If Apple is Ordered to Unlock iPhone for FBI, Some Engineers Might Refuse to Help

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  1. Tech198, Mar 17, 2016
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    Actually they would care, because they can't gain access to the one phone they kept asking for an disabling all security.That's the main goal. There are other way around this though without being forced... The FBI doesn't know that bit just yet...
     
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    As if Congress was really a functional entity at this point in time....
     
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    #128
    More like preventive action.
     
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    That would be grounds for the government to break up Apple. As much as folks love seeing Apple give the man the finger and defend privacy, if they lose this case and still refuse after exhausting appeals, they are signing Apple's death certificate as a company. That won't happen.
     
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    Apple is rumored to be very close to the Clinton's. As such they're sure to get out of this in a most convenient way. Even the government can't outsmart Hillary.
     
  6. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    What's worse .... working with the FBI and caving in to security u've done all your life with a product with one swift kick up the ***, or quitting your job (basically the same thing as going on strike, except no one comes back)??

    I know i would just quit cold turkey.
     
  7. Ghost31 macrumors 68030

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    Uhhhhhh...

    That's a bit extreme
     
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    Ironic the FBI use the term "Fidelity Bravery Integrity" yeah right as long as it's on their terms and conditions, no matter if it it's illegal under the US Constitution. They could write software which just has a boot screen and says something "Gotcha".
     
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    #134
    This dog and pony show gets better by the day. It's smoke and mirrors on both sides of this story.

    Hussein has spent years slowly ruining everything he touches, as such he's created a permissive unruly environment ripe for knock down drag out fights like this one. By day he instigates, at night he's served popcorn and a beverage while watching the news and laughing at those whose lives he's damaged.

    Such nonsense.
     
  10. rshrugged, Mar 17, 2016
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    If you mean this as an act of avoidance, it's not as simple as that. In addition to the sanctions mentioned earlier in the thread, Apple could face conspiracy charges. Apple Inc (officers) is being forced to compel, not employees.

    If Apple even has the appearance of acting in a *wink,wink,nod,nod* maneuver of avoidance by shuffling employees to different positions and not firing insubordinates, the same could apply.
     
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    Yes the FBI wants to use the backdoor on other phones but they don't get to do that just because they say so. They need a judge to OK it first. So all the other iphones that they want to search will have their own search warrant. This current court order doesn't cover ALL iphones.

    Yes iOS only checks for Apples digital signiture _now_ but you seem to think Apple can't add additional checks to the backdoor so it can only work on one iPhone with a specific ID. If the FBI or hackers try to modify the backdoor for other iPhone IDs, the digital signiture won't be valid anymore.
     
  12. sehix macrumors regular

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    They were sure they were going to win the Clipper Chip issue in the 90's, too.
     
  13. lederermc macrumors 6502

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    Corporations are not people, but they still have free speech rights.
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    I really can't see Apple being forced to destroy their product for the benefit of the FBI. But it it were there should be a $100M fee to do so.
     
  14. QuarterSwede macrumors G3

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    Preach!
     
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    Not really. Obama has committed so many crimes against Americans, and so many atrocious crimes against other countries’ populations. He’s a mass murderer, he’s a terrorist, he’s war criminal, he’s a traitor. If you had committed a fraction of what Obama has, you would be locked away for life.

    Well technically, corporations are people. Not some inanimate object; they’re made-up of people.
     
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    You mind getting specific? What crimes specifically has Obama committed that isn't just a matter of difference in opinion for how the country should be managed and literally just freaking criminal?
     
  17. firewood macrumors 604

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    Thus, YOU end up scr*wed, as these are all the engineers that you need working at Apple to develop the next security update, FOR YOUR iPhone, before it gets hacked with all of next year's newest exploits.

    And they don't need to refuse. Apple has a very good vacation and leave-of-absence policy. The engineers can just take a vacation in the Caribbean for a year or two. Many can afford to do just that. "Hey boss, I'll do that OS anti-security hack when I get back in 2017/18. Or get a nice equal or better paying job at Google/Facebook/LinkedIn/startup/et.al.

    FBI is trying to serve an order on Apple. Not on it's employees (who write the actual code). Loophole.
     
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    If the FBI wins this case and force these citizens to do something against their will, what is next? Forcing everyone to strip dance?
    Oh wait, they already do that at the airport...
     
  20. Tech198 macrumors G5

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    What about this ....

    No employees quit, Apple (as a company) just movies offshore .... Millions would be lost in the U.S, but at least iPhones will stay secure if the FBI got their way....

    Apple says "They agree to the order" but they do not agree behind closed doors....

    I can already see Tim Cook's teeth chattering.
     
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    Only Mitt Romney knows the answer to that question, my friend. :D
     
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    This article by Susan Crawford is a nice explanation perspective. https://backchannel.com/the-law-is-...-apple-rewrite-its-os-9ae60c3bbc7b#.3jppib9xd
    As a Harvard Law Prof she should know her way around applicable law.
     
  23. Larry-K macrumors 68000

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    I think he just cut and pasted that from an article about the Bush administration.
     
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    Would you like foreign or domestic?
     

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