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iFixit Shares Mac Pro Uncasing and First Impressions
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What’s trollish here? Have you not been to Apple Insider’s forums? It’s Apple-fanatic heaven over there. If someone makes a reasoned critique of Apple, they get treated to hostile ad hominem attacks.
Oh wait; are you saying that anything critical of Apple is the trolling behavior...?
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Envy? Can’t stand Apple’s consistent success? Oh my...
It’s ironic (and dismaying) that Appleinsider, of all places, is increasingly sounding like the voice of reason in this maelstrom of chaos these days.
The track record has been very poor here at Macrumours though. The first instinct when met with any new article here is to spam it with overwhelming negativity. Once in a long while, you have a “broken clock is still right twice a day” scenario but generally, the critics appear to have a very poor track record when it comes to proselytising Apple’s impending demise.
Offhand, I recall there being a lot of criticism directed at the Apple Watch and AirPods when they were announced / launched. Everyone thought the $999 iPhone X wouldn’t sell well. I genuinely thought the Macrumours servers would melt from all the criticism levelled at Apple after Samsung announced their folding phone (and we all know how that would end up).
The iPhone user base continues to grow despite the iPhone being viewed as “overpriced”, yet the focus continues to be on Apple needing to release a cheap iPhone, as though that were the only way of growing.
Somewhere, a sizeable population here actually still thinks Apple missed the boat by not acquiring Netflix. Smart speakers don’t seem to have taken off and displaced the smartphone despite this forum’s cock-sure assertion that it would. Fitbit has been acquired by Google, giving Apple all but free reign of the wearables market.
The members here also seem to have a poor understanding of basic concepts such as “market share vs usage share”, which explains why the iOS App Store is more profitable than the google play store despite the latter’s larger addressable user base.
The list goes on and on, and if I were a betting man, the louder the vitriol aimed at Apple here, the more I can safely wager that Apple is likely doing something right. I just find it comically ironic when people say Apple "needs to" do something like this or it’s "not innovating anymore" but then it turns out the end result isn’t something most people end wanting.
A wise man once said - once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the answer. If these people are not trolls, then the only other explanation would be that they ...?
I guess I will visit this thread from time to time or perhaps daily... it makes me smile and laugh. I am very amazed on how people are reacting to the video 
I have become a fan on different tech companies and and tech products but I can't imagine that some fans will react this way. I understand if its about actors or actresses but I always thought that people who are into tech products are more critical and open minded. But sadly I am wrong. Its a pity how we give up some part of our self respect just because we are a fan.
I have become a fan on different tech companies and and tech products but I can't imagine that some fans will react this way. I understand if its about actors or actresses but I always thought that people who are into tech products are more critical and open minded. But sadly I am wrong. Its a pity how we give up some part of our self respect just because we are a fan.
i dont see anything vaguely political in my dislike for this and the insinuation is obnoxious
The iFixit video was more informative than the stuff we got from iJustine, MKBHD, or Jonathan Morrison, at least when it comes to showing off the insides. We got to see how the top ports and power button look without the case, how the top underside of the case fits the top of the computer, and how to get to the ram.
Yes, the lighting was too dark. Bring out the big lights!
They knew Apple had support documents online but they didn't read the one that explains how to remove the PCIe cards. That was awkward. Hopefully they'll figure it out tomorrow for the real teardown.
Questions:
How much cheese came out the back of the cheese grater Mac, or is it all stuck in the front?
What do the feet look like, so we can see how the wheels attach to them? Are they magnetic like the Apple Pro XDR display's attachment to the stand?
Yes, the lighting was too dark. Bring out the big lights!
They knew Apple had support documents online but they didn't read the one that explains how to remove the PCIe cards. That was awkward. Hopefully they'll figure it out tomorrow for the real teardown.
Questions:
How much cheese came out the back of the cheese grater Mac, or is it all stuck in the front?
What do the feet look like, so we can see how the wheels attach to them? Are they magnetic like the Apple Pro XDR display's attachment to the stand?
The wheels are built into the frame. They do not come off, and they cannot be added to a Mac Pro which does not have wheels attached at the factory; the frames are actually different on the bottom.
^ A triumph of arguing with nothing but logical fallacies (false analogy and strawman) - - it's not easy to craft rhetoric with absolutely no substantive reasoning - - Bravo!
Apple ripping off consumers once again ?
https://wccftech.com/apple-mac-pro-ddr4-ecc-memory-cheapest/
https://wccftech.com/apple-mac-pro-ddr4-ecc-memory-cheapest/
Nice find. I think the life of Picasso is very instructive in this. Cubeism, being the art world equivalent of the naked emperor, nonetheless has merit because people pay ridiculous sums for exemplars. Picasso raked it in for very little effort, without even having to die first. People will find excuses on why Apple chose the cheap memory option, such as:
- Apple tested all the memory brands and found this one to be surprisingly the best
- You aren't paying for the RAM as much as you are paying for support
- There is some secret fairy magic to buying the memory from Apple
Sure they can, but that video sucked both on production quality and content. Not pro...and not fun or entertaining at all.A pro operation can’t have fun? Seriously?
Apple has always sold their upgrades at a premium. You are allowed to purchase your own third party ram to upgrade, I believe, so what’s the issue again?
Many buyers of the MacPro will indeed be paying for the RAM to be pre-installed so that it is covered by AppleCare. Then it's just the one step of telling Apple to fix it and getting the faulty unit back into production as soon as possible. A Mac Pro is going to be a money making tool for studios and media professionals who will just swap in a backup Mac Pro to keep production rolling. If you're the type of Mac user who's quibbling about minor variations in RAM, then the Mac Pro isn't for you.
The issue might be that Apple charges you 5999 for something magical and awesome and when you take a closer look you‘ll eventually find out that they sold you a piece of crap for lots of money.
I can hear Tim Cook laughing „we put in a 256GB SSD combine it with a low end GPU and use cheapest RAM ever and sell it for 5999“
As a counterpoint, I don’t think Apple actually expects anyone to purchase the base Mac Pro model. That said, the case, power supply and motherboard don’t look cheap and will definitely bump up the price some.
Here is an article written by a “pro” on spec recommendations for the Mac Pro. He has been using the Mac Pro to work with raw 8k footage and considering that his workflow was just beyond the capabilities of even a maxed out iMac Pro, I will say he is the target market for such a product.
https://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2019/12/12/mac-pro-configuration-recommendations/
From what I can see, for photography, he ups the ram and graphics but leaves the processor intact. He boosts everything for video editing but opts for just 48gb of ram. For music editing, I imagine you can leave the graphics card as is.
So there are use cases which involve some aspect of the base Mac Pro model.
He also has this to say.
https://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2019/12/10/macpro/
Uninformed clickbait. SnazzyQ is flat-out wrong here, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of how CAS latency relates to overall memory latency. In fact, Apple is using very expensive, and fast, RAM. That’s why CAS latency must be so high—because cycle time is so short.
The -062E speed is the fastest part in that list, not the slowest. Those -062E parts could be run at any of the slower listed clock speeds, with the corresponding CL from the chart he links:
CAS latency is only one factor in the equation. The other is cycle time. You don’t know the true latency until you multiply them, as in this chart (I’ve added the data for the 2933MHz memory Apple uses at the bottom):
Edit: the -062E is actually 3200MHz, the -068 part is 2933MHz. I’m not sure what the Micron part numbers are for what Apple is using; upcoming teardowns will have that. The chart from SnazzyQ’s tweet doesn’t match the 32GB DIMMs of Apple’s upgrade kit that he shows; the chart is for 8GB modules.
Crucial has a good article that discusses this in detail:
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency
It’s not the “cheapest RAM ever”. SnazzyQ is an uninformed blogger. His tweet makes him look like an ignorant fool.
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What is up with this type of fact-based and informative post?!?
You're going to spoil MacRumors reputation as the one-stop source for misinformation!
This article looks like it was written by an AI trained by ingesting screeds written by 5-year-old redditors.
Well, maybe people just have higher expectations of iFixit both in terms of video quality and level of humour and are just a little bit peeved at being "rickrolled" - especially after wasting time on a wild goose chase trying to fix their browser audio.
(NB: the 'cheesegrater' meme has been going since the PowerMac G5 came out in 2003 although, to be fair, the new MP is almost a parody of that design - it is a little odd that the optimum grill design for airflow just happens to look even more like a cheesegrater, or perhaps cartoon "Swiss" cheese)
