good god. just give us the option to put it in for those who want it. this bitch fit that's going on here is comical
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If the next MBP doesnt have i5, Blu Ray & ATI say goodbye to highend consumers Apple!
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Can we all say it together now?
CTO!
But then again that is just my opinion yours might be different i just don't see any logic in your reasoning but i guess we are just all different
If you're missing the logic of "widespread industry support", or "lack of high speed broadband infrastructure" in the majority of neighborhoods, or the easiest piece of logic to consume: "cheaper prices at better quality", then clearly something has passed you by within the last 12 pages of this thread.
If you're missing the logic of "widespread industry support", or "lack of high speed broadband infrastructure" in the majority of neighborhoods, or the easiest piece of logic to consume: "cheaper prices at better quality", then clearly something has passed you by within the last 12 pages of this thread.
im not quite in the mood for a flame war so to keep it simple i did not read all 12 pages of this thread and I wont pay for something that I wont use.
i am just stating my opinion i am not trying to convince to change yours
So you're saying you're not going to get a Mac then ? Seeing how Macs usually just throw everything in and price accordingly, vs PC offerings which tend to offer more of a barebones experience and let you build up from there at lower base price points.
Fairly recently being late '08, octoberish to be precise. That pretty awesome combo is now over a year old. Yeah, GPU technology sure hasn't become better in that time.
Though I'll agree we are probably not getting ATI in the new Macbooks. The nVidia Optimus deal sounds like something Apple would do :
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Nvidia_Unveils_Optimus_Graphics_Technology/551-109244-581.html
Seeing how nVidia announced this product this week, it might have something to do with the delay in the MBP refresh. Don't expect this on the 13" or lower end 15".
By the way, one of my first and still favourite Blu-ray discs is a Japanese documentary about an artist who has worked on numerous Studio Ghibli films. ('Jiburi no Eshokunin - Oga Kazuo Ten - Totoro no Mori o Kaita Hito' ("A Ghibli Artisan - Kazuo Oga Exhibition - The Man Who Painted Totoro's Forest") (2007) (A documentary to commemorate an exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary Art, Tokyo, featuring the work of Studio Ghibli background artist Kazuo Oga))
It's really great in High Definition, and if all I had to rely on was the blockbuster popcorn turnstile of iTunes' ultra-controlled national stores there is no way I could have legitimately bought a copy of it here in the UK.
I find it weird that so often the people who are against Blu-ray for everyone are the same kind of people who will argue how lame DRM and other restrictive practices of the studios and distributors are. Yes, Blu-ray suffers from the same bone-headed irrational paranoia that treats its willingly paying customers as potential criminals (ditto iTunes movie downloads), but at least as a film fan you can still import rare or niche titles that might never ever get a release in your country because of the nonsense way distribution deals are geographically divided and controlled.
All us Blu-ray fans want is the option for an industry standard part with official Apple support in our expensive computers... I don't particularly want to buy a Mac Pro with 3 extra video cards I won't use, but you know I'm actually pleased for people who can do that if they want to. Just stop with all the crazy schadenfreude desire anti-BD people!
It's really great in High Definition, and if all I had to rely on was the blockbuster popcorn turnstile of iTunes' ultra-controlled national stores there is no way I could have legitimately bought a copy of it here in the UK.
I find it weird that so often the people who are against Blu-ray for everyone are the same kind of people who will argue how lame DRM and other restrictive practices of the studios and distributors are. Yes, Blu-ray suffers from the same bone-headed irrational paranoia that treats its willingly paying customers as potential criminals (ditto iTunes movie downloads), but at least as a film fan you can still import rare or niche titles that might never ever get a release in your country because of the nonsense way distribution deals are geographically divided and controlled.
All us Blu-ray fans want is the option for an industry standard part with official Apple support in our expensive computers... I don't particularly want to buy a Mac Pro with 3 extra video cards I won't use, but you know I'm actually pleased for people who can do that if they want to. Just stop with all the crazy schadenfreude desire anti-BD people!
Yea, the iTunes is so nazi controlled in terms of country segregation. You would think that in a digitally distributed medium, that international boundaries should have been broken down by now, but alas, they haven't.
I saw you immediately as a Miyazaki fan when I saw your icon (he is from a Miyazaki film, right?). I'm a huge fan of his work, though I don't import my blu-rays. However, I am looking forward to Miyazaki's first offering in Pony next month.
I just hope this is a beginning of his films on blu. I can only imagine how gorgeous they look in HD.But seriously, agreed on your last point. People come in here and just complain how they don't need it, but I don't understand how one could complain if it were only an option? Why attack something you won't need to use or pay for, if you don't want it? Absolutely puzzling I tell you.
I don't keep score with the other computer vendors, but does this make Apple the last one to catch up with blu-ray? What a wake up call. There's gotta be a reason why everyone else loves to jump on this "bag of hurt".
I consider myself one of the super high end enthusiast market. I just see no reason to have it in my laptop. Go to the AVSForum or the HomeTheaterForum where the high end video crowd hangs out. No one there is complaining about lack of blu-ray in laptops.
Digital Downloads will take over sooner or later. Imagine a future where NetFlix instant streaming has thousands of films in its library in full blu-ray quality. With my fiber connection, it's already possible for me and it's only a matter of time before the rest of the country catches up. The convenience of deciding what to watch without planning ahead or leaving the house is incredible.
Steve Jobs believes in digital downloads so much that there is almost zero chance Apple will support blu-ray, so this discussion is really pointless.
Are there people for which blu-ray in a MBP makes sense? Maybe, but that demographic is so small that it makes no sense for Apple to cater to them. A recent poll showed that 68% of people won't buy the iPad because it doesn't have flash and Jobs doesn't care. Good luck getting him to budge over blu-ray.
Its kinda idiotic to want high resolution video and then want to watch it on a small screen. If you care about quality then you watch your movies with the proper setup, not on a laptop.
Still haven't figured out what all the fuss is about. No one's stopping you from buying that $800 Windows laptop... go buy one now and be happy with it.
You want a Mac and you want BD? Might as well start digging your grave first, cause there's a possibility you'll be dead before it happens.
I do wonder why no one has made a BD player that is a swap though, for a SuperDrive. Since its easy enough to even get rid of the DVD and put a 2nd hard drive in it. If there was such a great demand like you say, someone would have done it already.
What a petty thing to say.
720p is much better than DVD, even on a MacBook Air display.It's about personal choice.
You're not too informed, are you? I already watch Blu-rays on my Macs.
It's funny you should be commenting on what is a proper screen without understanding what it is you're talking about.
The physical dimension of the screen has nothing to do with its resolution.
Some bigger screens have awful resolution and some smaller screens have very stunningly high resolution.
You're not too informed, are you? I already watch Blu-rays on my Macs.
There's nothing that will fit in a unibody... I'd rather keep the unibody and skip BD. I understand its frustrating for some but no amount of screaming is going to get Apple to come out with BD as standard issue it seems. And one of your machines isn't even a Mac. Its just a PC hacked to run OSX.
I still can't see it - why watch on a computer screen, when you can watch on a big screen? It just does not compute.
Oh I do get resolution, but the proper way to do this if quality is your goal is to have a full home theater setup, no true videophile is going to be watching movies on a laptop. Display size, resolution, color calibration, room setting, viewing distance, sound characteristics of the room, etc all factor in... there's NO way a laptop can provide anything close to a proper setup.
That's fine if you that's what you want. But to assert that it's "idiotic" to watch HD movies on a laptop is simply rhetoric disguised as your personal opinion.
You're right, but that has no relevance to your previous post. We won't see Blu-ray support from Apple until the Studios lighten up their licensing terms.
And one of your machines isn't even a Mac. Its just a PC hacked to run OSX.
It's not one, but two. They fit well with what I need. Plus, since we're networked, those Blu-ray movies can be served up or sync'd to our iMac, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, MacBook, MacBook Air and even our Apple TV.
I do both - 13" up to 10 foot.
That's because you lack the ability to see what others may need, yet you have no reluctance to try to impose your way on others.
Oh I do get resolution, but the proper way to do this if quality is your goal is to have a full home theater setup, no true videophile is going to be watching movies on a laptop. Display size, resolution, color calibration, room setting, viewing distance, sound characteristics of the room, etc all factor in... there's NO way a laptop can provide anything close to a proper setup.
No, but if it can play the same movie you playback on your videophile setup, that means you've just saved 15$.
As funny as it might sound, sometimes I do use my Macbook to watch DVDs. I'd love to be able to watch some of my Blu-rays on it too.
There's a difference between need and want. Wanting BD vs. needing BD on a laptop... the way the original poster framed it to us is that without BD, the world has ended ie. no one will buy another Apple.
If you're already compromising your viewing experience by using a laptop to begin with, then is it such a horrible thing to have "just" DVD quality on it? Yes it isn't perfect, but if one wants to make the argument for perfection, then watch BDs with the proper setup to begin with, not on a laptop, will provide that.
Nice to have BD, but not must have, that I can certainly live with. Its all the people making this sound like its the end of the world that has me all confuzzled. If one wants to argue about $800 Windows laptops like the OP does, then just go buy it already. Windows 7 is not bad at all, actually its really really good!
The reason people make it sound like so is that about all other OEMs are now offering BD on their laptops. If Apple doesn't, it just means they are behind the curve in terms of their offer.
As technophiles, we love to have the latest and greatest. As Apple users, we don't want to have to go back to Linux or even... *shudder*... Microsoft to get it.
There is nothing wrong with voicing opinions on the forum. Apple might or might not read the posts on here, but you have a choice of not clicking the conversation if it doesn't interest you. Coming on here and saying things like "it's idiotic to watch movies on a laptop" is what is idiotic. I can't drag around my home theater system like I can my laptop. Not to mention with Displayport and a digital Optical audio out, the macbook is a great portable movie player.
I agree, and having the BD option is certainly nice, and yes Apple seems behind the curve here. There's other crazy things Apple does - why a card reader that reads ONLY SD and not other formats?
Bear in mind, I was responding to the OP who started it with calling others that first. It was a directed response, but if you ask me personally, I wouldn't recommend a laptop for watching movies... wrong device. Just like how you can use a screwdriver as a chisel if you really want to, or a chainsaw when you need a scalpel... it just seems stupid to do so, except in certain circumstances.
And in that case, you can always use DVDs, yes its not perfect, but if one accepts that viewing on a laptop is not optimal to begin with, you're only compromising a compromise... I just don't see why the big fuss. And if you want a portable movie player, chances are you aren't hooking up to a perfect home theater setup (which would have a BD player anyway already).
In this case, we have an alternative, DVD, which isn't as good as BD, but its not like DVDs with upscaling is horrible viewing either.
I would like HDMI output though - not so much for movie output, just for easy hookup as most external displays now have HDMI inputs. I'm not holding my breath though - a MiniDisplayport to HDMI adapter will have to suffice.
And what's the point of topics like this to begin with (look at the OP's choice of a title)? We all have our wishlist but if Apple isn't doing it we have 2 choices... stick to Apple and live with the compromises, or buy something else. The practical side in me says if you want BD, then just go buy a PC laptop.
I already use DVDs. The problem is I don't buy DVDs anymore, I buy Blu-ray discs now. Apple is late in this game, other OEMs aren't. "A bag of hurt" is a poor excuse, there's exactly 1 organisation from which they must acquire a license. They already have the software in DVD Player.
The fact is, either we get BD this refresh (in MBPs and MPs) or they truly are pushing their crap iTunes HD content onto us, and I'm sorry, I'm not paying the same price for a download that's restricted through DRM when I can get a physical disc that will play on any player.
Yes, you are right....I love buying multiple versions of the same movie..../sarcasm
What. A. Hard. Concept.
Well I guess one can still hope but given what we're seeing with the iPad... its not looking good I'm afraid. I could argue till I'm blue that Flash should be on the iPad but it won't happen... then again, I'd rather Apple made a netbook Mac anyhow... and that too isn't happening. If the Mac gets to be too restrictive into a model I can't live with, it will just have to be back to Windows.