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If Apple is Ordered to Unlock iPhone for FBI, Some Engineers Might Refuse to Help
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Well it's hard when you gotta catch em all. He wants to be the very best; that no one ever was. To catch them is his real test, to squash them is his cause.
Those employees are acting like cowards. The reason the government wants this piece of software is to investigate a terrorist shooting where 14 innocent civilians were murdered in cold blood, not to snoop on every iPhone on the planet. Good grief, if any situation compels access, it's this one. What if it was your mother or father or brother or sister or wife that was killed in the attack? Just let the killers and their comrades get away with it because, well, keeping my cat videos private is more important.
NOBODY is asking for EVERY iPhone to have a back door, plain and simple, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or has no clue of the scope of the legal requests here. Apple has the technology and the security to comply with this request, and they should. Let the FBI investigate into this one phone, per the court order. Yes, there may be more requests for access to different phones in future law enforcement investigations, how could one not think there would not be? But each of those would have to go through the same legal safeguards of a warrant and court order before anyone could access those individual phones.
A Farce Stopping a Farce? How would that work exactly?
See Post #63. Congress already passed a law prohibiting the government from doing what the FBI is trying to do. Signed by Clinton on 10/25/1994, and went into effect on 1/1/1995.
This has been in effect for the past 22 years.
BL.
President Obama has murdered four Americans with drones, one was 16-year-old Abdulrahman al-Awlaki. So not only has Obama murdered more civlians with drones than Osama had murdered civilians with planes (technically making Obama a worse terrorist than Osama, at least in civilian kill count), Obama murdered an American teenager with drones, to boot. Obama’s a serial killer.
Well it looks like IF they are forced to comply - then a few things could happen from what I gather.
Apple and their engineers will comply.
Apple will refuse and face legal action and potentially deep fines.
Apple will agree but engineers will quit, forcing Apple to face fines/legal action
Or some other scenarios.
Not sure I see a true winning scenario here for Apple... (if their hand is forced)
If the court rules in Apple's favor - clearly it's a win.
Apple and their engineers will comply.
Apple will refuse and face legal action and potentially deep fines.
Apple will agree but engineers will quit, forcing Apple to face fines/legal action
Or some other scenarios.
Not sure I see a true winning scenario here for Apple... (if their hand is forced)
If the court rules in Apple's favor - clearly it's a win.
What the hell are you even talking about?
bin Laden sent 6 - 8 of his guys over here, hijacked 4 planes, and murdered some 3000 people combined on the planes and on the ground, and you're saying that Obama murdered more than bin Laden?
Not only is this completely incorrect, but completely irrelevant to this thread.
Like I said before, Obama doing anything about it is a non-issue, because Clinton did it all for us 22 years ago.
BL.
That would make sense, but I expect the FBI to go fully mental and try to detain these engineers.
No and here is why, they didn't have the kind of money Apple does. The FBI was not smart about how it went about this. Rather than waiting until a phone from a smaller company (say HTC for example) with similar features we needed to be unlocked, they decided to go up against Apple. Why would this have made a difference? HTC most likely would not have had enough money to fight the FBI as far as Apple can, unless Apple and other companies decided to back them and to be honest, they might have as it is a pivotal case in legal terms. And unless the other companies did back them, the FBI would have had an almost automatic win with very little publicity and legal precedent would have been set and they could have forced Apple to comply already.
Instead they are going after Apple, which they knew would have major publicity AND they also knew Apple had enough money to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary. What they were hoping was that the public would be on their side and not Apple's, which was a major misstep for them. So in the end, legal precedent will be set, I just hope it is in Apple's favor, as anything else spells doom for privacy matters.
They would be arrested for contempt of court at bare minimum, but I don't think they would stay in jail long, as I would imagine Apple's legal team would be at their disposal.
I've thought of something in this vein. "Ooops, we tried... but it um, wiped the phone. iCloud back up? Please, we changed the name, but it's still mobile me.... eating your data like pac man eats power pellets. That's gone too. Is there more coffee?"
1. There're are other methods to extract the data the FBI refuses because this is about a precedent, not a case. 2. there is no valuable data. 3. Apple is protecting the very concept of security against all governments, with USA as the test case because they can compel. Apple can of course, dissolve as a corporation in response.
Technically, that is a grammar error and not a spelling error. People in glass houses....
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Cowards? No, they are brave. A coward would bend over and pray for vaseline when the FBI screws them. It's not about 1 phone. It also sets a precent like welfare.... once you give it, you can't take it back.
Could they be held in contempt for quitting their jobs? This would be a case of the government forcing a person to go to work lol.
So then bottom line is no government should be trusted anyway around the world, yet everyone socially relies on a government to support the growing up.
Politics is the most pathetic invention human had ever created. Period.
Perhaps the next version of IOS will get named "Basking in Bahamas" to indicate where the team is currently residing and working.
Actually, it would. If Apple is a provider of telecommunications equipment (which it is, by manufacturing iPhones/iPads), the CALEA applies, prohibiting the government (FBI) from requiring Apple to rewrite iOS to include a backdoor to get around any encryption on the phone.
BL.
If Apple are short of willing engineers, I would be happy to take on the rôle of fully assisting the FBI single-handedly.
What I lack in experience, I would make up for in enthusiasm. I can't guarantee how long it would take me to create a version of iOS that grants easier access to people's data, but even if it takes me the rest of my life, I’ll do it. Who knows, I may not even succeed, but I’ll try my level best.
I'm sure Apple would be only too happy to pay me a handsome wage for my efforts; I'm just the man they're looking for…
What I lack in experience, I would make up for in enthusiasm. I can't guarantee how long it would take me to create a version of iOS that grants easier access to people's data, but even if it takes me the rest of my life, I’ll do it. Who knows, I may not even succeed, but I’ll try my level best.
I'm sure Apple would be only too happy to pay me a handsome wage for my efforts; I'm just the man they're looking for…