iFixit Shares Full 16-Inch MacBook Pro Teardown

[teknikal90]

Got an audible laugh out of this one, thanks.

you're easy to please!

 

[CHA05 R31GN5]

Correct. But why would anybody want a shop to put a used battery in their phone?

Doesn't have to be used. Same problem with a new battery. They were giving you that as an example to prove the dispute that you'd rather not acknowledge is a user restricted component which requires replacement in the future. Not if, but will.

 

[code-m]

Reducing demand for stolen parts is a good thing. And you might think those batteries from China stamped with an Apple logo are genuine, but how do you know that? How does anyone know which one of the 20 factories who are stamping Apple logos on their batteries are the genuine Apple part?

Third party repair shops can buy batteries from China, that’s awesome. Just don’t try to trick the consumer into thinking it’s a genuine Apple battery.

There are video's available on YouTube that demonstrates how to confirm an Apple genuine battery. Apple manufacturers they authentic batteries in China, lets not play this game that Apple is not overcharging for this part, its not like they don't overcharge an absurd amount for dongles or anything right.

 

[thevault]

It’s exactly what I said. If you don’t want or need MacOS, you can buy a PC instead. They’re cheaper. Always have been.

If you want to run Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro, you will certainly need MacOS. A lot of applications software is available for Mac and Windows, choose your hardware platform as appropriate.

Broken Zombie record..........

One can understand why Hackintosh is popular.......... but again there's people who will never comprehend.

 

[jlocker]

Because the average consumer is going to have both the desire and the knowledge to disassemble a $3,000 computer ????

That was a rhetorical question. The answer is clearly no.
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Nothing prevents you from doing that on this or any other MacBook. Come up with a better scenario.
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Apple can repair or replace any part, and when they do, you can rest assured that the old parts will be recycled.

On the other hand, when Joe Redneck replaces the battery in his Dell, the old battery will end up in the trash can.

A good can of compressed air does wonders for dust in side the smallest of entry points that is why it has a long tube.

 

[PickUrPoison]

There are video's available on YouTube that demonstrates how to confirm an Apple genuine battery. Apple manufacturers they authentic batteries in China, lets not play this game that Apple is not overcharging for this part, its not like they don't overcharge absurd amount for dongles or anything right.

The MacBook Pro 16”, like any other product, upgrade or adapter, is priced by Apple at what the market will bear—that’s how capitalism works. The government doesn’t tell Apple how much profit they can make, nor do you. Customers make that choice. If Apple overcharges, customers won’t buy. If it’s expensive but customers still buy it—maybe not you but that’s not relevant—then it is not overpriced for the market. It might be too expensive for you, but again that’s not actually relevant.

Guess what: Apple gets to charge whatever they want. You are not entitled to cheap genuine Apple batteries stolen from the back door of the factory by the pallet load when Apple’s not looking.

 

[0x0x0x0]

Because the average consumer is going to have both the desire and the knowledge to disassemble a $3,000 computer ????

That was a rhetorical question. The answer is clearly no.

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Well, Lenovo seems to think that you might want to do that with a GBP5000+ laptop... Not only that, but they (a) let you do it, and (b) provide a hardware maintenance manual (publically available from their official site) on how to do it step by step...

 

[snej]

You do realise that Final Cut and Logic Pro were only created after many iterations of OS X so as to lure pros to the MacOS platform, and way more viable alternatives existed before?.. And my point was that Pros chose Apple because they had leading hardware, and now haven't!

Final Cut was acquired in 1998 from Macromedia, Emagic (they made Logic for Windows and Mac since the late 90s) was bought in 2002. These are applications to make the platform relevant, but both are older than OS X.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Broken Zombie record..........

One can understand why Hackintosh is popular.......... but again there's people who will never comprehend.

I don’t have any problem understanding that when people want expensive things, some people won’t want to pay for them. They’ll steal instead, because they feel entitled to have what they want without paying the seller’s price.

They justify their theft by saying to themselves, but stealing is ok because “Apple’s too expensive” or “Macs are overpriced” or “Apple won’t make me the ideal upgradable machine I feel entitled to”.

 

[citysnaps]

You obviously haven't seen the new direction the Mac Pro is heading in. Everything socketed, upgradeable, repairable.

And yeah, shouldn't have anything to do with "Pro". I want this regardless if buying myself a MBP, or my son a MBA.

You obviously didn't notice I was speaking with respect to laptops.

 

[koruki]

I can't wait til we invent a new innovative fastening system where people can just use a tool that turns it and releases it. I'm not sure what to call it yet but it would really screw with Apple's profits from soldering detachable hardware together.

 

[0x0x0x0]

Apple needs to EMPHASIZE the "Pro" nomenclature if they're going to continue to solder critical components to the logic board and make it more RELIABLE and LESS LIKELY TO NEED repair...

So how many recalls and out-of-warranty replacement programs have Apple had so far?..

So it is reliability, cost, and size against your ability to upgrade "forever." Only you can't upgrade forever because the chipset from Intel only addresses 64GB of RAM and you might want 128GB in 5 years. The SSD caps out "not fast enough" and the new standard coming next year will allow something no one ever considered. Then the Core i10 will have a different pinout and the next generation of Video cards will PCI Plaid Express. Finally, Lithium Air Batteries will happen and cause us all to rethink that aspect of Laptops just as AMD releases the first Quantum computer processor and throws EVERYTHING we know into the waste bin.

The only problem with that argument is that the CPU that Apple are using supports 128GB addressible RAM *now,* yet Apple charge GBP500 more for 64GB than it would cost me to buy 2x32GB 2666V SoDIMMs retail, and offer no 128GB option...

If you are into hot-rodding your computers, any Laptop is a terrible place to start. Are those Yogas really any better? They look like there might be some thermal limitations to them.

Are you seriously comparing MBP with a Yoga??? I'll give you an example, my X250 that I use for coding/writing came with 802.11ac card, I upgraded it to an 802.11ax card, replaced HDD with SSD, and stuck 16GB RAM stick into it, and guess what, it works and lives on absolutely fine. Now try prolonging life of any of the post 2012 Apple gear!

 

[jlocker]

What happens when Apple care Run’s out?

Well i really do not care because I have already used over half of the life of the machine so now i just keep it going and replace it with a faster, better screen, more memory, more storage, better WiFi and other new technology that this one does not have. It dies it dies, everything dies at some point, TV, washing machines, dish washers, microwave ovens. In 6 years We will be at OS 10.20 do you even think 16in MacBook Pro will be even reliant at that time. We will be on a Intel generation 16 with like 64 cores on the processor and a AMD video at 3 nanometers with 32gigs of DDR9

 

[cult hero]

While I hate that I cannot repair the machines, I do like that virtually every issue I have seems to result in a new battery, lol. Sticky keys? Good-bye nicks, scratches, and old battery. Seems ridiculous.

 

[code-m]

Apple gives away the OS and years of free updates as long as you buy Apple hardware. The software is built into the price of the Mac. If you’re not buying a Mac, you’re not paying for the software.

Apple has chosen not to provide MacOS for sale separately, and I think you’d agree that you’re not entitled to that.

macOS is not free, the price is incorporated in the hardware price, Microsoft has taken a similar route with its hardware offering. Desktop OSes have been matured for a while and mobile OSes still have a way to go, the annual updates that macOS offers only a minor set of features depend on certain hardware limitations. I don't believe anyone will argue that DarkMode on macOS requires an i5 8th Gen intel chip. Most features and functions are redesigns and still runs on older hardware.

I am sure there are many willing to pay for macOS to install on their own hardware that Apple does not offer and it has been done with hackintosh, except it is not legal due to Apples EULA. Apple knows that if it did license macOS it would have to price its hardware competitively and offer updates frequently in order to survive, however since it won't do it, they basically monopolize it by overcharging and providing less frequent updates with outdated or a generation or more behind at a premium.

Good question as to why macOS is not for sale, because Apple would actually have to compete on many levels which they do not want to while being anti-competitive. One can install Windows, Linux, Android on any supported processor. One cannot install macOS or iOS on any hardware, gee I wonder why? Is it because Apple is being anti-competitive and a monopoly, hmm.

 

[The Clark]

Thanks Tim Cook. You told me that three years ago.

Not everyone wants to buy a new laptop every 3 years nor spend $400 for $125 worth of RAM.

Buy a PC then and enjoy mediocrity.

 

[PickUrPoison]

You do realise that Final Cut and Logic Pro were only created after many iterations of OS X so as to lure pros to the MacOS platform, and way more viable alternatives existed before?.. And my point was that Pros chose Apple because they had leading hardware, and now haven't!

Plenty of pros and non-pros are perfectly happy to buy upwards of 20 million Macs every year. Whether they have the best hardware or the fifth best (in your opinion).

Those who like this MBP 16” despite iFixit’s repair rating of “1” will buy it. Others will buy something else. I really don’t understand why that’s so hard to deal with.

 

[The Clark]

I don’t have any problem understanding that when people want expensive things, some people won’t want to pay for them. They’ll steak instead, because they feel entitled to have what they want without paying the seller’s price.

They justify their theft by saying to themselves, but stealing is ok because “Apple’s too expensive” or “Macs are overpriced” or “Apple won’t make me the ideal upgradable machine I feel entitled to”.

Nailed it.

 

[0x0x0x0]

Plenty of pros and non-pros are perfectly happy to buy upwards of 20 million Macs every year. Whether they have the best hardware or the fifth best (in your opinion).

Those who like this MBP 16” despite iFixit’s repair rating of “1” will buy it. Others will buy something else. I really don’t understand why that’s so hard to deal with.

You're absoulutely correct---there's plenty of fools with more money than sense, and plenty more people to help those fools rid them of those money... As a pro, I waited for this announcement to replace my MBP 17", after the announcement, I got P73...

 

[The Clark]

Broken Zombie record..........

One can understand why Hackintosh is popular.......... but again there's people who will never comprehend.

Except hackintosh's are terrible. The whole point of buying a Mac is so that you can enjoy the benefit of software that is optimized for the hardware on which it runs and all of that goes out the windows when you attempt to run MacOS on non-Apple hardware. It's not tempting, it's not popular and it's also illegal.
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You're absoulutely correct---there's plenty of fools with more money than sense, and plenty more people to help those fools rid them of those money... As a pro, I waited for this announcement to replace my MBP 17", after the announcement, I got P73...

Yet here you are, wasting your valuable time arguing with those who prefer the Mac experience.. real "professionals" understand that time is money.. stop wasting your money.

 

[code-m]

Broken Zombie record..........

One can understand why Hackintosh is popular.......... but again there's people who will never comprehend.

What sticks me as odd is that these same people will chime in and say competition is good, while fail to see Apple is being anti-competitive. I wonder how long it will take Apple to update the 16" MBP with a 10th Gen Intel chip. There used to be a time when Steve Jobs was alive and had a contract with Intel to receive chips in advance and would release hardware a week before the official Intel announcement or any other manufacturer. People now just accept months if not year old Intel chips and GPU at premium prices and try to convince that it is a great deal or it takes Apple months to test and refine, while other manufacturers had products related months in advance.

Then the quality of hardware comes in to question, I admit that Apple does have an eye for hardware details and I am willing to have a short delay compared to other manufacturers but lets not fool ourselves that Apple is has had quality control flaws and questionable design decisions i.e. butterfly mech KB, etc.

 

[0x0x0x0]

Yet here you are, wasting your valuable time arguing with those who prefer the Mac experience.. real "professionals" understand that time is money.. stop wasting your money.

Every pro needs time to relax and blow steam, so yes, here I am!

 

[mikethemartian]

This stuff get recycled not throw away so no environment argument applies...

Except that recycling also uses energy resources. So if you have to recycle the whole product vs just recycling a smaller component you are still wasting energy resources. Despite the popular terminology there is no “renewable energy” it is just lost to entropy.

 

[The Clark]

Every pro needs time to relax and blow steam, so yes, here I am!

This is relaxing to you? I prefer vacations and time with family but to each their own I guess.

 

[code-m]

Guess what: Apple gets to charge whatever they want. You are not entitled to cheap genuine Apple batteries stolen from the back door of the factory by the pallet load when Apple’s not looking.

Not stolen more like overproduction stock. Manufacturers overproduce to lower costs, Apple gets its genuine part as well as excess is produced from the same line that lands in local stores. Same company producing them to the same spec with the same logo etc. The testing is all done in the same factory before it gets shipped around the globe or stays local. There is no difference, if you want unbranded or cheaper parts that is also available in China. I did not know it costs more than double for Apple to bless a part as it being authentic. Seriously