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If Apple is Ordered to Unlock iPhone for FBI, Some Engineers Might Refuse to Help
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but that was before the terrorist trump card. the wedge has gotten a lot bigger since the 90s.
Having been a government contractor - and having written contracts from when I was working for DOD, that isn't the way it works.
The contractor delivers exactly what is in the contract - no more, no less. So whoever writes that contract has to be really, really specific on what the contractor is required to deliver, otherwise it is:
"outside the scope of the contract"
and the contractor is not required to deliver ANYTHING that falls under that rubric. Nor are they required to tell the hiring agency anything more than what is in the contract.
Did I mention that under TPP, any court ruling in the US (to include Supreme Court rulings) can be thrown out if it costs corporations money to comply? Apple can argue that complying with the ruling that it would cost them lost sales as people ditch iPhones for something without back doors.
Or Apple could simply assign 1 software engineer to the project. A great software engineer can develop 100 lines of error free code per day.
How many lines of code are in iOS?
Well I guess some employee's of Apple will be arrested and consider enemies of the USA? Not good for the popularity of a company that show disdain for its own Government Apple needs to compromise because they are not going to win in the long run. Its simple as 1.2.3 . Something needs to give and it ain't gonna be the Government
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A simple App store gifting or promo code from the developer will get that app working on that other person's phone. You don't need a court order or Apple's help. Go for it.
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On what charge? Nixon ended the draft. And the Supreme Court has already held that compelled speech is un-Constitutional. Maybe Obama can restart the draft and pack the Supreme Court with cronies before the end of his term?
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Countries such as China, India, Turkey, South Africa are waiting to do the same, once the US forces Apple to give them a hack code. Real shame the land of the free today has no freedoms or privacy left. In spite of the bill of rights codified in our constitution here we are. The US high court has continuosly undermined state rights and individual rights by misinterpreting the "commerce" clause and "taxing authority" to allow the federal government to do what ever it wants.
Have you even read the arguments as to why "it's just this one time" is a fallacy even if the FBI truly did never ask again. The fact this hack had been created would mean it was able to be reproduced. By people other than Apple. Bad people. You should remember that not every country falls under the jurisdiction of US law, for one thing... Other countries could see that this is possible and implement new laws, which didn't require a court process to force Apple to comply.
The only way to prevent it being reproduced is to a) sign the code with something unique to that device eg serial number or b) prevent it in every other phone through software updates which remove the exploit or c) implement new hardware to remove the exploit.
A) is not a good check because there are very few things unique to a device sold in the millions. It came off a production line in China like thousands of others a day. The only thing that's truly unique is the serial number. The problem with a piece of code checking for a serial number? It can be rewritten to check for any other serial number.
B) may be technically possible but would not help the phones in FBI custody that they also apparently want unlocked (obviously you don't believe they do) nor older devices incapable of running the latest OS. and will everyone upgrade?
C) is clearly impossible as the devices are already out there. You can't add hardware to an iPhone 6 without performing a recall.
You seem to show the same lack of understanding that gave ISIL a platform in the first place.
Great. Time for the US government to stand ground, and arrest all those engineers, and put them into gitmo. Like Snowden, they are traitors.
What now hipsters? Voters? You guys are the supporters of the current administration. There should be accountability on voters that resulted into the situation now.
What now hipsters? Voters? You guys are the supporters of the current administration. There should be accountability on voters that resulted into the situation now.
Sorry mate, I don't agree.
If you really believe in something, it worths fighting for it...
Well.... If the OP meant to use the word "too" but left off the final "o", then it's a spelling error. If the OP doesn't know the difference between "too" and "to" it is, of course, an error of grammar
If Apple is forced, sooner or later Google will be forced, and Microsoft too... It's not about this specific case. It's about the precedent...
Exactly this.
This is a scary scenario. China and Korea with such a piece of software available...
It makes great press ...
Google doesn't have to be forced, they can resist, but Google will just hand it over since they don't do hardware encryption on newer phones.. They were going to, but changed it.
Its not "required" since it's up to the OEM's if they wish to (therefor, its optional), which Apple isn't.
Google doesn't have to be forced, they can resist, but Google will just hand it over since they don't do hardware encryption on newer phones.. They were going to, but changed it.
Its not "required" since it's up to the OEM's if they wish to (therefor, its optional), which Apple isn't.
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Your body immune system is quite sophisticated and amazing at protecting you, but you still get bugs. There is no such thing as perfect software.
There is no way to do this without breaking the encryption on everyone else phone. That is the problem and once done Apple can't guarantee its secrecy and safety....just like how they are unable to keep iPhones secret and data about them secret. Its just not in the cards. sorry. Apple has given up the information they have access to. Secondly China and Russia and others will want similar access once created. So no.
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You have to get hired first.
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If Apple was interested you'd be hired already.
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Thats not in the cards and we all know it.
hehe...
give a Gift card to the FBI, maybe they may drop the case. FBI can always be bribed with money. it's the only thing their good at.
I don't think its going to happen honestly because its an election year. Apple could use their money to run people out of congress. Who knows what other tech companies would do in response...
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Why do people keep bringing up privacy? Its not a winning argument. The only winning argument here is security of everyone else's phones from terrorists, criminals and other hackers. Anonymous just hacked ?Donald Trump today. I wonder who in the FBI is next....
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What was he going to be impeached for? being black while president... tearing down the wall of white privilege...
Have people here read the order? I read some sections and came across thinking that the DOJ believes Apple retains major control of the phone even after sale. I think they forgot that once I buy the phone I don't have to deal with Apple again.
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From techdirt, the DOJ is arguing:
If CALEA only deals with telecommunications carriers why would it mention equipment manufacturers? Not all carriers make their own equipment and not all equipment manufacturers are carriers. I don't give Congress much credit for being smart, but this would seem like a glaring hole.
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From techdirt, the DOJ is arguing:
If CALEA only deals with telecommunications carriers why would it mention equipment manufacturers? Not all carriers make their own equipment and not all equipment manufacturers are carriers. I don't give Congress much credit for being smart, but this would seem like a glaring hole.
Your Race Card® expired in 2010. One thing, would be his illegally spying on over 100,000,000 Americans daily. And from the start of Obama’s presidency, he has continued and expanded Bush’s illegal spying programs worse than what Bush did. Another thing, from the very start of Obama’s presidency, he has been committing treason by intentionally withholding the 28 pages on foreign government(s) involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Not only has he continued to protect 9/11 co-conspirators, he has conspired with those very 9/11 co-conspirators in arming terrorists in Syria to attempt an overthrow of the legitimate Syrian government (a government that has not attacked the U.S. or even threatened to). That is treason x2. Something else, Obama has continued and expanded by at least 10x the extrajudicial mass murder drone program, that has killed over 90% civilians, thousands of civilians, and resulted in the murdering of at least four American citizens including an American teenager. Obama deserves to be in ADX Florence for life, with other terrorists and anti-American traitors, for those and many other crimes he also has committed.
I'll say that I think Obama's stance on prosecuting whistleblowers is absolutely disgusting as well as the raids on pot dispensaries going up, but everything else sounds like some crap Rush Limbaugh would say with a vein popping out of his head. I think he's agreed to do some terrible things that aren't good for the country, but to say he's the worst president ever and should be impeached? Meh. He's a cog in a big machine. And he's not even the worst of it. If anything, I'd view him as a scapegoat to distract us from the real bad guys
there is quite a bit of BS from both parties flying around, and I would hate to see young devs give up promising careers over it.
Though yeah, sometimes you need to fight for what you really believe
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I never said Obama was the worst POTUS ever. The past 45 years, G.W. Bush is the worst, with Obama close second and getting to the point that it is almost too close to call. I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh, and I never have. The illegal NSA spying crimes is easy to find voluminous public information on, likewise with the drone mass murder program. Read the Stanford & NYU study ‘Living Under Drones’ and read the full series ‘The Drone Papers’ at The Intercept. As for the 28 pages, that is slightly more difficult, but you could read what I said detailed better at the bottom of this recent thread OP of mine:
The award for biggest and fakest joke in U.S. politics ever, goes to...
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...st-joke-in-u-s-politics-ever-goes-to.1961265/
I have reposted it here for you, as well. First watch Trump Will Declassify The 28 Pages:
U.S. Relies Heavily on Saudi Money to Support Syrian Rebels
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/w...-on-saudi-money-to-support-syrian-rebels.html
The Saudi efforts were led by the flamboyant Prince Bandar bin Sultan, at the time the intelligence chief, who directed Saudi spies to buy thousands of AK-47s and millions of rounds of ammunition in Eastern Europe for the Syrian rebels. The C.I.A. helped arrange some of the arms purchases for the Saudis, including a large deal in Croatia in 2012.
Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the C.I.A. to begin directly arming and training the rebels from a base in Jordan, amending the Timber Sycamore program to allow lethal assistance. Under the new arrangement, the C.I.A. took the lead in training, while Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency, the General Intelligence Directorate, provided money and weapons, including TOW anti-tank missiles.
(Note: Prince Bandar bin Sultan has been named by former Sen. Bob Graham in his 2004 book Intelligence Matters, as financing 9/11 hijackers while in the U.S., been protected for it by both George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama. Bandar was the Saudi pictured with Bush during Rep Stephen Lynch talking about Saudi duplicity, in Trump Will Declassify The 28 Pages. Obama’s committing TREASON, just like Bush, by withholding the 28 pages to protect 9/11 co-conspirators, and Obama’s committed further TREASON by conspiring with those 9/11 co-conspirators to arm terrorists to attempt overthrow of legitimate foreign government.)
The Saudi efforts were led by the flamboyant Prince Bandar bin Sultan, at the time the intelligence chief, who directed Saudi spies to buy thousands of AK-47s and millions of rounds of ammunition in Eastern Europe for the Syrian rebels. The C.I.A. helped arrange some of the arms purchases for the Saudis, including a large deal in Croatia in 2012.
Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the C.I.A. to begin directly arming and training the rebels from a base in Jordan, amending the Timber Sycamore program to allow lethal assistance. Under the new arrangement, the C.I.A. took the lead in training, while Saudi Arabia’s intelligence agency, the General Intelligence Directorate, provided money and weapons, including TOW anti-tank missiles.
(Note: Prince Bandar bin Sultan has been named by former Sen. Bob Graham in his 2004 book Intelligence Matters, as financing 9/11 hijackers while in the U.S., been protected for it by both George W. Bush and Barack H. Obama. Bandar was the Saudi pictured with Bush during Rep Stephen Lynch talking about Saudi duplicity, in Trump Will Declassify The 28 Pages. Obama’s committing TREASON, just like Bush, by withholding the 28 pages to protect 9/11 co-conspirators, and Obama’s committed further TREASON by conspiring with those 9/11 co-conspirators to arm terrorists to attempt overthrow of legitimate foreign government.)
Treason Against the United States.
http://www.nytimes.com/1861/01/25/news/treason-against-the-united-states.html
“If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere (i.e. Saudi Arabia), and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH.”
“If any person or persons, owing allegiance to the United States of America, shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States, or elsewhere (i.e. Saudi Arabia), and shall be thereof convicted on confession in open Court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH.”
As I said: Obama deserves ADX Florence for life. Terrorist. Anti-American. Traitor.
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