cmaier
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The people who doubt it are incredibly cynical.
Illinois Floats Bill That Would Let Developers Skirt Apple's In-App Purchase Rules
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FreedomPenguin
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let me ask you, why do people buy an iPhone wanting it to change? ie. I wouldn't buy a Prius expecting it to work like a pickup truck or a Camry to be a sports car. its like the consumer buys it then complains
if you aren't happy with iPhone, simply buy an android.
I dont get why so many people want it opened and changed. its like people moving to other places and changing it... into the place they moved way from.. because they disliked it.
if you aren't happy with iPhone, simply buy an android.
I dont get why so many people want it opened and changed. its like people moving to other places and changing it... into the place they moved way from.. because they disliked it.
vipergts2207
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Regardless of of whether you agree with the diatribe, it didn’t represent my position accurately whatsoever.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
It wasn’t meant to represent your position (and as such, not a straw man). It was an analysis of the chart compared against the same chart if you choose worldwide marketshare.
vipergts2207
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Only a single sentence addressed marketshare. The rest was straw man based diatribe talking about the government rationing iPhones and offering tax breaks on Android devices.
falainber
macrumors 68040
Cynical wins over naive every time.
falainber
macrumors 68040
Indeed, people should stop buying iPhones. I agree with you here.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
No, a straw man begins with a misrepresentation of a point being made. There was no point of yours I was refuting, so not a straw man.
vipergts2207
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Ok so all but one sentence was a complete non-sequitur then. Cool.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
Nope, doesn’t fit the definition of a non-sequitur either.
vipergts2207
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Ok have a nice day. Argue with someone else about absurd topics like rationing of iPhones and tax incentives for Androids.
DaRev
macrumors regular
I worked for an ISP, and I personally got 5-10 people a day (70 call average day), or over 1500 a year of old people calling up asking why we don't stop them from being scammed, they lost their life savings, blah blah blah. Now extrapolate that out to the 400+ phone reps and 300 live chat reps and you see this is a real problem affecting a whole lot of people. Nice that you are so narrow-minded.
jonblatho
macrumors 68030
That’s too bad. Lock up the people doing the scamming, of course, and hopefully some form of restitution can be provided to the victims, but failure to have the modicum of common sense necessary to protect oneself can have very real consequences.
And again, there’s absolutely nothing stopping these scams from being perpetrated today in a web browser. I’d argue it’s significantly easier to execute these scams over the web. No one wants to write an entire app to scam people — it’s much easier to email people a link that shows them a fake login form or whatever.
Of course, Apple itself has repeatedly shown that it’s happy to approve scam apps in the App Store charging $50/mo to use a calculator as long as they get their cut of the revenue, so.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Guess that’s how apple made its record breaking revenue.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
It would be great if no one wanted, to, but there’s money in it sooo, of course they are. That link they click? It doesn’t just go to a website with a text file that says “send money to…”. It downloads an app that gives the malicious actor control of their computer. That’s easy to do on Windows, VERY difficult to do on iOS BUT make it possible to do on iOS? Then you’ll have the same people that are writing Windows and macOS apps writing malicious downloadable iOS apps. Because there’s money in it.
dk001
macrumors demi-god
However these folks would likely be the last to actually sideload or even look for another App Store (unless someone like AARP or Med does one...)
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
If they are called by “Apple” informing them that their iPhone has a virus and the helpful person on the phone is going to do EVERYTHING in their power to make sure that their bank details are still safe, they’ll load it. As I was looking into this, I found a story about what appeared to be a reasonably savvy mother with a daughter that works in tech that was on the phone with these people for 5 hours before eventually getting to the point where she felt she should call her daughter. Of course AFTER they’d already obtain multiple thousands of dollars.
It’s not a matter of would it happen if sideloading was available, more how many folks would be scammed in the first day.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
I was looking for how prevalent this was on Android and I couldn’t find any exact details, just articles that mention many users never use anything but the Google Play store. Google’s GOT to have detailed information, though. Don’t all these systems call home? We should even know how many of them have a store installed other than Google Play.
Michael Scrip
macrumors G3
If we can't find the data in this great information-age we're living in... I'm gonna say the data doesn't exist.
It doesn't appear that sideloading is prevalent on Android... even though it is always touted as a benefit of Android over iOS.
Hell... if Epic couldn't get Android users to sideload Fortnite, arguably the most popular game in the world, why would people sideload a lesser-known game? Or a dumb little calculator app?
But that's Android. Who knows if sideloading iOS apps would fare better if it was allowed?
I'm still gonna say no. But what do I know...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
Those are similar to the data points I found. No measurable number of folks doing it, Epic not even being able to get people who WANT to play their game, to sideload Fortnite… The ability to sideload on Android doesn’t appear to be important to the vast majority of folks using Android. At least, not important enough for them to actually sideload anything.If we can't find the data in this great information-age we're living in... I'm gonna say the data doesn't exist.
It doesn't appear that sideloading is prevalent on Android... even though it is always touted as a benefit of Android over iOS.
Hell... if Epic couldn't get Android users to sideload Fortnite, arguably the most popular game in the world, why would people sideload a lesser-known game? Or a dumb little calculator app?
But that's Android. Who knows if sideloading iOS apps would fare better if it was allowed?
I'm still gonna say no. But what do I know...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I did a quick search to see if the same kind of coordinated “email, SMS, call, coerce” thing existed on Android… and of course it does.
Dangerous Android scam drains your bank account with one phone call
Android device owners now have another scam to watch out for as a dangerous malware campaign spreads to new regions. Cybersecurity experts from Cleafy say that they have seen a spike in Android remote access trojan (RAT) infections over the past year. According to Cleafy, BRATA – a malware first...
That part where someone talks a user into downloading a malicious app? Currently, impossible on iOS.
dk001
macrumors demi-god
But that happens irrespective of any changes that are being requested of Apple. That stuff happens today. Has nothing to do with side loading or alternative payment options.
Unregistered 4U
macrumors G4
A malicious actor getting a user to sideload a malicious app does NOT currently happen on iOS. It WOULD happen if sideloading were available.
THIS
Dangerous Android scam drains your bank account with one phone call
Android device owners now have another scam to watch out for as a dangerous malware campaign spreads to new regions. Cybersecurity experts from Cleafy say that they have seen a spike in Android remote access trojan (RAT) infections over the past year. According to Cleafy, BRATA – a malware first...
dk001
macrumors demi-god
A malicious actor getting a user to sideload a malicious app does NOT currently happen on iOS. It WOULD happen if sideloading were available.
THIS
Can ONLY happen on iOS if sideloading is made available on iOS.
Dangerous Android scam drains your bank account with one phone call
Android device owners now have another scam to watch out for as a dangerous malware campaign spreads to new regions. Cybersecurity experts from Cleafy say that they have seen a spike in Android remote access trojan (RAT) infections over the past year. According to Cleafy, BRATA – a malware first...www.yahoo.com
That’s playing the “what if” game and assuming that side loading would be a big thing amongst the elderly. Something I personally doubt.
rhett7660
macrumors G5
That is the problem we are talking about people. As we have seen from online forums or social media, the world is full of people who are not up to par when it comes to technology.
I am wondering if someone sideloads an app and it does something, likes takes money etc, if Apple will be on the hook or once you side load, it is all on the individual?