Apple creates the most durable, long-lasting, aesthetically pleasing products - which all amounts to making repairability irrelevant to 99.99% of people.
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iFixit Shares Full 16-Inch MacBook Pro Teardown
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I see Pro being expandable and customizable and that doesn't mean a lanyard of dongles in order to use USB or add an external display.
I couldn't complain about a full logic board replacement because of RAM, CPU, etc. However, there's a problem when the user can't replace a damn battery, keyboard, etc. Parts which do degrade at an unspecified time that is mostly contingent on use.
A DIY battery replacement is $80-$100 from iFixit and $200 from Apple that includes a complete top case replacement and limited warranty. Guess which one I am going to pick?
As for replacing the keyboard, that is the least of my worries.
The average user isn’t not doing these things, enthusiasts might be, and they are the ones who are complaining loudest about everything Apple does. I used to do these things but I honestly have no desire to keep doing so for the sake of doing so. If the computer works and it works for 3-5 years, then I’m good and I’m moving on to the next system. At the end of 5 years, something (usually the GPU) has changed enough that trying to prolong the life of the older system is no longer worth it. Users boasting of getting 12 years out of system don’t bother me, but don’t ask me to carry their torch, because I am going to tell them to suck it up and buy something newer.
i guess.. if you're a 'pro' at fixing/working on computers
I think these machines are geared towards artists/audio engineers/photographers and videographers and to them they'd want the most reliable portable machines from day 0.
The dongles I admit is a pain. But since the intro in 2016, most new gear has shifted to USB-C and I can't help but think that's out of necessity given Apple's push towards a unifying standard. So I'm hopeful that the pain will be relatively temporary.
It's better than the alternative. Remember when Apple tried to make Firewire 800, ExpressCard and Thunderbolt standards mainstream, only to be whittled down by competing more popular but less capable standards, which ends up just adding even more standards to the mess?
Don't know about the OP, but I've been saying it ever since Apple started the trend. In iPhones and iPads it's more understandable, as they're sort of appliance-like, and carried around everywhere (with iPhones in particular usually unceremoniously shoved into pockets or purses). But MBP's used to come with replaceable RAM, SSDs and batteries, and they still should. Particularly with the "Pro" label.
The ports you can argue, because almost anything can be plugged into USB-C now, but there's no way to add another 16GB of RAM in 3 years. The old deal was "expandability". The new deal is "better guess your needs for the next 5 year correctly, right at the beginning", because if you guess wrong, you'll need to trade in an otherwise good working machine to get that extra memory. It's a bad deal.
And I'll still end up buying a MBP 16 eventually, because they've fixed the keyboard, and because I can't buy a (legit) machine running macOS from anyone else, and because Apple makes the only decent Unix laptops with the ability to run all the commercial software I want. It's still annoying that they've simply dropped expandability as a feature, and replaced it with "hope you guess correctly".
Correct and Apple has never used standard m.2 drives in any MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac mini, iMac or the new Mac Pro. Why do people keep asking for something Apple is not going to give them?
Sorry, but Apple care is not that good. I send my computer to change my Logic board and my backlight for my keys was not working. When I took it back, they forgot to connect a cable...Really...??
If you want somebody really good that truly knows, Louis Rossmann...
A soldered on SSD in a Pro device that costs over 2000$? No, thanks.
That's what I did. Went ThinkPad and it's fantastic.
Would it be so damn difficult to make the battery easier to remove? It's bound to fail sooner than the rest of the machine as it's a consumable. I don't know, use velcro, screws, or weaker glue or something dammit.
Simple take two iPhones, take the battery from each and swap them in each other.
Authentic Apple battery but iOS does not report the part is legit.
What happens when Apple care Run’s out?
That's twice as much as it costs me to get a new internal and external batteries for my Lenovos 🤣
Usually the battery will last for 1000 cycles, depending on use should last 1-3+ years without requiring a replacement. I do agree that there should be an easier method to secure and remove the battery maybe clips similar to holding RAM DIMMs in place. Dunno I believe it is possible it’s just Apple cannot sell it’s AppleCare for which this entire situation becomes a conflict of interest.
I am honestly surprised that the EU has not looked into these practises especially by Apple.
Apple makes these things hard to repair and claims it is due to XYZ reason the cheerleading team on MR will come to Apple’s defense by eating the marketing and product design videos while Apple sells it’s AppleCare service for the very products it designs to make it near impossible for a user to repair and not permitting anyone to obtain authentic parts or locks down the OS to not recognize those authentic parts. This really is anti-competitive and a conflict of interest on Apple’s part. A class-action should help change this behaviour.
Really, where does it get recycled---so far as I know, it gets shipped to somewhere in Africa or around Thailand for it to sit there [1]---there's nothing salvagable in the design!
1. https://www.theguardian.com/global-...c-ewaste-illegal-dumping-developing-countries
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Quit living in a bubble---Pros buy tools that suit them, not twist their needs to suit a particular brand, I have both Apples and Lenovos, and a whole bunch of HPEs and Supermicros---I get what gets the job done, and the thing Apple keeps limiting the "Pro sphere," if you don't look around you're going to be worshipping at a derelict temple alone...
If you don’t need/want MacOS, you can get a PC for cheaper. It’s been that way for decades.
Some people are not comfortable opening an iOS device but are comfortable opening a computer it all depends on their comfort level. Let’s say a one week or one month old iPhone screen shatters and it will cost more to replace or just better to purchase a new iPhone, in cases such as these the old iPhone will be stripped for parts. It is an industry wide practise and is part of the reduce, reuse and recycle ideology. Mobile devices including laptops have about 1000 recharge cycles before it needs to be replaced. At about 80-82% battery degradation a mobile device becomes a hassle meaning more plugging in to charge and less mobility, that is all.
No it hasn't---macs used to be leading edge (hardware wise), now they're lagging behind, by a long mile.
If users havent been complaining and whining then I guess you will be stuck with butterfly keyboard, no escape key, and small arrow keys and perhaps no 16 inch macbook pro
