If the 16" sucks SO bad...

[Sanpete]

It also looks dirty, showing smudges. I guess this is all the space grey being less utilitarian than the silver colour.

Yup. Have to really like that color to put up with it.

Why are you using dongles? Peripherals you don't own and can't put proper cables on? Those are a bother.

People often get to like the big trackpad.

The bugs sound like ones reported by others here and there. I like to stay at least one OS version behind (actually using High Sierra right now, which is more a matter of laziness), but when you buy a new one, you don't get a choice.

 

[Whackman]

And with 10.15.2 that problem seems to be fixed for almost everyone. I noticed it when trying out these new speakers and the display out with some YouTube-ing the first day I had it. The moment I updated to 10.15.2, it was gone. Outside of testing things out though, I never really do this, or at least very rarely when watching like a DIY project video or an occasional video review, so like you, this isn't a big deal.

Updated but it did nothing for the popping sound, for anyone wondering.

 

[Glenny2lappies]

I like to stay at least one OS version behind (actually using High Sierra right now, which is more a matter of laziness), but when you buy a new one, you don't get a choice.

Alas the 16" forces that miserable Cortana^H^H^H Catalina on you. Definitely one of the worst versions of OSX ever released.

With hindsight, waiting for a few months before jumping to a new machine would be best practice. Unfortunately, in my case my old machine just didn't have enough RAM nor SSD space and it's a work machine. So have to put up with the pain.

Hoping to resolve the iTunes library problems over this Festimus break. Thinking I may need to change the location on the old machine and copy it over. That Music application sucks even more than iTunes.

 

[vemac575]

A post complaining about complainers. So much irony here.

In all seriousness, there are going to be defective units out there, or uses cases the 16" might not be well suited for, or shortcomings compared to the competition, and I think it's fair to alert potential buyers regarding what issues can arise. But there are also a vocal minority of people that seem to spend all their time looking for issues, and obsessing over / complaining about the tiniest things, while in reality the majority of 16" users are perfectly happy with it.

Well, you can't simply take the complainer back.
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Some whine about the logo below the screen, some whine about whining about the logo below the screen. Should I start a new thread whining about that?

Yes.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Nothing worse than someone who complains about something over and over but does nothing about it.

Yup, these people are the worst. They are the same kind of people who complain about something that's free.

The redesigned 16" MacBook Pro has been a long time coming and it finally does the MacBook Pro name justice.

 

[nilk]

I haven't been active in the forums in while, came here to see if other people are having trouble with the 16" like I am (my dev tools all run 50% or more *slower* than my 2012 running Mojave, which maybe because of Catalina, still figuring it out). The OP posted a completely useless post that doesn't help anyone. No surprise that they have only been on these forums since July of this year (or maybe had to create a new account for some reason?). Please don't post useless posts like this.

If you're having problems with a new machine, such as the 16" MBP, please post about that, that's what I'm coming here for.

 

[Glenny2lappies]

Yup, these people are the worst. They are the same kind of people who complain about something that's free.

Nothing's ever free

 

[CrazyForCashews]

Nothing's ever free

People who say something like this are usually the ones who complain haha

 

[mvsr]

For $2500+ people rightfully expect perfection - no popping, no ghosting, SSD grinding noises, keyboard issues, etc..

About a decade ago, I bought a Macbook Pro that whined at a high pitch when not under load - on a long-lost account here I posted about it and got the chorus of cult members telling me I was imagining it/whining/etc. because Apple wasn't acknowledging it. Apple's executive services team had to intervene with the local store to get me a return but eventually Apple did acknowledge the problem.

Apple is coasting on inertia and all our memories of the annoyances of Windows and the way we're tied into the iOS ecosystem - nickel and dime garbage like pushing you behind the scenes into storing everything on iOS on iCloud but only offering a pittance of free storage, for example.

Will I continue to buy Apple products? Yes, overall it's still a better experience for me than Windows/Android/etc.. but I have no illusions about Apple's attitude toward consumers and products.

 

[Ploki]

christ, can you leave people to complain when they have bad experience?

 

[revmacian]

I can understand making others aware of an issue, but don't stay there. When you're walking along a sidewalk and your foot falls into a hole in the sidewalk.. do you just stay there? Of course not, you do what you need to do to get back up and continue your journey. Make a mental note to avoid that hole in the sidewalk in the future. Problems are not destinations.. they're just holes in the sidewalk of life.

 

[ThisBougieLife]

1. Complaining about complaining has become just as annoying, if not more so, than complaining about a product.
2. It's true that some people are actually whining about non-issues and betraying unreasonable expectations, but others are pointing out legitimate problems and searching for solutions. People come to these forums to post about problems. Yes, some people have the wrong attitude about them, but I don't suspect that most people here who voice complaints about their devices spend thousands on a laptop just so they can personally annoy you about it. This forum will never solely consist of threads praising devices. People with problems are more likely to speak out. People who have nothing but praise to voice use their computers contentedly and don't post here. I'm not sure why people who can't stand to read any criticism of a product would come to a discussion forum where people talk about such problems. Perhaps a caveat at the top of the forum is needed: "Warning: You may encounter something other than praise in this forum".
3. Noticing a problem with your computer does not mean you "hate" it. Criticism and hatred are different things. I have numerous problems with my home-built Windows PC but I don't hate it (some of which I was able to fix because I complained about those problems online and sought solutions. I did not do so with a nasty attitude, but they were still complaints). People don't try and find solutions to the problems they're having with a computer because they think it "sucks so bad". The only situation in which I would agree with a negative assessment of such criticism would be a person who has not purchased the device, has no intention of doing so, and is only here to knock it and compare it unfavorably to a device they do like. That is trolling. A person posting about a coil whine issue is not.

And furthermore: why does any of this affect you? Are you unable to enjoy something unless everyone else likes it to the same extent you do? If someone doesn't like a movie you like, does that ruin for you? Is it so distressing to know that other people out there have noticed problems with their computer and are speaking about them online? Why?

It is, frankly, childish, to interpret any criticism of something as hatred. It reminds me of a kid saying "well if you love it so much, why don't you marry it?" except in the negative. Why this is cheered as adult logic, I'll never know.

 

[dmstasinos]

1) Don't buy it

or

2) Exchange it

or

3) Return it

and

4) Quit bitchin' about it and move on.

I've never seen so much whining here, which is pathetic considering this is the strongest update to the MBP Apple has released in 4.5 years, and at the strongest value proposition in that same time frame. If you have real issues, which are bound to affect some units, that sucks and you should exchange until you're happy or vote with your wallet and just return it and move on. But the constant whining for days and days and days and pages and pages and pages is really old hat.

You hate it, we get it. Go back to your 2012 then and take a seat. Nothing worse than someone who complains about something over and over but does nothing about it.

If you love Apple’s latest products…

1) Go buy them all

and

2) Enjoy them

and

3) Don’t ever bitch about anything

I would prefer to love these products as they are. I did actually loved some of them in the past. Do you know why i loved them? They just worked. No audio pops, no faulty keyboards, no constant crashes, better upgradability, longer life span, better quality control and overall better technical support in their own forum. These things all existed not so long ago.

Nothing is perfect in the PC - MAC world though. Issues always exist. But remember that Apple made that glorious comeback because pros realised that MacOS was a much more effective and hassle free platform to work with. That was before iPhone. The average time that every single reported bug was resolved back then was a couple of weeks.

Don’t forget that those “pros” still exist. And they have nowhere else to go. I have nowhere else to go. So when my life gets harder because a single unresolved bug doesn’t let me to deliver my work, then all i have to do is create some noise around it. Can you blame me?

Forums like this are not supposed to work like digital worship temples. If whining bothers you then try to understand that nobody has a natural tendency to buy a product and then start whining all over the internet to prove a point about Apple. You are buying a product either to enjoy it or make your living using it. If it works like “all previous units” did, then the last thing you will want to do is whine.

It would take just a couple of “silly” moves from Apple for me to stop whining.

1) Stop messing with things that work like a charm by making stupid experiments to improve the freaking look and make paper thin laptops which no one asked for.

2) Test it. You have to test it before selling it. I could do this for free. Play some video files, open Safari and surf for a while, open Final Cut to see if everything works. I do this every time i am buying a new machine. How hard is this? I don’t pay a fortune to act like a beta tester.

If Apple kept doing these basic things before selling anything i could join the cult with no second thoughts. Give me a bloody Apple T-Shirt and i will start dancing around.

And last but not least. All these whiners that you are talking about are the only reason that these products sometimes get better.

Do you want people to stop whining? Ok, enjoy your 3000$ pop corn machine because Apple would never bother to fix it without negative feedback. Even that 10.15.2 semi fix would never exist without people whining in the forums.

Do you want these products to get even worse? Give some love to Apple! Just don't expect any sign of that love to come back to you through their products.

 

[1196403]

I think it’s important to consider that if forums didn’t exist, maybe many issues such as popping and ghosting would go unnoticed. I mean, when I go on online dates I don’t even think about popping and ghosting. But now because of these forums, I was sitting across a MBP (really good whine too actually), and I started to feel the need to complain during the date. To find flaws. I realized this could be due to frequenting forums. Perhaps if there wasn’t so much money spent and so many expectations, we wouldn’t need whine? We just may be flawed as a species at this point, not needing to hunt for our food etc. resorting to popping and ghosting. It’s a shame, really.

 

[dogslobber]

I've never seen so much whining here, which is pathetic considering this ...

Why are you on here whining then?

 

[Sanpete]

The average time that every single reported bug was resolved back then was a couple of weeks.

This glorious period of Apple's past must have occurred when I took a nap.

Overheated rhetoric and extreme views on both sides of this, which is a lot of what people on both sides react to. Expressing dislike of certain features or bugs is part of what the forum is for; it can be a useful thing. Turning it into an opera about the fall of Apple or the need to deprogram those who worship it is another matter, not so helpful.

 

[dmstasinos]

This glorious period of Apple's past must have occurred when I took a nap.

Overheated rhetoric and extreme views on both sides of this, which is a lot of what people on both sides react to.

Actually i must have slept too when both sides emerged. Lovers and haters. I don’t either love or hate Apple by the way. When their products are consistent i actually love them.

Where you are seeing haters and lovers i am seeing satisfied and dissatisfied customers. And this is where you have to start thinking where all this rage from dissatisfied customers is coming from. Is it pure paranoia or just some logical expectations regarding a very expensive tool? I know your answer to this don’t bother.

I can definitely understand your point of view though. Ιt’s cooler than mine for sure and i am ok with this. It’s always safe and cool to stay in the middle of “obsessed rhetoricians” and just coach them, isn’t it?

I can understand why exaggerated behaviour is all you can see here. If we where talking about iPhones i could stand in the same point with you and consider that yelling man who found a scratch on his screen as a paranoid.

But considering that these are everyday work tools for a growing number of people this is not the case here. Without knowing you i would guess that either you don’t depend on these machines for your everyday work or you are an extremely calm, tolerant and forgiving person (which i would of course admire if this is the case).

Being forgiving to people is great. Being forgiving to companies like Apple, not so much.

 

[sracer]

1) Don't buy it

or

2) Exchange it

or

3) Return it

and

4) Quit bitchin' about it and move on.

I've never seen so much whining here, which is pathetic considering this is the strongest update to the MBP Apple has released in 4.5 years, and at the strongest value proposition in that same time frame. If you have real issues, which are bound to affect some units, that sucks and you should exchange until you're happy or vote with your wallet and just return it and move on. But the constant whining for days and days and days and pages and pages and pages is really old hat.

You hate it, we get it. Go back to your 2012 then and take a seat. Nothing worse than someone who complains about something over and over but does nothing about it.

Why does it bother you that people are complaining about the 16" MBP? Do you find it difficult to avoid threads titled, "16" MBP is a dog!!"?

 

[Sanpete]

I know your answer to this don’t bother.

You seem to know all sorts of things way beyond what I said or implied, which didn't include anything about love or hate, or forgiveness, which isn't something that would be high on my list of concerns about a computer maker. Mind reading is best left to psychics, for entertainment purposes only.

You're overreacting. Those who want to coach others shouldn't take it badly when they get some back. Stick to facts about the issues with the computer, and you'll be doing something useful.

 

[cardfan]

Glad I avoided this. But Apple lost me on this at Catalina.

 

[smirking]

Responsible feedback is good...

That level of noise is meaningless...

Apple doesn’t need to read these forums to learn what the problems are— they have actual repair records...

If I were allowed to write a plugin for the MacRumors forums, I'd write one that would show this message in place of all the freak out echo chamber comments.

The Internet is a fine place to vent. I'm sure everyone does it from time to time and probably a lot of us aren't actually burning half as hot as our words might seem. Venting to relieve frustration is healthy, but the problem with what happens in forums is that the venting becomes the whole point of venting and that's where a lot of us become trolls by accident.

So yeah, don't let anyone stop you from venting once in a while, but do try to have the self awareness to know when you're becoming a caricature of some confirmation seeking bozo who's no longer seeking actual information.

 

[1196403]

To be fair though, for a trillion dollar company to hire people who replace the reply button on iOS mail with the delete button is some serious mockery

 

[49erRedGold]

christ, can you leave people to complain when they have bad experience?

That's not the point. The same person complains over and over laying it on thick as if nobody heard them the first, second, third time and so on. It gets tiring because they're so overdramatic about it. I think their motive is to purposely drown out anyone saying something positive or having a positive experience with their Mac.
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I think it’s important to consider that if forums didn’t exist, maybe many issues such as popping and ghosting would go unnoticed.

So you're saying a person needs a forum to uncover a problem? According to you people can't figure something out for themselves. Forums also create problems that didn't really exist. Case in point this COMMAND Q crap that requires the user to go through several steps of pressing COMMAND Q to re-create the problem.
Often forums are very toxic and I have seen many people lie in order to give Apple a bad name. When the iPhone 6 Plus came out people said it bent easily. I've had my iPhone 6 Plus for 6 years now and not a single bend. What's worse is the liars that claimed all they had to do is sit the iPhone 6 Plus on the table and it bent by itself. Stupid! Just Stupid! How is anyone supposed to take a forum seriously when people lie?

 

[49erRedGold]

Actually i must have slept too when both sides emerged. Lovers and haters. I don’t either love or hate Apple

Being forgiving to people is great. Being forgiving to companies like Apple, not so much.

I don't think a single person on any forum has ever stated "I forgive Apple for their blunders". And by the way, Apple is made up of people. Humans. Homo sapiens. Every human makes blunders. You seem to think of Apple as only a company. Have you ever made mistakes on your job or the business you're in and hoped that people understood you as a human and not a company?

 

[Passingby]

I don't think a single person on any forum has ever stated "I forgive Apple for their blunders". And by the way, Apple is made up of people. Humans. Homo sapiens. Every human makes blunders.

No, that's not a good argument for not fixing these problems for 18 months and giving 'no comment' when asked about it. You don't give corporations, politicians or scammers that 'Oh they are only humans they make mistakes' excuse.

These 'humans', it's literally their job to deeply test their products before they make people pay for them.