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iPhone 5 "S"ame:mad: Huge disappointment. I have ZERO interest to upgrade from my iPhone 5. This launch has Tim Cook brand all over it: Risk adversity, lack of innovation, short minded,…..

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Please look at the "upgrade" from S3-->S4, and tell me who's the one lacking innovation.
 
The iPhone 5S brings three new features:

  1. 64-bit A7 processor
  2. Multi-color flash
  3. Real biometric security

All three of these points are a first in the cellphone industry. How is this not innovative? Sure we'd all like to see more memory and a larger screen as an option or as a permanent feature, but those would certainly not be innovative features.

Well said. A breakthrough product doesn't occur every year.
 
I'm just saying when samsung announced the S4 with the quad and octo core processors lots of people on this forum mentioned that "Android users" were throwing around specs.

I can't speak for the actions of others, but the Galaxy S4 specs impressed me enough to buy one. The hardware was great, but the laggy implementation of software and instability of both the OS and the apps convinced me to sell it after three weeks and switch to an iPhone. Specs are meaningless without good software. Apple consistently performs in this area. I can't even remember the last time I had to reboot my iPhone. My last three Android phones had to be rebooted multiple times per day.
 
I'm merely stating a point of view that is generally not discussed or gets lost in all the whining.

People are free to post whatever they want. I merely decided to start a thread which explains some other ways of looking at it instead of responding in said threads - generally those responses get lost or completely mis-quoted.

Point noted and I think your point of view is valuable, but some apple consumers do want a larger screen. I have used both and I prefer a larger screen because I use my phone to watch videos. I wish they would make two sizes to suit more of peoples preferences.

I switched to iphone because of the apps and IOS though, so I am really looking forward to the new IOS. I loved my Android OS but receiving an update could take months or never happened at all, which drove me to IOS.
 
I'm just saying when samsung announced the S4 with the quad and octo core processors lots of people on this forum mentioned that "Android users" were throwing around specs.

But because its the iPhone its some type of sacred lamb and should be treated differently. I use both android and iOS so i don't have exclusive loyalty to either platform.

But the double standards that occur on this board are laughable.

There's a difference though in a quad/octa core processor and speed increase and the FIRST 64-bit mobile chip and speed increase.

Really the initial speed increase is superfluous. Its more about what the chip means for the future of app development.

For the record, I thought and think the GS3 > GS4 was a nice update as well. I own a GS4 (it's my daily driver) and find it to be a great phone. If only Samsung/Google could write some software that ignores my accidental palm touches, I wouldn't be so excited to be getting an iPhone again.

What I'm trying to do with this thread is get people to recognize, no OS/phone is perfect. And the industry is slowing down. The updates we've seen this year have all been nice, but nothing revolutionary. You could pick and choose different features that have been big - like the HTC One's boomsound speakers, the GS4's big.little processor (which we don't have in the US btw) and now the 5S's 64-bit processor/dual LED flash/fingerprint sensor. But ultimately, Smartphones are in REFINEMENT mode.

There are things in all smartphones that need to get better. For a little bit of transparency and balance, here are some things I actively WANT Apple to add in the next iPhone/iOS release:

-Keyboard options
-Multiple email attachment ability
-a larger screen option
-Better speakers (dual stereo)

There are many improvements that can be made to the iPhone/iOS and I'd be happy with them, but don't really care one way or the other. As it is, the only one of the four above that really affects my day-to-day use is the attachments thing.

Ultimately, its about what works best for you. If Apple's offerings don't jive with your needs, why complain. Just move on to one of a boatload of options Android offers. At this point, its plenty polished to offer a great experience to anyone wanting to get away from Apple's closed philosophy.
 
I know this is common place - I hope all those who are crying about being disappointed realize they are part of a group who complains each year about the iPhone release - and in doing so, look like a fool.

Let me explain a little something about the iPhone and Apple.

Apple, is first and foremost, an expert in REFINEMENT, not INNOVATION. The main goal each year for Apple is to release a smartphone with features that WORK as close to 100% of the time as is possible in tech, and are USEFUL.

There is a great distinction to be made here. USEFUL over GIMMICK.

Now the word GIMMICK gets thrown around a lot when talking about Samsung or the fingerprint sensor, and really I think it's overused. BUT, when describing features that are cool and "futuristic" but aren't very reliable or terribly useful, I think the word GIMMICK makes sense.

Apple is not in the business of releasing GIMMICKS. Now, many who are upset, are upset because they want a bigger screen. And instead of rationally voicing this desire, they kick and whine about how Apple is doomed.

A few things about the larger screen.

(1) It's nice. I like it as a whole on my GS4.
(2) It's not all roses and unicorns - a larger screen SHOULD have software to adjust for accidental palm touches. The GS4 doesn't (nor does the HTC One) and in both instances, using the phone one-handed is a pain. Mind you, I can fit my hand around the phone just fine.....but when reaching across, my palm ALWAYS touches the edge and negates any taps my finger makes.
(3) Apple WILL release a larger screened iPhone. See #2 as a possible reason why they haven't yet.

If you look at what Apple presented in the 5S - improved camera, 64-bit processor, fingerprint sensor - they gave iPhone owners 2 things that are EXTREMELY USEFUL. The camera features mentioned look to make taking photos on the iPhone easier than ever and all the software and hardware that went into it will produce better pictures across the board. This being a main use of a smartphone for ME (and I assume, for many), I'm extremely excited to be able to take BETTER pictures in pretty much ANY situation. And I know people mock the fingerprint sensor as a GIMMICK - but (1) it works flawlessly from initial hands-ons and (2) I unlock my iPhone and enter my appleID password dozens of times a day. Being able to simply tap the home button instead of typing AND having the simple tap be more secure than the password (remember, your fingerprint will be stored on the A7 itself and NEVER backed up and NEVER synced to Apple's servers), I find this HUGELY convenient and USEFUL.

As for the 64-bit processor - it's hilarious that many of you who are berating Apple for "more of the same", consistently praise other Android OEMs for forward thinking features like Smart Stay.

The 64-bit processor is coming to mobile. It would've been whether Apple released it or not, and with this release they are actually AHEAD of the game....

Yet, people ask "What's the point?", and say "the iPhone was already fast enough."

The implications of moving smartphones to a 64-bit architecture are actually quite substantial. MORE graphics intensive games, more power applications. And Apple happens to do this FIRST, yet gets even MORE hate for it.

Anyways - hopefully this was somewhat informative. The 5S is actually a great upgrade in my opinion. I look forward to picking mine up on the 20th.

FACT of the matter is.... when my 2 year contract on my iPhone 3GS ended and the 4S came out, I was blown away by how much things have improved or 'refined'...much much MUCH better build quality, much much better screen, dual core processor, dual core graphics, noise cancelling mic, incredible camera thats MILES ahead of the 3GS', Siri, facetime camera...the list goes on...
now, from the 4S to the 5S...not nearly so much...
I will get LTE (which is cool), a neat flash system (meh), finger print sensor (meh) and a better camera (though not mindblowingly better...), and a slightly bigger screen (meh)...

When my 3GS contract ended I RUSHED to sign up for another one for the 4S....now, I'm even contemplating going month to month for a year...
 
You are here a whole year and telling people to get out? Wow. :confused:




Mike

My tenure here makes little difference. Obviously, I don't have any power to make people leave, but the post was clearly an effort at doing something frowned upon by the forum rules.....

I have ZERO patience for those types of posts. I welcome ANY well-reasoned responses however and prefer those posts to not be drowned out by nonsense like that.
 
I'm still using my Galaxy Nexus. I love the large vibrant screen, but was considering jumping over to the iPhone 5 for it's compatibility with most car stereo systems (good luck finding a decent android-friendly stereo). I am still grandfathered into my unlimited plan with verizon, and would like the Pandora functionality and iTunes with the stereo.

Longtime Apple fanboi as well, having owned many desktop and laptop macs. No complaints there.

My disappointment stems from the pitiful 16GB memory in the "low end" 5s. Really? They couldn't have bumped the entry level one up to 32 gigs? It wouldn't be so bad if they'd accept SDs. I just don't get it, Apple and RAM are ridiculously expensive.
 
Sounds a lot like Whining about whiners?;)

From my point of view, there is little worse as a consumer than someone telling you that your opinion about an item your interested in purchasing is not important. If this release was a disappointment to some then so be it, and isn't a forum an excellent place to share it?

Complaining about something without providing a solution or a workable plan to improve the subject is just diarrhea coming out of the bellyacher's mouth. It's self serving.
 
Point noted and I think your point of view is valuable, but some apple consumers do want a larger screen. I have used both and I prefer a larger screen because I use my phone to watch videos. I wish they would make two sizes to suit more of peoples preferences.

I switched to iphone because of the apps and IOS though, so I am really looking forward to the new IOS. I loved my Android OS but receiving an update could take months or never happened at all, which drove me to IOS.

See above.

Perhaps my desire for a larger screen isn't as fervent as some and so I can put up with the lack of that option. But if a larger screen is a key factor in one's smartphone purchasing decision, I wonder again - why not simply get an Android?

As I stated in my OP, I do think larger screens are coming to the iPhone, but I also think Apple will wait until they can get reliable accidental palm detection software into iOS.....one of the reasons I love my iPhone is the one handed use. I can hold my GS4 one-handed just fine, but in using it, my palm regularly touches the display negating any taps I try to initiate. It requires holding it a certain way or using it two-handed.

At this point, I actually prefer the 4" display until such software can be perfected and implemented.
 
Fact is ..... No matter how innovate or revolutionary a company thinks they are, eventually you'll have to give in to consumer demands or another company will fill that void.

Apple has been walking a fine line with this and getting away with it only cause they have a loyal base and trustworthy brand. The tight rope is slowly thinning as companies like Samsung are throwing everything the consumer wants at them, and doing a damn good job at it.

The 5S is expected to be a subtle change, but if the iPhone 6 is only mediocre next year, then the reign of the iPhone is in very big trouble. And IMO, it's going to take more than just an upgrade in screen size to stay on top as the iPhone 6 will be competing against the likes of the S5, Note 4, and etc.

As far as iOS vs Android goes. Both are rock solid on latest model iPhones and Android phones.
 
FACT of the matter is.... when my 2 year contract on my iPhone 3GS ended and the 4S came out, I was blown away by how much things have improved or 'refined'...much much MUCH better build quality, much much better screen, dual core processor, dual core graphics, noise cancelling mic, incredible camera thats MILES ahead of the 3GS', Siri, facetime camera...the list goes on...
now, from the 4S to the 5S...not nearly so much...
I will get LTE (which is cool), a neat flash system (meh), finger print sensor (meh) and a better camera (though not mindblowingly better...), and a slightly bigger screen (meh)...

When my 3GS contract ended I RUSHED to sign up for another one for the 4S....now, I'm even contemplating going month to month for a year...

I respectfully disagree. You of course, aren't wrong in your preferences and opinions.

But, I sold my 5 (running iOS 7) in preparation of the 5S release and have since been using a 4S, and I can tell you I can't WAIT to get the 5S.....

Its funny how much I really dislike the 4S and iOS 6 after being on the 4" screen and iOS 7.....I see the 4S > 5S as a MASSIVE improvement.

But again, just my opinion. I think if you end up going with the 5S, you'll end up loving it and realizing how much better than the 4S it really is - just my $0.02.
 
Fact is ..... No matter how innovate or revolutionary a company thinks they are, eventually you'll have to give in to consumer demands or another company will fill that void.

Apple has been walking a fine line with this and getting away with it only cause they have a loyal base and trustworthy brand. The tight rope is slowly thinning as companies like Samsung are throwing everything the consumer wants at them, and doing a damn good job at it.

The 5S is expected to be a subtle change, but if the iPhone 6 is only mediocre next year, then the reign of the iPhone is in very big trouble. And IMO, it's going to take more than just an upgrade in screen size to stay on top as the iPhone 6 will be competing against the likes of the S5, Note 4, and etc.

As far as iOS vs Android goes. Both are rock solid on latest model iPhones and Android phones.

I agree with you, though I think the idea that Apple's reign is in trouble has been prevalent for the last 2 years and it still hasn't happened.

Give Android credit. At some point, it all comes down to what philosophy you prefer as both OSes offer a great experience. There isn't really much Apple can do about that, except trust their philosophy.
 
...But if a larger screen is a key factor in one's smartphone purchasing decision, I wonder again - why not simply get an Android?
Oh, I think that's happening. No worries there. All indicators are that people are doing just that.
 
That is well and good, but how many are LIMITED to 16G without the option of adding more?

I'm sure there are plenty - I switched from 16 GB to 32 GB last year when I realized I was storing more and had more apps. I'll use a 32 GB this year, and if I get to next year with a full phone, I'll upgrade to 64 GB then.

It's all about thinking what you use your phone for and put on it. I worked at Best Buy and that was one of the top questions asked "Well which storage option should I go with". I proceeded to ask questions about use case and made my suggestion. 9 times out of 10 on the iPhone, 16 GB was sufficient.

On an iPad however, I almost ALWAYS recommended at least 32 GB.

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Oh, I think that's happening. No worries there. All indicators are that people are doing just that.

So then my next question would be....

If you've happily move to Android, why are you still b****ing and moaning about Apple and the iPhone?

I'd also argue the number of people switching from an iPhone to an Android phone is not as large as people think.....
 
I'm sure there are plenty - I switched from 16 GB to 32 GB last year when I realized I was storing more and had more apps. I'll use a 32 GB this year, and if I get to next year with a full phone, I'll upgrade to 64 GB then.

It's all about thinking what you use your phone for and put on it. I worked at Best Buy and that was one of the top questions asked "Well which storage option should I go with". I proceeded to ask questions about use case and made my suggestion. 9 times out of 10 on the iPhone, 16 GB was sufficient.

On an iPad however, I almost ALWAYS recommended at least 32 GB.

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So then my next question would be....

If you've happily move to Android, why are you still b****ing and moaning about Apple and the iPhone?

I'd also argue the number of people switching from an iPhone to an Android phone is not as large as people think.....

Actually your last statement is correct according to a recent study (macrumors reported it last month or so); there are actually more people switching from android to iPhone.
 
I do think that Apple is coasting a bit with the 5s, and hopefully they'll get some new designers or someone who realises that - still hoping that they'll step up their game in a few months or next year with the 6.

That said, I think they made good choices with the 5C. With the bright colours and plastic it will appeal to the lower end of the market (and lots of parents with teenagers!) and it will boost their profit margins. Not necessarily what people on here want to hear, but still a good tactic for the company and their shareholders.
 
So then my next question would be....

If you've happily move to Android, why are you still b****ing and moaning about Apple and the iPhone?

I'd also argue the number of people switching from an iPhone to an Android phone is not as large as people think.....
I never said I was moving to Android at all. I also never b****ed or moaned. So you have attributed things to my statement that are not, in fact present. Now who "looks like a fool"?

We own 6 iPhones, 4 iPads, 2 Apple TVs and two Macbook Pros. I am not leaving the Apple ecosystem. I'm also not, however, blind to market trends and those trends support my earlier assertion.

I want success for Apple. It does not benefit me as an iPhone owner if more people leave the platform than join it.
 
My tenure here makes little difference. Obviously, I don't have any power to make people leave, but the post was clearly an effort at doing something frowned upon by the forum rules.....

I have ZERO patience for those types of posts. I welcome ANY well-reasoned responses however and prefer those posts to not be drowned out by nonsense like that.

What's your carrier? What is causing these accidental touches?
 
I never said I was moving to Android at all. I also never b****ed or moaned. So you have attributed things to my statement that are not, in fact present. Now who "looks like a fool"?

We own 6 iPhones, 4 iPads, 2 Apple TVs and two Macbook Pros. I am not leaving the Apple ecosystem. I'm also not, however, blind to market trends and those trends support my earlier assertion.

I want success for Apple. It does not benefit me as an iPhone owner if more people leave the platform than join it.

That was a general "you've" not directed specifically at you.

I was merely asking that question about the people who have switched, yet still flood these forums with Apple hate.

My apologies, I should've made sure to differentiate.
 
Agree OP. The complaining on here is out of control. Apple is damned if they do and damned if the don't.

For heavens sake if your unhappy LEAVE and don't come back.

If Apple released a 8 core "snapdragon" processor people would complain its not 12 cores.

Every year people the same people complain and they are going to be the first ones in line though picking the new iphone 5s up at the stores!
 
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