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Always hate this marketing line of "Offers the same battery life despite smaller size due to processor improvements" rubbish, in reality I've always found the screen to be by far the biggest drain on the battery, so smaller battery has always = worse battery life regardless of internal efficiency improvements.
 
Seeing the 8, and that ugly design of the X (that notch is horrible), I am convinced that this year is a pass on iPhone. I have no doubt that 2018 will bring true edge to edge, and enough innovation to remove that notch.
 
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The glass back is a full device repair?

Don't drop the IP8, huh
^^^ This.

If iFixIt teardowns teach us anything is to learn the scope of repair of a broken display, or alternatively, a broken back.

In the case of the iP8/8+, if you shatter the glass back, we now know that we might need a new device, as all the critical components -- and I mean all bar the front display -- are anchored to its glass back.

Repairability < 0
 
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To reconcile that discussion: more RAM doesn't mean better, but 6Gb pales 2Gb.
Arrggh, makes you wonder what lunatic at Apple decides to couple a top notch CPU with avge RAM config/specs (LPDDR4 instead of LPDDR4X)
I remember the good ‘ol days of 1GB RAM, with Apple apologists all over the forums insisting that we didn’t need more, that the Safari page reloads had nothing to do with RAM. Then the 6S came out with 2 GB and the Safari page reloads mysteriously vanished.
 
Seeing the 8, and that ugly design of the X (that notch is horrible), I am convinced that this year is a pass on iPhone. I have no doubt that 2018 will bring true edge to edge, and enough innovation to remove that notch.
I don’t see Apple bringing back the top bezel just to satisfy a few dozen notch haters on MacRumors. Of course, they could black it out in software but they chose not to. They might change their mind, but I don’t think that’s likely.

Make no mistake about it, Apple thinks being able to utilize the ear display area is preferable to having bezel there. You disagree, fine. Don’t buy it if you don’t like it, sure. But similar to the headphone jack being removed, most people don’t care—and you’re never going to convince them they should.

You can proclaim it horrible, an abomination, ugly, an eyesore or that it most certainly causes Steve Jobs to go into rotisserie mode in his current place of rest, but most simply aren’t on board with the notch hate campaign. And some actually like, or even love it. (sorry about that last line, unhand those pearls and pick yourself up off the floor—but it’s true.)
 
Snapdragon X16 has Gigabit Class LTE so we have 1 GB chip
Yes, when you're buying a world phone or Sprint/Verizon versions. Once again, Apple is cheaping out and using Intel's substandard modem in GSM ATT/TMO models. Notice that the 6S/6S+/SE all have mostly the same cell phone freq specs regardless of carrier as they all have Qualcomm chips , whilst the 7/8/X all have different models. Because of this, Apple, again, will be neutering the Qualcomm models so they don't outclass the 1/2 speed Intel chip.
 
Yes, when you're buying a world phone or Sprint/Verizon versions. Once again, Apple is cheaping out and using Intel's substandard modem in GSM ATT/TMO models. Notice that the 6S/6S+/SE all have the same cell phone freq specs regardless of carrier, whilst the 7/8/X all have different models. Because of this, Apple, again, will be neutering the Qualcomm models so they don't outclass the 1/2 speed Intel chip.

Let me know when you get even close to 500Mbit Down with your wireless carrier.
 
I remember the good ‘ol days of 1GB RAM, with Apple apologists all over the forums insisting that we didn’t need more, that the Safari page reloads had nothing to do with RAM. Then the 6S came out with 2 GB and the Safari page reloads mysteriously vanished.
Is it really that black and white? Users that kept relatively fewer tabs open or that had lighter content rarely complained; those that had 15 or 35 tabs open and frequented poorly optimized sites that would bring a 16GB desktop to its knees surely had reloading issues.

But you know, I rarely even hear iPhone 6 users complain about Safari tab reloading anymore... maybe Apple tweaked the caching or something. Or it’s less bothersome with today’s faster LTE speeds. Or maybe people have moved on to notch hate or complaining about the 6sss, who knows.
 
^^^ This.

If iFixIt teardowns teach us anything is to learn the scope of repair of a broken display, or alternatively, a broken back.

In the case of the iP8/8+, if you shatter the glass back, we now know that we might need a new device, as all the critical components -- and I mean all bar the front display -- are anchored to its glass back.

Reparability < 0
Nah, just melt that gooey stuff, scrape away the shards, and plop on a new glass cover. When it cools you're on your way. ;)
 
Seeing the 8, and that ugly design of the X (that notch is horrible), I am convinced that this year is a pass on iPhone. I have no doubt that 2018 will bring true edge to edge, and enough innovation to remove that notch.

Disney bunny ears likey stay 4 years

Emphasize face id, like back cam bump
 
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^^^ This.

If iFixIt teardowns teach us anything is to learn the scope of repair of a broken display, or alternatively, a broken back.

In the case of the iP8/8+, if you shatter the glass back, we now know that we might need a new device, as all the critical components -- and I mean all bar the front display -- are anchored to its glass back.

Reparability < 0
There is a metal shield fastened to the glass back so cracking the back should only cause cosmetic problems.
 
Smaller battery than the 7... very interesting. Looking forward to some real world test videos to come out over the weekend to see if they are as good as the 7.
 
Let me know when you get even close to 500Mbit Down with your wireless carrier.
And please let me know when intel modem equipped iPhones perform as well as Qualcomm ones in poor gsm reception areas...

Also not everyone upgrades their iPhone every year so 1gbit lte speeds will be reality soon enough..
 
I know, it's embarrassing.

I did wonder if this is a UK vs USA type of thing, or it is "Just Apple"

For a professional company to use terms like

Genius
Lightning
Bionic
Retina
Firewire

These are the type of names given my people still at school to try and impress your mates in the playground.
Not for multi billion serious company.

Going to see the "Apple Genius" is really cringeworthy. But perhaps that's as I'm from the UK ?
Perhaps that’s because you mistake profesionalism with sticking to boring names and delivering uninspired products.

Very few „professional“ companies have been able to completely transform whole markets multiple times and make other „multi billion serious companies“ follow suit once a new product is brought to market.

I find it very refreshing that a company as big as Apple does not surrender to expectations of people or markets who think that a big company has to stick to boring and uncreative naming conventions.

And last but not least: Apple‘s marketing is considered one of the best in the market for a reason. :)
 
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Seeing the 8, and that ugly design of the X (that notch is horrible), I am convinced that this year is a pass on iPhone. I have no doubt that 2018 will bring true edge to edge, and enough innovation to remove that notch.

theres ZERO chance the notch goes away. The X form factor will be that factor going forward, theres no way they redesign it next year or year after, this X design is sign of what the entire lineup will be next year
 
Because it would be a much bigger pain for people like myself who opt to swap a SIM card from an old device to a new one, and don't want to go through the hassle of activating.

I remember doing this when going from my iPhone 5s to iPhone 6s Plus two years ago and couldn't believe how easy it was. Old SIM worked perfectly in the iPhone 6s.

With an eSIM working, you wouldn't need to 'Swap in' any physical chip in the first place. Just set the phone up with the Carrier's DB. So what is the disadvantage??
 
theres ZERO chance the notch goes away. The X form factor will be that factor going forward, theres no way they redesign it next year or year after, this X design is sign of what the entire lineup will be next year
It's the notch of excellence, Sir Ive's genius, unapologetically cuneiform, and only from Apple. :rolleyes:
 
It's the notch of excellence, Sir Ive's genius, unapologetically cuneiform, and only from Apple. :rolleyes:
Ohh, man. I just can't imagine how much I love the notch already.
Apple did it again - just unbelievably, I didn't know how much I needed it...
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I prefer smarter ram managment than cramming more ram cause you can. Not that i wouldn't mind all the ram i can get though ;)
Except that's just marketing fluff for pennywise, poundfoolish Cookette configuration misery
(of the kind that limits a top of the line "Pro" machine to 8Gb)
 
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Seeing the 8, and that ugly design of the X (that notch is horrible), I am convinced that this year is a pass on iPhone. I have no doubt that 2018 will bring true edge to edge, and enough innovation to remove that notch.
That notch is there to say amigo. For things like this. What are they gonna do, just have a silhouette of a plain rectangle? The notch is the new home button, to easily recognize as iPhone. For better or (more likely) worse.
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There is a metal shield fastened to the glass back so cracking the back should only cause cosmetic problems.

You are correct -- as long as you can live with, and ignore, the shattered glass.
Because, otherwise, good luck on attempting to remove/replace it. Without deforming the backing metal plate:

"The process left the steel plate a bit bent out of shape—we have no idea how Apple plans to do this, but they seem to be keeping the secret squirreled away..."
My guess is that AppleCare+ will just punt and give you a new phone.

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Because it would be a much bigger pain for people like myself who opt to swap a SIM card from an old device to a new one, and don't want to go through the hassle of activating.

I remember doing this when going from my iPhone 5s to iPhone 6s Plus two years ago and couldn't believe how easy it was. Old SIM worked perfectly in the iPhone 6s.

It would actually be much easier for you to switch - very close to switching to another wifi network, if Apple had their way. But the carriers don't like the idea and are pushing back.
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I am wondering why they are not using LPDDR4X ram like the Samsung devices (note 8) instead of the less power efficient and older LPDDR4. Looks like they once again took the cheaper route. At least they are using modern modems (Qualcomm LTE X16) which wasnt known at first.

Update: Once again with Qualcomm MDM9656 Snapdragon X16 LTE Modem that Support Gigabit speed but is disabled by Apple due to the Intel modem in other variants which max peak at 500Mbps.

Perhaps they tested both and found no significant improvements due to other bottlenecks?
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So you are basically saying that iPhone 8 was not ready for release.

He's saying iOS 11 wasn't ready for release, clearly. And that's been the case all too often with iOS.
 
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