I should probably be put on a watch list to ensure I don't go killing kittens this weekend.

And you're being intellectually dishonest if you're at all OK with Apple unilaterally altering the terms of use of your iPhone without compensation to you for diminished functionality.

They could remotely delete your "Messages" App tomorrow, and you'd be stuck with a 2 year agreement to use a phone that can't text.

You'd be OK with that? Hardly.

the EULA/TOS in my country would need to operate within statutory law and as I explained above its not a real world term or even feasible.

still..

I have no issue with jailbreaking or jailbreakers as long as they don't whinge about the consequences.

I also have no problem with Apple doing what it feels it needs to do to combat it.

Less JB is better for the iOS community alround, imagine if a malware app appeared on the JB scene and the havoc it could cause..everyone..?


also I have no need to sign a 2 yr agreement in this country...

 

[jlmitnick]

Not at all, I was just asking for a direct link to the clause or term as I think you'd lie about it.

If I believed I was acting within the TOS then I'd argue the point with them and ask them to show me where they thought I was 'outside'

besides in my country, for a contract to be valid it has to be fair and reasonable in its terms, I suspect Apple would need to prove nefarious intent to use the all encompassing clause.

besides, the unilateral term you reference (if it exists) is miles away from knowingly acting outside the TOS...maybe that was your point?

Dude just google iTunes terms of service and actually start reading some of it...it's actually pretty interesting how basically you have no rights and everything is subject to apple's potentially arbitrary decisions. I would link you but I'm on my iPhone .

Check the termination section for the language I linked.

 

[ugahairydawgs]

Paid app developers. There are over 30 thousand of them.

What does restricting the use of legitimate iBook purchases on a JB iPhone have to do with App developers?

Unless you are just assuming that anyone who jailbreaks their phone steals apps.

 

[Sofabutt]

Hmm, I foresee Apple running in to a ****-storm of hate and discontent.

 

[archipellago]

Dude just google iTunes terms of service and actually start reading some of it...it's actually pretty interesting how basically you have no rights and everything is subject to apple's potentially arbitrary decisions. I would link you but I'm on my iPhone .

Check the termination section for the language I linked.

all encompassing terms (in my country at least) would need to be relevant to the law of the land, that is the consumer protection.

The terms you refer to are not unique to Apple.

if you have a problem with them then you'd hate what the govt. (every) can do.

 

[archipellago]

Hmm, I foresee Apple running in to a ****-storm of hate and discontent.

you think its a bed of roses for them if they do nothing...?

 

[iStudentUK]

no, that isn't what i mean.

good, tell me what you mean then or give me an example..

What's the magic word?

Use great sites like project gutenberg for old books, borrow from friend's libraries, some places do free one-day promotions, go to the library and take photos of each page of a book.

Ok, one of those was a joke, but there are ways to get cheap/free ebooks without the dreaded DRM.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

So now Apple is denying people the right to view legimiately purchased books as a way to deter jailbreaking (despite its legal status?) Apple should be sued now with a class-action lawsuit.

This crap is going way too far. It's all the more reason to get the Kindle app and buy from Amazon instead. Apple slowly slitting their own throats. There are already a lot of companies that want to ditch iTunes as soon as they find it fiscally reasonable for everything from music to movies. These companies don't like Apple at all and I don't blame them when I read articles like this. Apple is trying to control every facet of your hardware experience these days and it's a real put-off, IMO. Sorry, but I like the ability to run XBMC on my Apple TV units and Apple can go take a running leap the moment they try to prevent me from running it. They refuse to add the features we the users want and then like some bizarre killjoy try to stop others from offering it for them. There's a real solution in the long run and it's to simply stop buying Apple hardware whenever possible. It's the only message companies seem to understand these days.

I'm sure the fanboys think Apple can watch you while you use the bathroom if you leave your iPhone on the counter, but I'm really thinking this country needs far more regulation and consumer rights organizations, not less. Corporations have proven that greed will drive them to no bounds of evil.

 

[Vizin]

you think its a bed of roses for them if they do nothing...?

They haven't been very successful at stopping jailbreaking so far, and I'd say profits are doing pretty well.

 

[BaldiMac]

So now Apple is denying people the right to view legimiately purchased books as a way to deter jailbreaking (despite its legal status?) Apple should be sued now with a class-action lawsuit.

Go for it. Put your money where your mouth is. Sue them bastards!

In reality, Apple isn't denying anyone anything. As suggested in the screenshot, restoring your iOS installation to an authorized state will re-enable access to the iBooks app.

 

[zenio]

Surely the propensity and opportunity to pirate is much greater on a JB device?

CD burners also have legitimate uses, JB arguably doesn't.
QUOTE]

Totally wrong. Jailbreaking does have legitimate uses. I'll name only one, since it is my primary reason for jailbreaking - iBlacklist.

Bottom line, there ARE legitimate uses for jailbreaking. This is merely one.

I agree completely.

The reason I enjoy jail breaking, is it makes the phone more useful, like my Android phones.

I'd like nothing better than a great iPhone that I would NOT have to jailbreak. One that would be useful inside and outside of my personal Mac systems.

My favorite new MBP & Mac Pro being locked into iTunes because of a stock iPhone just doesn't cut it. Therefore I'm forced into just two choices. Live locked down or jailbreak for freedom.

Poor SJ, he just can't help himself. He thinks he knows what's best for everyone. The man is delusional.

 

[Pigumon]

Boils down to this?

You jailbreak your iphone for legitimate reasons say, to remove the lock screen or to change the clock display.

Now your iBooks don't work.

Only options- unjailbreak, or start pirating.

Good one Apple.

 

[slattery69]

i dont think apple want to stop jailbreaking for them its a cake and eat it situation. they get the money of the network for the exclusivity agreement and the handset and from the jailbreakers they get the money for the handset they cant lose.
plus they get loads of great ideas and a test group from the jailbreak community, the app store cut and paste multitaskin all done first by the jail break community and test for apple

 

[LordJohnWhorfin]

So theft is OK when you don't agree with the providor's pricing? Interesting...

You're so full of yourself. FACT is that the first liar here is AT&T, which lied about the service it provided by calling it "unlimited" when they actually cap it to 5GB and then charge you overage fees.
Now, if you get a new contract, you can pay $25 for 2GB of data. You're telling me that AT&T should have the right to dictate HOW I use that data and charge me extra just because I want to route it to a different terminal?
I can understand the need to prevent tethering in the context of a really unlimited plan, to prevent abuse. But when you cap like they do, charging extra for tethering is just double-dipping. Where I'm from, we call that theft. Just because they're a big company with big lawyers and they can churn out thousands of pages of legalese in small print doesn't make it any different.
And people like you who defend them are either complete idiots, or sellouts. Which are you?

 

[firewood]

iPhone and iPad have been given chains and locks to it's filesystem. You see, there is really no fundamental difference in the two systems other than iOS being dummied down to run on a smaller version of a computer (Hence iPhone).

There's a big difference. iOS has a much larger installed base of much less computer literate customers than does Mac OS X. The last thing Apple needs is for their devices to make them an even bigger target for the type of malware that can empty Aunt Martha's checking account, as well as run up her phone bill relaying spam, when she clicks on some link about knitting.

Email on the internet backbone is already over 90% spam. How would you like your cell phone bill to go up 10X to pay for all your nearby cell towers to carry that much more data traffic?

Lack of vaccination requires a certain critical mass before a disease can become an epidemic health problem. Apple is trying to keep those vaccination avoiders below that percentage threshold. The medical bills from an epidemic are far worse.