When apple launched ilife last year, steve speciallfy mentioned that imovie, iphoto, and itunes were still free downloads. This year he said nothing. Get your wallet out...
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iLife Updates (iTunes, iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, New App)
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
2 thoughts:
iPod - pricing too high, not to compete with other players, but to compete with iPod! Seriously, how many are Apple going to sell when you can more than TRIPLE the capacity for fifty bucks? If they had kept the low end at 10 gigs, this would have made a little more sense, but frankly they're going to end up cannibalising their own market without making much of a dent in the target.
iPhoto - free hopefully, jury's still out. My major fear is that European printing will only work with the new update... So now I've got to pay £40 for functionality that has been available to the US for two years? Gee, thanks. What's next? iTMS is subscription based outside the US?
Of course, both of these are opinions, and hopefully I'm going to be wrong on both counts.
But I don't remember a Stevenote that left me feeling this grim since the .mac episode...
iPod - pricing too high, not to compete with other players, but to compete with iPod! Seriously, how many are Apple going to sell when you can more than TRIPLE the capacity for fifty bucks? If they had kept the low end at 10 gigs, this would have made a little more sense, but frankly they're going to end up cannibalising their own market without making much of a dent in the target.
iPhoto - free hopefully, jury's still out. My major fear is that European printing will only work with the new update... So now I've got to pay £40 for functionality that has been available to the US for two years? Gee, thanks. What's next? iTMS is subscription based outside the US?
Of course, both of these are opinions, and hopefully I'm going to be wrong on both counts.
But I don't remember a Stevenote that left me feeling this grim since the .mac episode...
I don't think Steve will pull the iLife carpet out from under our feet at this point. I think that there are two reasons that the box is not a free download. One...The size of the programs, why they started charging for the box in the first place. And two...the work put inot garage band. It looks like a really kick-*** program.
I definitely think that it's worth 30 bucks just to get a functional version of iPhoto and Garage Band. As John Mayer pointed out, it looks like a really good tool to practice playing with. I only wish the new version of iPhoto was availible for download today as I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow...
I definitely think that it's worth 30 bucks just to get a functional version of iPhoto and Garage Band. As John Mayer pointed out, it looks like a really good tool to practice playing with. I only wish the new version of iPhoto was availible for download today as I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow...
johnnyjibbs
macrumors 68030
Re: iLife should be w/ core OS
However, Apple appears to be distancing the iLife applications from the OS itself. For example, Mail, Address Book and (to a lesser extent) Safari are part of the OS and are updated as part of that. The iLife applications are standalone updates.
I guess I'm not bitter about having to pay because I will get a lot of benefit for my £30 - much better iDVD, iPhoto and whole new app which will be useful to me (GarageBand). Those who just want the iPhoto upgrade though I can see why they would be pissed.
At least iLife hasn't become Panther-only. The complaints would have really been flying then...
One thing - I noticed that one of the new iDVD themes was Road Trip. If you "open package contents" on iDVD and look in "Resources" you will notice a number of themes that are not used (e.g. Roadtrip, Surfs Up, Portfolio, etc). You can open up their graphics and stuff but I've found no way of getting them to be recognised by iDVD. It seems as if they made some of the new themes before the update and then crippled iDVD for some odd reason. Anyone else noticed this?
I would have thought that, from now on, all retail copies of Panther will include the new iLife versions including GarageBand (iDVD is not included obviously).
However, Apple appears to be distancing the iLife applications from the OS itself. For example, Mail, Address Book and (to a lesser extent) Safari are part of the OS and are updated as part of that. The iLife applications are standalone updates.
I guess I'm not bitter about having to pay because I will get a lot of benefit for my £30 - much better iDVD, iPhoto and whole new app which will be useful to me (GarageBand). Those who just want the iPhoto upgrade though I can see why they would be pissed.
At least iLife hasn't become Panther-only. The complaints would have really been flying then...
One thing - I noticed that one of the new iDVD themes was Road Trip. If you "open package contents" on iDVD and look in "Resources" you will notice a number of themes that are not used (e.g. Roadtrip, Surfs Up, Portfolio, etc). You can open up their graphics and stuff but I've found no way of getting them to be recognised by iDVD. It seems as if they made some of the new themes before the update and then crippled iDVD for some odd reason. Anyone else noticed this?
This is not new. I have a first gen FP iMac and I would have had to pay to get iDVD/iMovie upgraded. I think iPhoto will be free, but garage band, and the two previous listed, will not.
iPhoto and iTunes are switching applications, and they are the most used. I really doubt apple will charge for wither of them. and they will never charge for Safari.
I don't see the fuss. the apps are realyl good. if you think 49 is tooooo much you can purchase PS Elememts, I think roxio has some DVD software, and Peak LE to do the same type of stuff. I think that will be around 300 dollars.
the 15gb iPod is only $269 with the edu discount, 4gb iPod is $229. Even I can do the math on this.
I've already ordered 2 copies of iLife (so I can get free shipping). Well worth the price for what you get. I can't imagine what Micro$oft would charge for something like GarageBand.
-
jhc
I've already ordered 2 copies of iLife (so I can get free shipping). Well worth the price for what you get. I can't imagine what Micro$oft would charge for something like GarageBand.
-
jhc
I am going to order iLife today for one reason, and one reason alone...GarageBand. If it wasn't included, I simply wouldn't buy it. I love the idea of supporting companies like Apple, but I am not made of money.
buffsldr
macrumors 6502a
Re: for all the people complaining
Ahhh... nice to know there is another Pro/e guy out there in macrumors. frankly, my mac is a nice break after a long day of failed regenerations. If i have to redefine one more time! Urrgh.
Only problem is, the items i design in pro/e sell for a lot more money than my iMovies. If it was the other way around, I would be a much happier mac user.
Having said that, I have no problem paying for iLife becuase I want iDVD. I do like the instant gratification of instant iPhoto/iMovie downloads though.
Ahhh... nice to know there is another Pro/e guy out there in macrumors. frankly, my mac is a nice break after a long day of failed regenerations. If i have to redefine one more time! Urrgh.
Only problem is, the items i design in pro/e sell for a lot more money than my iMovies. If it was the other way around, I would be a much happier mac user.
Having said that, I have no problem paying for iLife becuase I want iDVD. I do like the instant gratification of instant iPhoto/iMovie downloads though.
huh?
Your post makes no sense at all (other then the cool ceo part). Everything that was announced today has something to do with just about everyone, plenty of people waiting on new xserves. New mini pods which I agree should be a little less, and will probably drop by 50 bucks come summer time. They've updated a lot of the systems in the last few months. More updates will be coming soon, think superbowl. They're updating these great apps to make them better and faster. Do we know if we'll have to pay for iphoto/imovie? No we don't but even if we do, its all good. Its a very inexpensive update with good features. We get what we pay for. Yes we pay more for our macs because they're the best. Look at it this way, 10 bucks an app. If you don't use them all well, maybe it will inspire you to try.
Your post makes no sense at all (other then the cool ceo part). Everything that was announced today has something to do with just about everyone, plenty of people waiting on new xserves. New mini pods which I agree should be a little less, and will probably drop by 50 bucks come summer time. They've updated a lot of the systems in the last few months. More updates will be coming soon, think superbowl. They're updating these great apps to make them better and faster. Do we know if we'll have to pay for iphoto/imovie? No we don't but even if we do, its all good. Its a very inexpensive update with good features. We get what we pay for. Yes we pay more for our macs because they're the best. Look at it this way, 10 bucks an app. If you don't use them all well, maybe it will inspire you to try.
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
Yes, but it's not $100, it's $150, $49+$99.. then you have to take into account the $129 OS update.. plus the mind boggling premium we spend on the hardware...
Re: iTunes Music Store
Hear hear. I was really hoping iTMS would be launched in Europe today... or at least some word of it. It's so frustrating. Still, at least it means I won't be tempted to start buying music online! I guess everyone outside the US will just carrying on downloading music for free.
It sucks that you have to pay for the iLife apps too. They should at least offer .Mac members the new software for free.
What a disappointing Expo, after all the anticipation. 😡
Hear hear. I was really hoping iTMS would be launched in Europe today... or at least some word of it. It's so frustrating. Still, at least it means I won't be tempted to start buying music online! I guess everyone outside the US will just carrying on downloading music for free.
It sucks that you have to pay for the iLife apps too. They should at least offer .Mac members the new software for free.
What a disappointing Expo, after all the anticipation. 😡
autrefois
macrumors 65816
Personally, I think besides advertising for iLife, at the same time it's meant to be a sign that there won't be a new Apple iSuite or iWrite to replace Appleworks, like some people were thinking/hoping.
It seemed to me that Steve was saying buy Office for doing "work" and Apple will do iLife for "everything else". Maybe they've given up on the word processor/suite front.
btw--Was it just me, or did the welcome to Microsoft's new Office seem a little less than enthusiastic?
All of the expos are dissapointments we should not get our hopes up, but then there would be no need for pages like these because really all they do is get our hopes up for new products but we see no proof till they are released. I would have been a little less dissapionted (can't spell) I they updated to other two Ipods, but the mini is usless to me the hard drive is a little to small I need like 7 it also looks funny to me. Ilife udates are good but if especially Itunes and Iphoto cost extra money I will be pistoff. I dont want to spend the money, when it used to be free. If Itunes isn't free it doesnt make sence though because down the line if you have to pay origionally to use the music store less would use it. Hopefully they just havent posted the updates yet
And no one is putting a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy anything either. It seems like every complaint I'm reading today is based on price, whether it's the iPod mini or the iLife suite. Bottom line is that it's a free enterprise, Apple can charge whatever they like and it's your choice whether or not to buy what they're selling.
Personally I think I'll pay up the $49 for the iLife suite because it's a pretty good deal when you compare it to any other remotely similar software package available for the Mac or for Windows either for that matter. I know people are complaining because they can't get something for free, but frankly Apple can do whatever they want, nobody is entitled to a free update to iMovie or iPhoto (unless they buy a new Mac starting today of course).
I don't see Microsoft or anybody else offering an equivalent to the iLife suite for less than $49, nor do I see Rio/Dell/Creative or anyone else offering anything comparable to the iPod mini for less than $249 either. So I really don't see why there is so much bitching going on today, it's certainly not justified at all... 🙄
QCassidy352
macrumors G5
people who are saying that apple has to make money:
yes, of course they do. But just as iTMS does not itself make much money, but rather encourages the sale of ipods, the iapps were not designed as money makers, but to encourage the sale of systems.
Now, you might say that new system owners still get ilife, so the goal of encouraging people to buy new macs is still met. But, that misses one essential point - although there was no explicit guarantee, there was an understanding that buying a mac entitled you to ilife updates.
That was what I thought when I bought my current computer (12" PB). Did apple promise anything? No. But even though it was only implicit that I would get ilife in the future, it was still an assumption that I, and many others, justifiably made. I, and others, feel deceived. I bought a PB in september. I bought Panther in October - and got no upgrade coupon for it.
I don't care if I'm unjustified in feeling cheated; it's still how I feel. Me and a lot of other people. And Apple had better care how the customer feels, whether those feelings are "reasonable" or not.
yes, of course they do. But just as iTMS does not itself make much money, but rather encourages the sale of ipods, the iapps were not designed as money makers, but to encourage the sale of systems.
Now, you might say that new system owners still get ilife, so the goal of encouraging people to buy new macs is still met. But, that misses one essential point - although there was no explicit guarantee, there was an understanding that buying a mac entitled you to ilife updates.
That was what I thought when I bought my current computer (12" PB). Did apple promise anything? No. But even though it was only implicit that I would get ilife in the future, it was still an assumption that I, and many others, justifiably made. I, and others, feel deceived. I bought a PB in september. I bought Panther in October - and got no upgrade coupon for it.
I don't care if I'm unjustified in feeling cheated; it's still how I feel. Me and a lot of other people. And Apple had better care how the customer feels, whether those feelings are "reasonable" or not.
Foxer
macrumors 65816
True, but one of the things we bought into when we opted for Apple over Wintel was the expectation that Apple would continue to supply us with this software. Look, I think FCE2 looks cool but pricey, but I don't expect it for free. Ipod Minis are too expensive, but I don't expect a free one. However, for the past several years, I've been led to believe that the digital hub apps were and would remain free. They've been so imbedded in the OS that they can hardly be conisdered "optional extras."
On the whole, I was expecting to get burnt for buying a new PB this weekend, but it looks like it only cost me the cost of an iLife upgrade. Lucky me.
QCassidy352
macrumors G5
ah, it's funny that you were posting this just as I posted my last message. It doesn't matter if the bitching is justified. Suddenly charging for formerly free software pisses people off. And pissed off customers are customers who aren't going to buy from you again. And that's a problem for apple. "Justified" and "reasonable" have nothing to do with it.
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
I think the core of the argument is that we (as Apple Consumers) should feel priviledged because we have the OPPORTUNITY to BUY iLife.. No mention, or thought given, to that we already pay a premium on hardware just simply to run the software (and i believe that ifApple were to release an x86 version of Mac OS their monopoly would collapse).. iLife apps were the right of the (double the) price of the hardware.. Now, to those that already have bought the premium priced hardware, the software is no longer a right, it's a priviledge which can be taken away at any time without warning..