iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)

[milatchi]

iPod mini should have been: 1GB = $149 and 2GB=$199. That would have killed the Flash Card music market.

We don't need any of Apple's products at WAL*MART becasue Apple couldn't keep up with WAL*MART's demand and Apple would never lower their price's for WAL*MART and WAL*MART requires you to lower your price to sell a product through them! (Hell, Apple won't lower their prices for any retail store that I know of.)

 

[numediaman]

If you already own a G5 then I guess it was an OK Keynote. But if you are in the market for a new desktop, laptop or display, you have to go somewhere else. All in all, I can't imagine being more disappointed in Apple.

As an aside, Jobs, as usual, did a great job. He is certainly the coolest CEO out there. Too bad he had nothing to announce.

 

[ldkaplan]

No iChat updates?

I was really hoping for a compatability update for iChat, like chat with AOL or an MS version.

Regarding the mini iPod, I do see that many people will spend the extra $50 for the larger version. However, there is a group of users who would appreciate the solid state design such as runners.

People need to stop complaining about not getting free updates. Be happy you have at least some version for free. If you use it a lot, the $ for a new version is worth it. The software is realtively cheap, given the alternatives.

 

[Vroem]

Re: Iphoto for win

Originally posted by jernie
I play the french horn. So? Now I can play french horn through a keyboard?

I don't like french horn solo's very much, maybe you can make a composition with some other instruments and mix in the 'real' horn? 😀

 

[mike czech]

WHY is Apple using "Microsoft Office" in it's description for iLife?!?!?!?

Has "Microsoft" EVER been written on apple.com's front page? I feel like I'm in a bad dream...

 

[tny]

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Isn't that the same thing as being able to buy the system software upgrades on CD/DVD, because you don't want to take 2 days dowloading over 56k (if that's all you have?)

Seems like a total rip-off for anyone buying a mac today not to get iLife for free. But I can understand charging folks who can't/won't download.

Anyone buying a Mac today does get iLife for free ... the version that shipped with their machine. I imagine that point updates will be free through software update. iTunes will always be free. For everything else, if you want the full version updates, you have to pay.

 

[mc717990]

Some updates free for download

I checked with the apple store in St. Louis - the guy there said that probably iPhoto, iTunes, and iMovie will continue to be free downloads for update purposes. This isn't for sure, but he said its likely. Like last year, we've got a bit of waiting till they release the updates for us to download (assuming they do), so I imagine in a week or two we'll be able to download the updates.
Jason

 

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Isn't that the same thing as being able to buy the system software upgrades on CD/DVD, because you don't want to take 2 days dowloading over 56k (if that's all you have?)

Seems like a total rip-off for anyone buying a mac today not to get iLife for free. But I can understand charging folks who can't/won't download.

If you buy a mac it is free in case you missed that part.

 

[movabi]

I will not pay for iphoto

I will not pay a dime for iphoto or itunes. In my opinion they should all be a part of panther. The OS as digital hub. I suggest people really check out qpict. Its certainly more robust than the current iphoto in sorting and handling large amounts of photos. I can't say anything about the future iphoto since i haven't tried it. But if i have to buy a program, i'd much rather give my money to a 3rd party who actually emails me personally when i have an application question.


What i would have liked to see at this media event, is a panther tuneup.... especially some under the hood finder performance tweaking.

Before i get attacked by apple can do no wrong pundits... Its just my 2 cents worth from a person who has been taught to be a critical thinker.

 

[AMPrkm]

EXACT Same Conversation

C'mon people, calm down! Exactly a year ago, when the whole iLife thing was first announced and Steve mentioned the CD bundle, everyone immediately assumed that they would have to pay for the new versions of iPhoto and iMovie. Now we have a new version of iLife out, and people are fearing the EXACT same thing! Don't we have any institutional memory here? Past history indicates that even though downloads were not mentioned, they are very likely to be available. The new iLife suite is NOT OUT YET, so it makes total sense that you can't download the free apps yet. Check back on the 16th.

The iPod pricing complaints are also very familiar. When the original 5GB version came out, everyone complained that no one would ever buy a $300 music player. Nearly 2 million iPods later, once again we're rushing to judge Apple as being incapable of doing market research properly. It remains to be seen whether the iPod mini turns out to be a hit or not, but folks, understand that the marketing people at Apple are not amateurs! Quite frankly, if you'd rather spend $50 more to get a 15GB iPod, Apple will very happily sell you one of those (upselling is a good business strategy).

 

[Dahl]

I don't mind paying for some updates, if they are good, but the iPhoto update was kinda lame.
I hhave been wanting to do creative things with that app for a long time, but they are behind others now. 🙁

I'm interested in more and better printing options. Imagestation ( the Sony company ) offers prints for $.19 now and Apple still wants $.49 !!!
The book options are the same, no printing on both sides of the paper or book types. The rating feature is silly and worthless, why rate a bad picture, you should just get rid of it.
At least the rest of the world can make books now.

Maybe I should get Extensis Portfolio instead ?

 

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by five04
ilife is free if you buy a new mac, does that mean if i go by an ibook today i'll still get ilife 04 when it's released for free?

UPDATE: i've called both apple.com and a local apple retail location and neither knows if there will be a coupon. i was told to call back while they research it.

With the up to date program it will be free, but they mentioned shipping and handling which was $19.95.

 

[OnaMacSince1989]

iPhoto - That's all I need!

iPhoto should remain a free download or at least available individually for say $10 or $20. (It definitely should be free for .Mac members!) I have no use or need for iDVD, iMovie, or GarageBand, and I will not pay $49 just for an update to iPhoto. I think Apple's iApps are great, but why do I have to buy a whole fruit basket when I just want a banana? Even MS lets you buy Word individually if you don't need the whole Office suite. Apple's website mentions that iTunes will still be available as a free download (of course, since the only reason it exists is to sell iPods), but does not mention any of the other apps in iLife04 as being available individually for free or otherwise. I suppose if Apple sold digital cameras that were only compatible with iPhoto, it would forever be a free dowload too!

PS - I guess I can wait another year for a $99 iPod...As long as Apple can't make the current iPod fast enough to keep up with consumer demand, there is no incentive for them to cut prices to the bone just yet.

 

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by Le Big Mac
Isn't that the same thing as being able to buy the system software upgrades on CD/DVD, because you don't want to take 2 days dowloading over 56k (if that's all you have?)

Seems like a total rip-off for anyone buying a mac today not to get iLife for free. But I can understand charging folks who can't/won't download.

If you buy a Mac today you get it for free (excluding S&H) and if you wait, it will already be on the system when you get it. There is a difference between software updates and new releases.

 

[MattG]

Not as much in this Mac user website as in other Mac user websites *cough cough spymac cough*, but I can't believe how many people are whining about the price of iLife! $49 ($29 educational) is a STEAL for all of those applications!

 

[MacsRgr8]

Originally posted by mike czech
WHY is Apple using "Microsoft Office" in it's description for iLife?!?!?!?

Has "Microsoft" EVER been written on apple.com's front page? I feel like I'm in a bad dream...

Yep, when Office v. X was launched.

IMHO, I think is was pretty wel put: M$ Office for the "office stuff", iLife for the rest of your life.
Everyone knows what he meant...

 

[johnnyjibbs]

iDVD seems to be everything I wanted and more! 2 hours is great and the transitions between menus and stuff looks superb. It looks like there's more to iDVD 4 than the website suggests!

I'd bet on new PowerMacs either next Tuesday or the week after. It felt as though Steve almost tripped up when he mentioned the G5 in his closing summary. Plus, with dual G5 2GHz in a 1U enclosure, there's got to be more coming for the towers...

 

[JBracy]

Originally posted by BeyondCloister
Just a shame that the new iLife costs so much in the UK compared to the US.

£39 ($71) in the UK compared to the £26 ($49) in the US. There is no way tax is that bad here.

I guess we should think ourselves lucky that the dollar is so weak right now otherwise it might of cost even more!

Don't blame Apple for the fact that your government charges 17.5% Tax. The US price does not include sales tax which is dependent on where you live. So if you take tax out of the equation then the cost is £33 which is using an average $1.50 = £1. I know that is not todays exchange rate, but it is a fair historical conversion. You don't expect Apple UK to change their prices every day do you?

 

[Lanbrown]

Originally posted by bdkennedy1
Wrong. All new Macs have always had iLife installed. The up-to-date program is for people that want the whole iLife package. iPhoto, iTunes and iMovie will still be free downloads.

Prove that is still the case? Just because they were doesn't mean they always will be. Those applications also came with the OS as well. Panther was released not too long ago.

I guess we shall see on the 16th.

 

[jholzner]

Originally posted by dukemeiser
Yes, it is a terrible shame that we should have to pay for quality applications. These should be FREE! Because, as you know, it is such a pain in the rear to have to actually spend money for something.
And Mircrosoft expects me to pay for Office 2004? Get real! It should be free too...

Please people, stop whining. Why should Apple spend $ and time on great software and then give it away? Doesn't sound like a very good business model to me.

I just ordered my copy of iLife, you can too.

I completely agree. Any singe one of those apps is worth 50 bucks and we get them all for that. Apple has to make money on these things...or at least make a smaller lose. I'm sure that any other company could not develope and sell these things for this cheap.

 

[smileynev]

I'm sorry, but we already pay a significant premium on the hardware that we purchase over the competition. Apple has always offered iMovie, iTunes, and iPhoto as free downloads. Its one of the benefits of using a mac, free software thats tightly integrated to the hardware and the OS. If they change that now its bad marketing and a slap in the face to all of us who have supported their products over the years.

I will not pay for these updates, as they should be free.

 

[Stella]

$49US is a steal if you use all the products.

Personally, like other people, I will only use iPhoto.

I have an iBook, so I don't need iDVD, i also don't need iMovie or Garage.

I'm not paying $49 for just iPhoto.

Last year didn't SJ say that the updated iApps were going to be free downloads? I think so, but this year, he didn't say that - only that it was apart of iLife 4 which you can buy.

Unfortunately, iApps are now payware.

Originally posted by MattG
Not as much in this Mac user website as in other Mac user websites *cough cough spymac cough*, but I can't believe how many people are whining about the price of iLife! $49 ($29 educational) is a STEAL for all of those applications!

 

[jholzner]

Re: iPhoto - That's all I need!

Originally posted by OnaMacSince1989
iPhoto should remain a free download or at least available individually for say $10 or $20. (It definitely should be free for .Mac members!) I have no use or need for iDVD, iMovie, or GarageBand, and I will not pay $49 just for an update to iPhoto. I think Apple's iApps are great, but why do I have to buy a whole fruit basket when I just want a banana? Even MS lets you buy Word individually if you don't need the whole Office suite. Apple's website mentions that iTunes will still be available as a free download (of course, since the only reason it exists is to sell iPods), but does not mention any of the other apps in iLife04 as being available individually for free or otherwise. I suppose if Apple sold digital cameras that were only compatible with iPhoto, it would forever be a free dowload too!

PS - I guess I can wait another year for a $99 iPod...As long as Apple can't make the current iPod fast enough to keep up with consumer demand, there is no incentive for them to cut prices to the bone just yet.

iTunes does not exist to simply sell ipods. the iTMS does but not iTunes...iTunes was out long before th iPod. They released it because they messed up and let the cd burning craze pass them by...now they've more than caught up.

 

[Some_Big_Spoon]

iLife should be w/ core OS

it's been said before, and it will be said countless thousands of times to come: Mac OSX now Costs $180, not $129.

"iLife" or the applications that it encompasses, are much of the reason people use a mac.. that reason will now cost an additional $49 on top of the $129 cost that we all JUST paid..

I know, Apple's a company and does give a crap about us in reality, but man, this is just right in your face..

 

[Le Big Mac]

Originally posted by Kid Red
If you buy a mac it is free in case you missed that part.

1) it's not free if you have to buy a $1000+ computer

2) I didn't miss it, especially the part that says anyone who purchases a mac on or after Jan. 6 that does not come with iLife '04 may pay $19.95 for iLife up-to-date to get a DVD with the new programs on it. My point was that those people should not have to pay anything--after all they're clearing out Apple's old stock for them.