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iFixit Teardown Gives First Look at iPhone 8's Guts

roeiz said:
I prefer smarter ram managment than cramming more ram cause you can. Not that i wouldn't mind all the ram i can get though ;)
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RAM is a battery drain, though.
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Jimrod said:
Always hate this marketing line of "Offers the same battery life despite smaller size due to processor improvements" rubbish, in reality I've always found the screen to be by far the biggest drain on the battery, so smaller battery has always = worse battery life regardless of internal efficiency improvements.
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The screen is definitely the biggest drain on the battery but if the processor can knock 5% of the battery drain out, you have already made up the difference here.
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TheShadowKnows! said:
^^^ This.

If iFixIt teardowns teach us anything is to learn the scope of repair of a broken display, or alternatively, a broken back.

In the case of the iP8/8+, if you shatter the glass back, we now know that we might need a new device, as all the critical components -- and I mean all bar the front display -- are anchored to its glass back.

Reparability < 0
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Wouldn't you like to see a drop test on that new "stronger glass" first?
 
Looks like they switched Chinese battery supplier from Amperex Technology Limited to Huapu Technology (Changsu) Inc. Hopefully, it's not cost cutting and the quality is above average with no more shutdown at 30%.
 
Ahh a Qualcomm X16 modem and a WTR5975 RF transceiver
So technically this phone can support T-Mo band 71, but Apple chose not to implement it.
 
PickUrPoison said:
Is it really that black and white? Users that kept relatively fewer tabs open or that had lighter content rarely complained; those that had 15 or 35 tabs open and frequented poorly optimized sites that would bring a 16GB desktop to its knees surely had reloading issues.

But you know, I rarely even hear iPhone 6 users complain about Safari tab reloading anymore... maybe Apple tweaked the caching or something. Or it’s less bothersome with today’s faster LTE speeds. Or maybe people have moved on to notch hate or complaining about the 6sss, who knows.
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Here we go! My iPhone 6 wouldn't even keep 2 tabs in RAM long enough for me to copy text from one tab and paste it into another. When I got the 6S with 2 GB I no longer had that problem. Yes it was the RAM, there are countless videos with side by side demonstrations if you don't believe it.
 
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Neodym said:
And last but not least: Apple‘s marketing is considered one of the best in the market for a reason. :)
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I think it’s the best bar none.
I don’t even work in the technology sector anymore, but I still pay attention to apple’s marketing and product reveals as I still learn things I can apply to my own field.
 
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Piggie said:
I know, it's embarrassing.

I did wonder if this is a UK vs USA type of thing, or it is "Just Apple"

For a professional company to use terms like

Genius
Lightning
Bionic
Retina
Firewire

These are the type of names given my people still at school to try and impress your mates in the playground.
Not for multi billion serious company.

Going to see the "Apple Genius" is really cringeworthy. But perhaps that's as I'm from the UK ?
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I totally agree with you. the term "retina" display is really embarrassing. and also the a10 "fusion". just what the hell is that. I am an apple fan but this is really stupid.
 
Strelok said:
A small place in Finland and some areas in Australia? Cool, let me know when the rest of the world gets it.
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Well, I an dont know about the rest of the world but
Strelok said:
A small place in Finland and some areas in Australia? Cool, let me know when the rest of the world gets it.
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Well I dont know about the world but I am living in a Tampere and thats what happening here:

https://www.thefastmode.com/technol...lisa-brings-first-5g-ready-network-to-tampere
 
Piggie said:
I know, it's embarrassing.

I did wonder if this is a UK vs USA type of thing, or it is "Just Apple"

For a professional company to use terms like

Genius
Lightning
Bionic
Retina
Firewire

These are the type of names given my people still at school to try and impress your mates in the playground.
Not for multi billion serious company.

Going to see the "Apple Genius" is really cringeworthy. But perhaps that's as I'm from the UK ?
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And these are better

  • Android 1.6. Donut.
  • Android 2.1. Eclair.
  • Android 2.2. Froyo.
  • Android 2.3. Gingerbread.
  • Android 3.0. Honeycomb.
  • Android 4.0. Ice Cream Sandwich.
  • Android 4.1. Jelly Bean.
  • Android 4.4. KitKat.
 
MRI3T said:
And these are better

  • Android 1.6. Donut.
  • Android 2.1. Eclair.
  • Android 2.2. Froyo.
  • Android 2.3. Gingerbread.
  • Android 3.0. Honeycomb.
  • Android 4.0. Ice Cream Sandwich.
  • Android 4.1. Jelly Bean.
  • Android 4.4. KitKat.
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Except it's not random and everyone already knows that Google has been giving their OS releases dessert names in alphabetical order.
 
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lazard said:
Except it's not random and everyone already knows that Google has been giving their OS releases dessert names in alphabetical order.
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So that makes it ok?

Anyways, it makes the product more memorable!
2 yrs from now you will still remember the name of the “Bionic” chip name that Apple used in its iPhone X!
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lazard said:
Except it's not random and everyone already knows that Google has been giving their OS releases dessert names in alphabetical order.
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Haters, are motivators
 
IG88 said:
Here we go! My iPhone 6 wouldn't even keep 2 tabs in RAM long enough for me to copy text from one tab and paste it into another. When I got the 6S with 2 GB I no longer had that problem. Yes it was the RAM, there are countless videos with side by side demonstrations if you don't believe it.
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How much inactive or free RAM was available when this was happening though? Sounds more like a SW problem.

Maybe the world isn’t black and white, and not everyone has the same experience. I never said what you experienced didn’t happen. And obviously 2GB is better than 1GB, for many reasons. But Apple doesn’t design around just one simple requirement that Safari tabs shall not reload. They look at the overall user experience across the platform and decide where the cost/benefit sweet spot is.

In any case, it’s obvious you didn’t read my post. So how is it now, compared to 3 years ago (OS8)? Like I said, I rarely hear Safari reloading complaints by users anymore. Most of what I hear is notch hate and “4 years of the same phone” complaints.
 
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PickUrPoison said:
How much inactive or free RAM was available when this was happening though? Sounds more like a SW problem.

Maybe the world isn’t black and white, and not everyone has the same experience. I never said what you experienced didn’t happen. And obviously 2GB is better than 1GB, for many reasons. But Apple doesn’t design around just one simple requirement that Safari tabs shall not reload. They look at the overall user experience across the platform and decide where the cost/benefit sweet spot is.

In any case, it’s obvious you didn’t read my post. So how is it now, compared to 3 years ago (OS8)? Like I said, I rarely hear Safari reloading complaints by users anymore. Most of what I hear is notch hate and “4 years of the same phone” complaints.
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I saw your comment. I gave the 6 to my niece and got a 6S+ on launch day because they jumped to 2GB of RAM and I knew the RAM was the problem.

Show me a 64 bit processor on any platform running well with 1 GB of RAM. Show me video evidence of it running well.
 
IG88 said:
I saw your comment. I gave the 6 to my niece and got a 6S+ on launch day because they jumped to 2GB of RAM and I knew the RAM was the problem.

Show me a 64 bit processor on any platform running well with 1 GB of RAM. Show me video evidence of it running well.
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Thanks for the update. I wonder how Safari runs on the 6 under iOS 10 or 11? A lot of forum members seem to be holding on to them in lieu of upgrading. Amazing for three year old hardware, imo.

Maybe someone with knowledge on the subject will chime in.
 
PickUrPoison said:
Thanks for the update. I wonder how Safari runs on the 6 under iOS 10 or 11? A lot of forum members seem to be holding on to them in lieu of upgrading. Amazing for three year old hardware, imo.

Maybe someone with knowledge on the subject will chime in.
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My suspicion is that the people that cared moved on to a 6S or 7 by now.

My niece is a highschool teen, she's rarely around anywhere I am so I can't get the phone back to compare.
 
For clarification, there are indeed two models in the U.S. again like the 7 - a GSM only model (assuming another Intel chip) and a GSM+CDMA model (the Qualcomm chip).

I know it's early, but so far my 8 idles incredibly well vs my 7, which could offset the smaller battery than what I had in the 7.
 
Iconoclysm said:
RAM is a battery drain, though.
Wouldn't you like to see a drop test on that new "stronger glass" first?
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No, because anybody knows what glass does (and there are a few out there at Youtube, if you're unaware)
Sadly, the designers at Apple never materialised any of 100.000 better materials (composites, carbon derivates, nanomaterials, polymers etc. etc. - that they spend their billions on patents on)
Because hey - glass repairs mean a guaranteed stream of Store visitors every minute
(and Tim is thrilled to see us brainless duds ehhh...customers running in...)
 
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No, because anybody knows what glass does (and there are a few out there at Youtube, if you're unaware)
Sadly, the designers at Apple never materialised any of 100.000 better materials (composites, carbon derivates, nanomaterials, polymers etc. etc. - that they spend their billions on patents on)
Because hey - glass repairs mean a guaranteed stream of Store visitors every minute
(and Tim is thrilled to see us brainless duds ehhh...customers running in...)
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What about glass Samsung products?
 
Menel said:
Apple is a global company. Themselves, and their customers travel and the need to swap SIM cards.
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It's actually quite simple, you could have something like this:

You buy an e-sim in some country, this e-sim is just a NFC tag (packed in tin foil so you can't tag it when it's still packed) which you hold against your phone and it's registered, you might need to call a service number next to activate, that's it.
Plenty of other ways too.
 
PickUrPoison said:
iPhone uses LPDDR4, luckily Intel isn’t involved.

re: MacBooks, the problem is that Intel’s Kaby Lake, KBL Refresh and Coffee Lake don’t support LPDDR4. Not until Cannon Lake will LPDDR4 be supported, and that’s for the 4.5W TDP CPUs in the 12” MacBook. Ice Lake will bring 32GB support to the CPUs for the MacBook Pro.

So probably 2019 for 32GB–unless Ming-Chi Kuo’s MBP using DDR4 (power hungry desktop class memory) is real. Which is possible but not likely, since it would require a re-design for a new memory controller, and cause a hit to battery run times as well as drastically shorter standby times.
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I was aware of some of that, but not all and appreciate the update :D Glad I did not wait just for 32GB, really love my MBP :D
 
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