All iPads I'm angry with Apple, and Disappointed (Safari reloading tabs)

[Count Blah]

Link me one page like that and I will check.
I'm browsing several pages with embedded videos and I'm not experiencing all the crashes your are speaking of ....

Actually I had a couple of crashes since iPad air purchase and ZERO with my iPhone 5S.

What in an say is that Mercury Browser is much better, and it can load several,tabs without reloading, while Safari cannot.
Safari surely has memory leaks.
But I cannot see all these crashes you are speaking about, and I'm using my iDevices very very much.

For me t ALWAYS happens, in the above situation, when using any of a ton of different messages boards from - http://www.invisionpower.com - that allow embedded video.

I'll try finding you some others. Other people have pointed out problem sites, but the response has always been "poorly written site". So I'm not sure what you would accept.

 

[iphnhelp]

Just did a quick test in chrome. Loaded the same number of tabs(4) and switched back a forth. Safari reloaded. Chrome did not. This should be good news because it means it's in software and they can fix Safari.

 

[master-ceo]

Chrome reloads and crashes too. Matter of fact Chrome is the crash king on iOS.

 

[samiznaetekto]

Try nin.com.

LOL

If I told you to stick your head into a guillotine to illustrate the point that guillotine is a very dangerous thing, would you?

Load this (expletive deleted) in Safari on your Mac and bring up the Web Inspector. 439 resources, tons of hidden frames (pinging Facebook and such), 79 warnings. Twitter buttons with giant chunks of HTML. Etc.

I would avoid this site as malware. Desktop browser can handle it probably due to potentially unlimited virtual memory (swap file). When I inspected it in Activity Monitor, it was showing usage of 465MB of RAM just for this site, plus 265MB consumed by Flash Player. How can iPad handle so much crapola when it only has ~500MB of usable RAM?! (and no swap file)

iPad does have a tab reload issue, but these "try nin.com bro" "tests" are ridiculous. You might as well visit known malware sites to find out that malware, well, works!

By the way, buffer overruns are hackers' favorite way to execute arbitrary code on your computer... or iPad.

Un-F-believable.

 

[Dmunjal]

LOL

If I told you to stick your head into a guillotine to illustrate the point that guillotine is a very dangerous thing, would you?

Load this (expletive deleted) in Safari on your Mac and bring up the Web Inspector. 439 resources, tons of hidden frames (pinging Facebook and such), 79 warnings. Twitter buttons with giant chunks of HTML. Etc.

I would avoid this site as malware. Desktop browser can handle it probably due to potentially unlimited virtual memory (swap file). When I inspected it in Activity Monitor, it was showing usage of 465MB of RAM just for this site, plus 265MB consumed by Flash Player. How can iPad handle so much crapola when it only has ~500MB of usable RAM?! (and no swap file)

iPad does have a tab reload issue, but these "try nin.com bro" "tests" are ridiculous. You might as well visit known malware sites to find out that malware, well, works!

By the way, buffer overruns are hackers' favorite way to execute arbitrary code on your computer... or iPad.

Un-F-believable.

I've never used this site nor do I ever plan to. It's a test. It works on every other mobile device I've tried with no issues but crashes on an iPad. We're trying to find out what's wrong with the iPad. If you have another site to test, I'd be happy to try it.

Why is it always someone else's mistake and not Apple's?

 

[Max(IT)]

For me t ALWAYS happens, in the above situation, when using any of a ton of different messages boards from - http://www.invisionpower.com - that allow embedded video.

I'll try finding you some others. Other people have pointed out problem sites, but the response has always been "poorly written site". So I'm not sure what you would accept.

I can surely say that nin.com is a very poorly designed website.
Never had a crash in any messages boards, using Mercury Browser (Safari reloads tabs, but doesn't crash for me).

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I've never used this site nor do I ever plan to. It's a test. It works on every other mobile device I've tried with no issues but crashes on an iPad. We're trying to find out what's wrong with the iPad. If you have another site to test, I'd be happy to try it.

Why is it always someone else's mistake and not Apple's?

If you design a site who needs around 700 Mb of ram to be displayed, well, you are not so smart ....

I'm going to try that site on different mobile devices.

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How about your 5S? The resolution on the 5S is much less than the Air.

I'll check it in a while, but I strongly suspect it will be the same.

 

[Dmunjal]

you design a site who needs around 700 Mb of ram to be displayed, well, you are not so smart

I think that's the point. Does is really require 700 MB or is Safari leaking memory on certain complex sites?

Edit: just tried this site on a Galaxy S4. I had 1GB in use and .78GB free. After loading up this site, I have .52G free. That's about 260MB used. Big difference huh?

 

[Max(IT)]

I think that's the point. Does is really require 700 MB or is Safari leaking memory on certain complex sites?

Surely mercury browser has the same requirement, and Safari on my Mac also.
I saw a very interesting behavior after the test: the free ram after the crash was more than 620 Mb. More than after a fresh boot.
So iOS 7 memory manager was trying hard to free up all the memory for the website.

 

[macfacts]

Safari just crashed on me with one tab.

Go to www.walmart.ca > store locator, scroll and zoom around in the map. Safari didn't even have a chance with 1GB ram. Settings > about > diagnostics and usage > diagnostics and usage data >> I see a big list of "LowMemory" logs.

 

[Max(IT)]

I think that's the point. Does is really require 700 MB or is Safari leaking memory on certain complex sites?

Edit: just tried this site on a Galaxy S4. I had 1GB in use and .78GB free. After loading up this site, I have .52G free. That's about 260MB used. Big difference huh?

No, not so big.
I tried on the iPhone 5s and the site loaded without any problem. It still requires more memory than your galaxy (around 350 Mb) but not so much as on the iPad.

Btw speaking about memory, on the iPhone (1 Gb) there are about 550 mb free, on the Galaxy S4 (2 Gb) there are less than 800 Mb free.
Speaking about optimized operative systems ....

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NEW UPDATE: tried with Mercury instead of Safari. More than 180 Mb of free ram !
So we can draw some conclusion:
- Safari is buggy in memory management;
- the iPad version of Safari is a nightmare;
- the problem isn't the "only 1 Gb of ram" itself, since iOS is much more optimized than other OSs.

Not sure if they can fix Safari quickly, I don't know how much code rewriting it would need, but my solution will be the use of Mercury Browser, especially on the iPad ....

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Going to send a feedback at Apple on this, and I strongly suggest you to do the same.
A lot of people whining here and on other forums, but very few reported issues at Apple.

 

[SAIRUS]

Wouldn't be too surprised if this is happening on purpose, so when it doesn't happen on a more expensive iPad Pro, one will feel like upgrading.

 

[Max(IT)]

Wouldn't be too surprised if this is happening on purpose, so when it doesn't happen on a more expensive iPad Pro, one will feel like upgrading.

This kind of accusations are just ridiculous ....

It could be the aliens, trying to invade Earth. It makes the same sense ....

 

[s2mikey]

LOL

If I told you to stick your head into a guillotine to illustrate the point that guillotine is a very dangerous thing, would you?

Load this (expletive deleted) in Safari on your Mac and bring up the Web Inspector. 439 resources, tons of hidden frames (pinging Facebook and such), 79 warnings. Twitter buttons with giant chunks of HTML. Etc.

I would avoid this site as malware. Desktop browser can handle it probably due to potentially unlimited virtual memory (swap file). When I inspected it in Activity Monitor, it was showing usage of 465MB of RAM just for this site, plus 265MB consumed by Flash Player. How can iPad handle so much crapola when it only has ~500MB of usable RAM?! (and no swap file)

iPad does have a tab reload issue, but these "try nin.com bro" "tests" are ridiculous. You might as well visit known malware sites to find out that malware, well, works!

By the way, buffer overruns are hackers' favorite way to execute arbitrary code on your computer... or iPad.

Un-F-believable.

I have to agree here. Some of the websites that people are asking us to try are a tad silly and have ZERO value added to life so why bother? I don't care how many android devices go there without any trouble.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem here with safari but the "test cases" are getting out of hand.

 

[petvas]

I think we should give the iPad some more time..Apple will fix the issues..

 

[Altis]

Roll your eyes all you like. The browser is built upon a well established framework. You act, with your rolling eyes, like this would be simple to fix. Sorry, but you can't just redo safari so simy. The entire foundation that safari is built upon has to be redone to NOT bust through this RAM issue. Apple knowing this could have delayed the release until the software was ready, put more RAM in, or said screw the peasants - let them eat cake, we need our margins.

Which do you think they chose?

Apple is VERY similar to the NFL(american football). No matter how many stupid rules they put in, no matter how they screw up the game with zillions of commercials, charge a ton for parking/consessions, etc... It's the only game in town for those who like professional football. The same with apple - they can release a buggy product, and thy can still sell a ton. And folks like you and others who bend over backwards excusing the practice, cannot tell others that emperor has a wonder new set of clothes. We can tell the emperor has no clothes.

When did I ever say it was a simple fix? My whole post was about how it's a software problem, not hardware. It was a reply to someone who claimed that iOS 7 uses more RAM because of the higher resolution, which doesn't even make sense given that iOS 6 ran on the same resolutions.

Folks like me "bend over backwards excusing the practice"? I don't excuse any practices around here.. I have no idea where that one came from. You're the one defending them based on their margins, as if I give a hoot about their margins over my user experience. I don't excuse sloppy iOS 7, its lag, or its crashes

There were some memory tests done on Safari recently by another member and he outlined how just simply scrolling back and forth on 7.1b2 used much more memory than you would expect on a complex website causing a crash. This is definitely a problem with how Safari is coded.

I sure hope they patch that up soon.

 

[Dmunjal]

I sure hope they patch that up soon.

This is the big issue: time. 7.1 might not be out until March which is six months after the Air came out. Might be worth waiting six more months for the next generation with 2GB. It's a great device but browsing isn't that good of an experience right now.

 

[Altis]

This is the big issue: time. 7.1 might not be out until March which is six months after the Air came out. Might be worth waiting six more months for the next generation with 2GB. It's a great device but browsing isn't that good of an experience right now.

I know, it's a really long time to go with so many flaws. As much as iOS 6 looks really chunky now, I'd still go back to it for the speed and reliability until they fix that for iOS 7.

 

[sracer]

I have to agree here. Some of the websites that people are asking us to try are a tad silly and have ZERO value added to life so why bother? I don't care how many android devices go there without any trouble.

There isn't a problem, you're just using the internet wrong.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem here with safari but the "test cases" are getting out of hand.

If you are annoyed by this, then the solution is simple... ignore this thread.

 

[samiznaetekto]

Search for nin.com on MR forums returns 233 results. Such a persistence to make more users to crash their browsers and the recent revelations about NSA gaining remote access to iDevices by using browser vulnerabilities makes one wonder what the F is going on here.

Those who visited nin.com should consider sticking a piece of tape over their cameras at the very least. Better yet, gift your iPad to someone you hate.

 

[Max(IT)]

I think we should give the iPad some more time..Apple will fix the issues..

Yes, but Apple isn't going to fix bad designed websites

 

[petvas]

Yes, but Apple isn't going to fix bad designed websites

No, but they should fix Safari so that it doesn't crash.

 

[Max(IT)]

No, but they should fix Safari so that it doesn't crash.

I know in forums like this people don't waste time in reading other's post, but I did a fairly accurate test on this issue, and report about it (here and at Apple by feedback).
Safari surely needs improvements, but it's not really the crash what's wrong. Crashes are the results of a LowMemory error, and after each one I checked for the free memory, found it was above 600 Mb (while after a fresh reboot it is at about 520-560 Mb). So Safari / iOS 7 were trying hard to free up memory and avoid crashes, but they were just unable.
What's really wrong is that Safari eats up a lot of memory di render webpages, something like 30-40% more than other browsers (I compared it to Mercury).
Another big issue, but I think it is more related to iOS than Safari, is that every launched app after being closed doesn't relieve all the occupied ram, and I don't know why.
I did a comparative test with an iPad 4 (iOS 7 32 bit) and iPad Air (iOS 7 64 bit) with the same apps installed and loaded.
I run 4 apps and look for free memory available: the difference was very little (90 Mb for the Air, 120 Mb for the iPad 4).
Then I closed all the apps and look for the free ram again: the difference was huge ! About 450 Mb on the iPad 4, but only about 200 Mb for the Air.
When I did open Safari in this condition was stable on the iPad 4, but very prone to tabs reload and crashes due to LowMemory on the Air.

 

[master-ceo]

This is the big issue: time. 7.1 might not be out until March which is six months after the Air came out. Might be worth waiting six more months for the next generation with 2GB. It's a great device but browsing isn't that good of an experience right now.

Exactly! Best to skip this one for now imo

 

[richardbb85]

I think we should give the iPad some more time..Apple will fix the issues..

ipad air 5 will be out by then, keep dreaming

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there was this one time i had only 3 tabs open but i could just switch between tabs and it will just keep refreshing. wish i took a video of it

 

[dgdosen]

Saying that the passage from 32 to 64 bit doubles the required memory is plain false.

Needing to defend myself. OK - "double the memory footprint" is an offhand overstatement, but there is an increase, and depending on the app, significant.

Is it the cause of the issue? - let's look at the evidence:
- Crashes from LowMemory errors
- A definite increase in the memory footprint of apps recompiled for 64 bit
- An already low memory limit set by Apple to keep costs down.

When you're already dealing with little or no excess capacity (pre 64 bit days) then, all else remaining equal, putting a further constraint on those resources becomes a major problem.

So Apple has two options
- more memory (iPad Mini Retina 2?)
- better memory management to reduce the effect (I'm sure they're working on it)