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All iPads I'm angry with Apple, and Disappointed (Safari reloading tabs)

ZBoater said:
Ok, so I'm quoting you here, so don't shoot the messenger.

So the iPhone 4 didn't have issues, but now it does.

Did the RAM in the iPhone 4 shrink? :confused:
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Right.
iPhone and iPad 2 were fine in web browsing ... What is changed is the iOS version.

jonnyb098 said:
Yeah now multiply that by how ever many million iPads apple makes. They are a business. Every dollar counts in the end.

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This is apples first 64 bit chip for ios. Growing pains may apply. I know this issue is annoying but it's not really a deal breaker. I'm much more concerned with the random resprings. That's something that literally inhibits what you are doing.
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I agree with you.
I'm giving apple the time to fix or improve it.
But I strongly think issues are correlated: resprings are caused by LowMemory errors.

l0gikb0mb said:
So clueless. It's called software updates which require more ram. iOS 7 requires a lot more memory than iOS 6.
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This. And iPhone 4 / iPad 2 were running iOS 5, which required less memory than iOS 6.



By the way, and THIS IS IMPORTANT, right now I'm using Mercury Browser Pro, I have 4 TABS opened with pictures an forums, a couple of app running in background and switching between tabs isn't causing any reloads ! Safari can't do that !
I think Mercury Browser is a 32-bit App .... so here we are again: 64-bit memory issue.
 
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Max(IT) said:
By the way, and THIS IS IMPORTANT, right now I'm using Mercury Browser Pro, I have 4 TABS opened with pictures an forums, a couple of app running in background and switching between tabs isn't causing any reloads ! Safari can't do that !
I think Mercury Browser is a 32-bit App .... so here we are again: 64-bit memory issue.
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What about chrome? It still does the same thing to me, though with less crashing.
 
Ezhik said:
What about chrome? It still does the same thing to me, though with less crashing.
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I don't know about Chrome. Now I'm testing mercury browser and the difference is huge comparing it with Safari: 4 tabs and 4 apps opened and not a single reload.
 
Max(IT) said:
I don't know about Chrome. Now I'm testing mercury browser and the difference is huge comparing it with Safari: 4 tabs and 4 apps opened and not a single reload.
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I haven't had any trouble safari on my Air but the Atomic browser has been solid for me too. Worth checking out as another alternative.
 
Max(IT) said:
We could send him a dollar and half for each iPad :D
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Imagine the media buzz generated by a Kickstarter campaign where supporters pledge $1.38 each for 1GB->2GB RAM upgrade. When a certain goal is reached (say, $1M), a big check is cut and publicly presented to Tim Cook. Somebody has to do it!
 
l0gikb0mb said:
So clueless. It's called software updates which require more ram. iOS 7 requires a lot more memory than iOS 6.
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I'm not entirely sure why it would use up that much more. You can run a desktop OS and have several windows and tabs of web pages open, software running, etc, all under 1 GB of RAM.

iOS 7 is visually different but it isn't doing so much more than it eats up all the RAM - there aren't that many new features, and many of them can be disabled, offering no benefit to the RAM issues. And if it runs on devices with 512 MB of RAM, then why is it all used up running the same OS with 1 GB of RAM?

It consumes so much more power to constantly reload pages off cellular data all the time, not to mention wasted time, data, and sometimes it messes up your pages if you had input data.
 
samiznaetekto said:
If Apple makes, say, $300 of profit on average on each iPad sold, then if only $1.38/$300*100% ~ 0.5% of customers decided to buy Android or Windows instead of iPad because of Safari reload issue, Apple will lose revenue. This doesn't make any business sense.
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Yeah except everyone here is blowing hot air and still keeping their iPads. It's like the antenna gate issue in 2010. Everyone was complaining but no one was returning their iPhones.
 
Altis said:
I'm not entirely sure why it would use up that much more. You can run a desktop OS and have several windows and tabs of web pages open, software running, etc, all under 1 GB of RAM.

iOS 7 is visually different but it isn't doing so much more than it eats up all the RAM - there aren't that many new features, and many of them can be disabled, offering no benefit to the RAM issues. And if it runs on devices with 512 MB of RAM, then why is it all used up running the same OS with 1 GB of RAM?

It consumes so much more power to constantly reload pages off cellular data all the time, not to mention wasted time, data, and sometimes it messes up your pages if you had input data.
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From what I'm seeing today, it's not iOS 7 but it's Safari, since I still have to see a single reload by Mercury Browser :confused:
 
jonnyb098 said:
Yeah except everyone here is blowing hot air and still keeping their iPads. It's like the antenna gate issue in 2010. Everyone was complaining but no one was returning their iPhones.
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No one (0%) is a pretty strong statement. 0.5% is a very small number, 1 in 200 users. It's hard to notice, but not impossible that 1 in 200 users did return their iPhones, or the underRAMed iPads, or were considering buying it but turned to look elsewhere.

Adollarandthirtyeightcentsgate. :D
 
samiznaetekto said:
No one (0%) is a pretty strong statement. 0.5% is a very small number, 1 in 200 users. It's hard to notice, but not impossible that 1 in 200 users did return their iPhones, or the underRAMed iPads, or were considering buying it but turned to look elsewhere.

Adollarandthirtyeightcentsgate. :D
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Well, return rates for the 4 were much lower than the return rates fort he 3GS. Not saying it was absolutely zero but close to it. Much lower than its predecessor.

People are free to look elsewhere but most people aren't going to get a better overall experience. A ton of people are buying other tablets and never end up using them much. It's really about the apps. Whatever little issues or pricing concerns people have are almost always overshadowed by the quality of the apps and higher rate of use. It's obviously working.
 
jonnyb098 said:
Yeah except everyone here is blowing hot air and still keeping their iPads. It's like the antenna gate issue in 2010. Everyone was complaining but no one was returning their iPhones.
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Maybe no one that you know. It's hard to tell what impact that had. That's the nature of things like this. No one really knows until it becomes a big deal.

The pushback against iOS7, 1GB iPad Air, alleged poor quality of iPad mini displays, etc. may individually not be felt by Apple, but if that discontent gains momentum it could become an issue for Apple to deal with.

In the meantime, people need to make decisions based on what is currently available... not what is wished or hoped for.
 
Max(IT) said:
From what I'm seeing today, it's not iOS 7 but it's Safari, since I still have to see a single reload by Mercury Browser :confused:
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I should have been more specific... I believe the issue is with the iOS 7 version of Safari. :D

Tabs of web pages don't actually take up that much RAM. I think if these devices can run Infinity Blade, they can probably maintain a few web pages ;)
 
Altis said:
I should have been more specific... I believe the issue is with the iOS 7 version of Safari. :D

Tabs of web pages don't actually take up that much RAM. I think if these devices can run Infinity Blade, they can probably maintain a few web pages ;)
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You are right.
 
jonnyb098 said:
Well, return rates for the 4 were much lower than the return rates fort he 3GS. Not saying it was absolutely zero but close to it. Much lower than its predecessor.

People are free to look elsewhere but most people aren't going to get a better overall experience. A ton of people are buying other tablets and never end up using them much. It's really about the apps. Whatever little issues or pricing concerns people have are almost always overshadowed by the quality of the apps and higher rate of use. It's obviously working.
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I was only disputing the argument that $1.38 multiplied by millions of buyers gives Apple billions $$ of profit. As I showed, if out of 200 buyers even only one returns iPad for full refund because of frustration with Safari, the net result is negative for Apple, they are not gaining that $1.38 profit. That customer may not get a better experience elsewhere, but $275 of "Adollarandthirtyeightcentsgate" profit gained from 199 buyers will be negated by $300 of profit lost in no sale.
 
s2mikey said:
I haven't had any trouble safari on my Air but the Atomic browser has been solid for me too. Worth checking out as another alternative.
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I've been running Atomic Tabbed for a couple of weeks and aside from a couple of crashes I've not had a single tab reload or refresh.
 
Max(IT) said:
I'm not saying the problem is not existent. I'm saying it's annoying and it's related to Safari or to 64-bit iOS 7 implementation.
BTW I'm trying Atomic Web Browser and Mercury to see if it's related to Safari only.

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We could send him a dollar and half for each iPad :D

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You are the first I saw who said 7.1b2 didn't solve the problem.
I can't try by myself ....
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I can guarantee you it doesn't solve the problem. That's all I can say, obviously.
 
ZBoater said:
I can't help it if you automatically assume that RAM is causing iOS issues, and I have used plenty of iDevices with no issues whatsoever.

So, specifically, about the Safari reloading tabs on the iPad Air (since you brought up iDevices), you think the inordinate amount of reloading is caused by lack of RAM? I disagree. I've seen iDevices with half the RAM of the Air work fine. It's not a RAM issue. And no matter how much RAM Google puts into their devices, the cause of the Air's issue is not going to change.
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It might be a RAM issue. I think it detracts from the discussion to say it isn't. We don't know for sure but I'd bet Apple knows already and is trying to fix it. The reason to suspect memory - Apple went from 32bit to 64bit processing on 5s, mini retina and air... doubling the memory requirements to that on previous devices, but they didn't increase the memory in the devices. Just another way to save money. It has nothing to do with what any other vendor did.
 
louden said:
It might be a RAM issue. I think it detracts from the discussion to say it isn't. We don't know for sure but I'd bet Apple knows already and is trying to fix it. The reason to suspect memory - Apple went from 32bit to 64bit processing on 5s, mini retina and air... doubling the memory requirements to that on previous devices, but they didn't increase the memory in the devices. Just another way to save money. It has nothing to do with what any other vendor did.
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Saying that the passage from 32 to 64 bit doubles the required memory is plain false.

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macfacts said:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/12/30/s...gb-lpddr4-chips-for-smartphones-with-4gb-ram/

Samsung is selling 4GB ram for mobile devices now. Sad that Apple still uses 1GB.
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They announced it a few days ago ... It's something we are going to see later next year ....

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Charliebird said:
Someone in the media finally picked up on this story. Although, I can't say I'm impressed with the quality of this journalism since I highly doubt Adobe Flash Player has anything with it. :rolleyes:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2083255/tablet-users-report-hassles-with-balky-browsers.html
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What do you expect from PcWorld ? :rolleyes:
The issue has nothing to do with Adobe Flash ...
 
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