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iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)

iLife is going to be awesome

I am a relatively new mac user (bought my first mac at "Night of the Panther"). I've only been reading these boards for a few months. Saw my first keynote speach from SJ today. Frankly I'm amazed at some of the negativity displayed by mac users re: iLife.

Here are some of the comments I've heard:
"I don't use GarageBand or iMovie or iDVD and iTunes will of course continue to be free and therefore Apple expects me to pay $49 for iPhoto?"
"I'm not a musician so I can't use Garageband"
"The iApps should be a free download".
"There's no confirmation that they'll be included if I buy a mac today."
"I already pay a premium for the hardware so the software should be free, or less expensive."
"Since iLife was free to begin with, it should be free now."

Apple is not a charity. They do things to make money. Apple is not a fly-by-night company... what they do is the best in the business. The best in the business costs more than the mediocre in the business. Apple is not immune to inflation... As time goes on, you will have to pay for upgrades. The upgrades cost money to bring them to you in the first place. Apple is not a cheap company. You pay a premium for the hardware because the hardware is a premium product, NOT so that you can use cheap software. The old version of iLife was free because it had old ways it was being used. Guess what? Your "free" iLife is still free! You're paying for an UPDATE... and a good one at that. Your car radio was free when you got your car. If a newer radio comes out you're going to have to pay for the upgrade to the new radio.

Finally, Apple (believe it or not) does NOT exist to please you and you alone. It exists to please as many people as possible. If you aren't a musician, don't use Garageband.. you still have 4 other applications to use. If you don't take photos, don't use iPhoto.. you have 3 left. If you don't have a camcorder, don't use iMovie (2 remaining). If you don't have a DVD burner and don't want to archive projects, don't use iDVD (1 more). And finally, if you don't want a high-quality music jukebox that works seamlessly with all of the other apps that your preferences have eliminated, then don't spend the $49 and just be happy that at the very least, you're using a quality operating system.

My point is not to single out any particular posters. Rather, it is to point out that today's keynote had something for everyone. I will never get a g5 XServe but am glad that Apple is providing it for someone. I don't know if I'm thrilled by having more slideshow transitions in iPhoto, but it will be nice. I don't use all of the 150 upgrades to Panther, but I do use some. I am very happy and impressed that Apple is innovating the way they are. I can't believe that the naysayers for iLife didn't find at least SOMETHING they liked about it. 2004 should be a great year for Apple and the iLife upgrade proves it.
 
Nobody said that iPhoto 04, iMovie, etc would not be included with 10.4. It is only $50, so I ordered mine as soon as I got back from work.

To those of you whining about having to pay for the new version, you got your's free when you bought your Mac. Apple owes you nothing beyond that so you should be thankful that updates were free as long as they were! For all you know, nothing will change with 10.4. Panther did not include Garageband and iDVD. Expect things included with Panther to be updated with the next $129 update. You all need to quit your whining just because the gravy train did not stop for you today. Welcome to the real world.

Superdrive
 
i'm not going to quote the post before mine for space reasons, but i totally 100% agree. i already ordered my edu copy, and it'll be worth it for the iDVD upgrade alone (i just burned a dvd for my girlfriend and it was really funto make, i expect to do more soon, especially when i get a dv camera), and garageband will be a blast, too.

it's not like apple is selling their systems devoid of the iLife apps now, and are requiring you to spend $49 if you want them. spend the money if you want the UPGRADE... if it's not worth it to you, don't get it, no one is holding a gun to your head for the $49 in your wallet.
 
Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
Strange that they're advertising Microsoft Office on the Apple front page though (I know it's a direct quote from Steve!).
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I just went to Apple's home page and refreshed 20 or so times. No Office there. What is there is this:

It's Microsoft Office for the rest of your Life

Introducing iLife '04
 
We all know Apple isn't a charity, but I still think the upgrades are weak.
I would rather wait for Apple to have something worthwhile and then spend $49 or even more.
I don't need gimmick features like ratings and would rather see Apple focus on things where they are behind, like printing from iPhoto and the cost of that. ( $.49 vs. $.19 ) 🙄
 
Originally posted by Dahl
We all know Apple isn't a charity, but I still think the upgrades are weak.
I would rather wait for Apple to have something worthwhile and then spend $49 or even more.
I don't need gimmick features like ratings and would rather see Apple focus on things where they are behind, like printing from iPhoto and the cost of that. ( $.49 vs. $.19 ) 🙄
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I'm sorry Dahl, I don't see how you can say that this is a weak upgrade, particularly for $49. Every iApp has something added to it of substance and there is a BRAND NEW APP added to boot. If you want to pay $49 or more for a good photo manager that allows you to print for less, then that's fine. But that is one need of many. Some might even argue that "ordering prints from iPhoto" is a gimmick feature (I assume this is what you meant when you said printing from iPhoto).
 
No, it's not what I meant.
The gimmick is rating your photos, but I guess some people think it's fun.
The main reason why I prefer iPhoto to others is that is integrated so well with the other apps. It's not that it's the best, then again, the other options are not cheap.

Printing a 4x6 from iPhoto is $.49, everybody sells cheaper prints than that.
That's ok, I can print from another site.

But I was looking forward to Apple catching up with the rest, when it comes to "creative" printing. The book printing options are not good enough.
 
Re: iLife is going to be awesome

Originally posted by rjfiske
I am a relatively new mac user (bought my first mac at "Night of the Panther"). I've only been reading these boards for a few months. Saw my first keynote speach from SJ today. Frankly I'm amazed at some of the negativity displayed by mac users re: iLife.

Here are some of the comments I've heard:
"I don't use GarageBand or iMovie or iDVD and iTunes will of course continue to be free and therefore Apple expects me to pay $49 for iPhoto?"
"I'm not a musician so I can't use Garageband"
"The iApps should be a free download".
"There's no confirmation that they'll be included if I buy a mac today."
"I already pay a premium for the hardware so the software should be free, or less expensive."
"Since iLife was free to begin with, it should be free now."

Apple is not a charity. They do things to make money. Apple is not a fly-by-night company... what they do is the best in the business. The best in the business costs more than the mediocre in the business. Apple is not immune to inflation... As time goes on, you will have to pay for upgrades. The upgrades cost money to bring them to you in the first place. Apple is not a cheap company. You pay a premium for the hardware because the hardware is a premium product, NOT so that you can use cheap software. The old version of iLife was free because it had old ways it was being used. Guess what? Your "free" iLife is still free! You're paying for an UPDATE... and a good one at that. Your car radio was free when you got your car. If a newer radio comes out you're going to have to pay for the upgrade to the new radio.

Finally, Apple (believe it or not) does NOT exist to please you and you alone. It exists to please as many people as possible. If you aren't a musician, don't use Garageband.. you still have 4 other applications to use. If you don't take photos, don't use iPhoto.. you have 3 left. If you don't have a camcorder, don't use iMovie (2 remaining). If you don't have a DVD burner and don't want to archive projects, don't use iDVD (1 more). And finally, if you don't want a high-quality music jukebox that works seamlessly with all of the other apps that your preferences have eliminated, then don't spend the $49 and just be happy that at the very least, you're using a quality operating system.

My point is not to single out any particular posters. Rather, it is to point out that today's keynote had something for everyone. I will never get a g5 XServe but am glad that Apple is providing it for someone. I don't know if I'm thrilled by having more slideshow transitions in iPhoto, but it will be nice. I don't use all of the 150 upgrades to Panther, but I do use some. I am very happy and impressed that Apple is innovating the way they are. I can't believe that the naysayers for iLife didn't find at least SOMETHING they liked about it. 2004 should be a great year for Apple and the iLife upgrade proves it.
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well i must say that is an impressive post. i completly agree. ive been using all these apps since version 1, and some back in the os 9 days. i just look at these apps and i know no other company can produce something this good, cause no one has done it yet. about garage band, but it hink that makes it all worth it. but i think it takes an audio person who works around people or is in the business themself to realize the true value of the application. but to all the whiners out there, iDVD 3, iMovie 3, iPhoto 2 are all still kick ass programs so just use them.

iJon
 
Re: iLife is going to be awesome

Originally posted by rjfiske
I am a relatively new mac user (bought my first mac at "Night of the Panther"). I've only been reading these boards for a few months. Saw my first keynote speach from SJ today. Frankly I'm amazed at some of the negativity displayed by mac users re: iLife.

*clipped*

My point is not to single out any particular posters. Rather, it is to point out that today's keynote had something for everyone. I will never get a g5 XServe but am glad that Apple is providing it for someone. I don't know if I'm thrilled by having more slideshow transitions in iPhoto, but it will be nice. I don't use all of the 150 upgrades to Panther, but I do use some. I am very happy and impressed that Apple is innovating the way they are. I can't believe that the naysayers for iLife didn't find at least SOMETHING they liked about it. 2004 should be a great year for Apple and the iLife upgrade proves it.
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Hey buddy, I COMPLETELY agree with you. To all the rest of y'all out there: I'm a college student, so it's not like I have cash to burn either. But Even I understand how cool the new iLife is gonna be. For those of you that only use iPhoto or one other app: What exactly do you want from Apple? Do you want them to custom sell to you just iPhoto for 7.95? Sheesh it's a package of great software, it's not like it's incredibly buggy and a detriment to society. Personally I think GarageBand alone is worth the money, and I'm not even a musician!

I think a lot of mac users in general are just greedy and whine way too much. I suppose Apple should have just charged for all these apps from the beginning so people wouldn't have anything to whine about. But nooo... we get to experience them for free for awhile and then when they finall ask for money, that's when the compainers come out.

Btw... those arguing that we already pay a lot for our computers: I would think twice before you call my G5 simply a premium machine. It's literally one of the fastest computers on the market. I'm not paying for a glitzy aluminum frame, I'm paying for speed and quality, and that's what folks get when they buy macs. Don't act like we're paying extra simply because. I think Apple deserves a little more credit than that.

I'm not quite sure why I wrote this, since it'll probably fall on the deaf ears of the hordes of mac users that get pissed whenever something new comes out that requires money. You don't like it? Get a PC, and tell me you're happy with that decision (and if you are, good for ya).

-E
 
my beef is...

I think that apple, by not to offering these apps as free, makes me want and pay for better solutions.

I thought the whole deal with Apple offering these applications is for people to support the platform and enable them to have applications to do basic functions on there computers out of the box. When you figure in all the things people have to buy on top of the OS and a fancy computer, the money starts adding up.
 
Re: my beef is...

Originally posted by movabi
I think that apple, by not to offering these apps as free, makes me want and pay for better solutions.
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That's how I feel, or at least I'll be looking into other products.
 
Re: Disappointed

Originally posted by MM2270
So, I'm supposed to pay $50 for iPhoto, and discard the rest!
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hi. work an hour or two or four or eight, earn $50, and buy iPhoto. apple certainly spent more time developing it for you and you will certainly spend more time using it.
 
Re: Re: iLife is going to be awesome

...I'm not quite sure why I wrote this, since it'll probably fall on the deaf ears of the hordes of mac users that get pissed whenever something new comes out that requires money. You don't like it? Get a PC, and tell me you're happy with that decision (and if you are, good for ya).

-E [/B]
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Amen, Brother! Last year I spoke with an HP rep. who was showing their huge printer (wall-size maps, etc.). He couldn't get over how much the Mac community complained about minutiae. His opinion: Mac users are spoiled. This thread proves it.
 
Re: my beef is...

Originally posted by movabi
I think that apple, by not to offering these apps as free, makes me want and pay for better solutions.

I thought the whole deal with Apple offering these applications is for people to support the platform and enable them to have applications to do basic functions on there computers out of the box. When you figure in all the things people have to buy on top of the OS and a fancy computer, the money starts adding up.
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It's 50 damn bucks!!! Can you not afford $50 for a powerful, great suite like iLife?! That's $10 an app! I have to shake my head when I read posts like this, geez...
 
The $49 is perfectly reasonable...I use all 4 apps and have already ordered the '04 upgrade (forgetting I qualify for the edu price and not even really caring). Looking forward to being able to fully use iPhoto like it was meant to be used.

I do have to say, however, that it would be nice if .mac membership qualified for discounts, or for assured free downloads of iPhoto & iMovie. It seems like such an obvious perk for .mac members, since iLife is so integrated with .mac, rather than the random free and discounted 3rd party software and games that come up on .mac now and then. This is the kind of thing I was expecting from the second year of .mac and so far it isn't really proving its worth.
 
Re: Re: Re: iLife is going to be awesome

Originally posted by Potus
Amen, Brother! Last year I spoke with an HP rep. who was showing their huge printer (wall-size maps, etc.). He couldn't get over how much the Mac community complained about minutiae. His opinion: Mac users are spoiled. This thread proves it.
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Exactly - some of these posters are simply cheap and spoiled. Ah well, I guess there will always be people who want something for nothing and never want to pay money for anything. I mean come on, it's $49, you don't have to mortgage your house to buy iLife, come on people. Do you people honestly not think the quality of the apps is worth it? Quit complaining.
 
To be realistic, the free updates had to end at some point. And plus, $49 is a very reasonable price for such quality apps - that works out to $10 per app, which I think is a very reasonable price.

Some people are just never happy and don't want to pay anything for anything. Other people realize value in products, and don't mind paying a fair price for quality products. I think people who are going to pop on the warez sites and download the iLife updates are quite pathetic - cheapskates, essentially. And to them, I ask the question, "at what price would you pay for these types of apps? $30? $10? $.07?" Some people have no sense of worth and quality when it comes to things like this.

I think the new iLife is great, and I'll definitely be buying myself a copy, especially for GarageBand. 😎
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~

I think the new iLife is great, and I'll definitely be buying myself a copy, especially for GarageBand. 😎
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i agree. i have pro tools, mbox, logic, etc. but i'm still anxious to try out garageband. looks like a quick way of getting down demos, pre-production, etc. and for $50 you can't beat it!
 
Canadians get a better price

hey in canada we only pay $60, that works out to 47 USD. But i get a edu discount for $40 CAD, which works out 31 USD, which isn't better then the US discount i think.
 
The thread that wouldnt die......

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

I am losing my mind. Didnt this argument just get dumped on the other thread?

Please - all the iApps were free and if you have iPhoto et al, you STILL have it.

If you dont like iPhoto for $10, then use the one that you got for free, and you will like it because its free.

If you buy a Mac today, you get the iLife package.

If you bought a Mac last week, they didnt have this stuff then, so you dont get it.

If you have always wanted an Apple-style music program, then Garageband is very attractive. I cant wait to get it.

Today was a good day for Apple, I enjoyed watching the show with Steve and that guitarist guy.

Perhaps you guys that only want GarageBand could give iPhoto to the people who wont pay for it?

anyway, its all moot because there is NO WAY that Apple is going to give you free software in this case.
 
More to the point, does anyone know what the track limit is for GarageBand?
Or any specs/inside info?

Really looking forward to this program!
 
Re: Re: iLife is going to be awesome

Originally posted by MrEFord
What exactly do you want from Apple? Do you want them to custom sell to you just iPhoto for 7.95?

I think a lot of mac users in general are just greedy and whine way too much. I suppose Apple should have just charged for all these apps from the beginning so people wouldn't have anything to whine about. But nooo... we get to experience them for free for awhile and then when they finall ask for money, that's when the compainers come out.

Btw... those arguing that we already pay a lot for our computers: I would think twice before you call my G5 simply a premium machine. It's literally one of the fastest computers on the market. I'm not paying for a glitzy aluminum frame, I'm paying for speed and quality, and that's what folks get when they buy macs. Don't act like we're paying extra simply because. I think Apple deserves a little more credit than that.

I'm not quite sure why I wrote this, since it'll probably fall on the deaf ears of the hordes of mac users that get pissed whenever something new comes out that requires money. You don't like it? Get a PC, and tell me you're happy with that decision (and if you are, good for ya).

-E
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Yes, a single iapp for $7.95 is EXACTLY what I want (aside from them being free). Would that be so hard? I'd take it as a download - no cd and box necessary. It's simply incomprehensible why that isn't an option.

"Mac users are greedy." Sorry, but that's just not true. Mac users pay for a premium product and expect premium service.
Besides, I don't understand your thinking on this one (and, it seems, the thinking of many people here): "It used to be free, now it costs money, and I'm so happy about that!" I can understand if you don't want to complain, but honestly, how is anyone rating a new fee as a *positive* thing? It's acceptable at best.

You're paying for both style AND substance with your G5. Yes, it's a serious computer. But it's also a pretty toy that costs more than it should. That's especially true for some of the other products even more than the G5 (like the imac and ipod).

Telling people who are unhappy to "get a PC" is childish and pointless. This is a discussion board. You know, for differing view points to be expressed. Anyone who is unhappy with Apple should just leave? It's not acceptable to like Apple's products but be unhappy in one particular case?

Finally, the worst part of this whole thing is that the updates just aren't that impressive. The only one I want is iPhoto, and that's just because the old one is so badly flawed - not because the new one is so great. 🙄
 
Originally posted by ~Shard~
To be realistic, the free updates had to end at some point. And plus, $49 is a very reasonable price for such quality apps - that works out to $10 per app, which I think is a very reasonable price.

Some people are just never happy and don't want to pay anything for anything. I ask the question, "at what price would you pay for these types of apps? $30? $10? $.07?" Some people have no sense of worth and quality when it comes to things like this.
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I would gladly pay $10 for iPhoto, as I use it frequently. Why should I have to pay for 4 other programs I will never use? I do not make music. I have no video camera. No superdrive. No use for those apps. Since I have no option except buy $40 of useless 1s and 0s, and $10 useful apps, I think I am going to skip the paying part. Yell at me all you want, but unless I can buy iPhoto alone, I will not pay for it. Alternatively, send me $40 and I will be happy to add it to my $10 and send it to Apple.

BTW- I don't have a job, and I have a Chicago rent to pay. $50 to me is like $500 to you.
 
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