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Had a totally different experience with the N7.2. BUT, that's irrelevant to YOUR experieniOS. But I certainly don't believe 'Apple better take notice'....they can't keep these in stock.

I take it you don't own one? Again, I won't repeat. Already tltr...but, it's anything BUT a crashing machine. It's an absolute home run. And those that disagree, cool....find something else as the tens of millions of Air and rMini owners enjoy theirs, apparently because we just LOVE owning "The Ultimate Crashing Machine!"

Not so fast my friend, I do indeed have The Ultimate Crashing Machine, but it's going back to Staples after seeing it in action... Four tabs open, clicking on the 4th tab-- CRASH in about a second!!! Just like it's designed to do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eKIbtb1ErU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Hope watching that doesn't crash yours!

Yeah, sure Apple's selling a lot of Airs to the unwashed masses who don't know the difference between RAM and RUM. Apple could have hit a home run with this release, but it's more like an infield single.
 
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Why there is only one tab showing up, while other people can use tabs like in safari? All of my other tabs are in right corner - blue dots...

Had to clear history and cache... So weird.
 

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Simple, the Air is the "Ultimate Crashing Machine".

You've never seen a OS bug before, have you? :confused:

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Yeah, sure Apple's selling a lot of Airs to the unwashed masses who don't know the difference between RAM and RUM. Apple could have hit a home run with this release, but it's more like an infield single.

I'm confused. What's your definition of "home run"? Selling 300 million instead of 200? :confused:
 
It's $150 for a reason. Good luck with that one. Looking forward to the day you decide to pick up an iPad again. You'll be back. They all come back. :)

I wouldn't bother replying to her. I think it's actually some sort of crazy bot who resets itself on a weekly basis. It always starts out with I bought an Android XXXX or Windows XXXX and it's 1000 times better than an iPad and how Apple is awful company. But it always winds up talking about it's iPad Air and rMini at the end of the week. Possibly a Microsoft and Android Bot somehow accidentally merged into a hybrid bot and it's gone haywire. I am sure that it feeds off peoples replies and grows stronger.
 
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Excellent to hear. That's another issue I've been having.

So far, iOS 7.1 looks to be the must-have update for all Air users. There's no reason not to update to it as soon as it comes out. It have resolved many of the crashing issues with Safari, along with other apps using WebViews.
 
So far, iOS 7.1 looks to be the must-have update for all Air users. There's no reason not to update to it as soon as it comes out. It have resolved many of the crashing issues with Safari, along with other apps using WebViews.

What about for the retina mini I've had a few crashes with safari , will this new update fix this
And when is it coming out
 
So far, iOS 7.1 looks to be the must-have update for all Air users. There's no reason not to update to it as soon as it comes out. It have resolved many of the crashing issues with Safari, along with other apps using WebViews.

What about for the retina mini I've had a few crashes with safari , will this new update fix this
And when is it coming out

Installed beta 2 yesterday, seems better but still crashed a couple time today while on Facebook.com. This is on my retina mini. Does seem better, but just an initial impression.
 
Safari never crashed for me, but it keeps reloading tabs if there's not enough RAM. At any given times there's about 100 megs of free ram.
 
A 1.3MB web page may only take up 1.3MB of storage space but for the web browser to parse it and display the web page on your screen, it takes up much much more than 1.3MB of ram.

How much more. 50X more? I don't think so. Parsing HTML is not rocket science. Throwing these red herrings out doesn't change the facts.
 
How much more. 50X more? I don't think so.

Could be anything. 10x, 100x, 1000x, 1000000x. A 100-byte Javascript snippet can, for example, search the web for "pron" and start loading all of gazillion results, eating all RAM you can throw at it.
 
Could be anything. 10x, 100x, 1000x, 1000000x. A 100-byte Javascript snippet can, for example, search the web for "pron" and start loading all of gazillion results, eating all RAM you can throw at it.

Really? And I'm supposed to throw hardware at a "JavaScript snippet" that does this? So even if I had 2GB of RAM, there could always be a runaway snippet that uses 1000000x more memory than the page itself and use it all up?

So now I'd need 3GB? Maybe 4GB? But what if the snippet decides to download the entire Library of Congress? :confused:

Ok man, whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Really? And I'm supposed to throw hardware at a "JavaScript snippet" that does this? So even if I had 2GB of RAM, there could always be a runaway snippet that uses 1000000x more memory than the page itself and use it all up?

So now I'd need 3GB? Maybe 4GB? But what if the snippet decides to download the entire Library of Congress? :confused:

Ok man, whatever. :rolleyes:

Many heavy sites (like The Verge) consume hundreds of times more RAM that the size of raw HTML. It seems you have no understanding of how computers work, whatsoever. :D
 
Many heavy sites (like The Verge) consume hundreds of times more RAM that the size of raw HTML. It seems you have no understanding of how computers work, whatsoever. :D

And where was it exactly that I referred to just raw HTML?

Go read the web page analysis. The 1.3MB average page size includes images. :rolleyes:

It seems you lack reading comprehension skills.

Can you please find out exactly how much space the Verge homepage uses up before you come in here making stuff up? Hundred of times more? You don't know how much, do you? You just pull a number out of your... keyboard and throw it out there?

I linked you to a web analytical page that measures the 10,000 most popular sites and measures them. Precisely. Not made up. So between this and your infamous PacMan JavaScript snippet that consumes a million times more RAM, I think I've had enough of wild speculation and made up stuff. Another addition to my ignore list Hall of Fame.
 
And where was it exactly that I referred to just raw HTML?

Go read the web page analysis. The 1.3MB average page size includes images. :rolleyes:

It seems you lack reading comprehension skills.

HTML files, image files, script files, Flash files, CSS files are all resources. The RAM footprint of a rendered web page, however, can be many times more that the sum of sizes of all resources.

I'll try to explain it in kindergarten terms. When you walk into a restaurant and say, I want a burger, the overall "footprint" of what needs to happen for you to just walk in and get your burger is millions of times larger than just the 0.5lbs that the burger physically weighs. Giant farms need to exist to produce meat, fields from horizon to horizon growing vegetables, machinery to process and deliver the ingredients, millions of workers employed, stores built, banks exist, computers programmed... ad infinum. For you, it's only 0.5lbs of "resources", but what you don't see is the giant mechanism that makes it actually happen.

Same with loading a web page. Sure it's only 1.3MB including all images and scripts, but to deliver all this in the format you want takes the giant infrastructure of libraries and RAM allocation. It's as if you ordered a burger, and they brought to you the farms, the cows, the machines, the workers, etc. and piled all of this in front of you.

Does this make it easier for you to understand? :D

Can you please find out exactly how much space the Verge homepage uses up before you come in here making stuff up? Hundred of times more? You don't know how much, do you? You just pull a number out of your... keyboard and throw it out there?

On my non-retina MBP, The Verge consumed about 70MB of ram. On retina iPad, it surely will be more, since each region that needs to be rendered consumes 4x more pixels.

Do this. Open Activity Monitor on your Mac, click Memory tab, enter "safari" in search field. You'll see a bunch of items "Safari Web Content". Report your finding here.

Now, when you open Safari on your iPad, you may have a paltry 100 megs of RAM free initially. Compare this with your finding from Activity Monitor and it's no wonder anymore why Safari reloads the tabs.
 
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Installed beta 2 yesterday, seems better but still crashed a couple time today while on Facebook.com. This is on my retina mini. Does seem better, but just an initial impression.

Didn't see any crashes on Facebook.com. What were you doing exactly before it crash, just loading the login page or were you logged in already? If logging in, was there a lot of images and/or videos?

If you can reproduce it, I'd recommend strongly to file a radar with Apple on this.
 
I would definitely ask for a refund, and if they do not handle your inquiries well, switch. While Apple does make the best products imo, they are not above the market.
 
Quick question guys, is this just the iPad Air? or this an issue on all iPads running iOS 7? I ask because I almost pulled the trigger on an original mini tonight but I frequently check these boards for random deals that I might've missed on my own before my purchase, stumbled upon this thread, and it scared me away from buying tonight. In any case are the original Mini's okay on iOS 7? because I'd use this tablet to read tech blogs in bed and I usually open tabs to all the sites I plan to browse and close them as I finish that site.
 
Quick question guys, is this just the iPad Air? or this an issue on all iPads running iOS 7? I ask because I almost pulled the trigger on an original mini tonight but I frequently check these boards for random deals that I might've missed on my own before my purchase, stumbled upon this thread, and it scared me away from buying tonight. In any case are the original Mini's okay on iOS 7? because I'd use this tablet to read tech blogs in bed and I usually open tabs to all the sites I plan to browse and close them as I finish that site.

The original mini had 512mb RAM (same as a $29.99 off contract Android phone LOL) so obviously web browsing with multiple tabs would be a VERY dicey proposition.
 
Quick question guys, is this just the iPad Air? or this an issue on all iPads running iOS 7? I ask because I almost pulled the trigger on an original mini tonight but I frequently check these boards for random deals that I might've missed on my own before my purchase, stumbled upon this thread, and it scared me away from buying tonight. In any case are the original Mini's okay on iOS 7? because I'd use this tablet to read tech blogs in bed and I usually open tabs to all the sites I plan to browse and close them as I finish that site.

As the owner of an ipad3, I can tell you that my experience is very uneven. Sometimes, opening a second Safari tab causes the first to reload. Sometimes, I can run a podcast in the background, open 4-5 tabs, switch over to Lords of Waterdeep (an IOS game), complete my turn, then come back with no issues.

That said, IOS7 is causing my ipad3 to spontaneously reboot quite often. Often when multitasking to or from Safari, but sometimes just randomly. Latest reboot was due to the christmas app offering free Apple content for download. I am tempted to upgrade, but it sounds like the latest iPad models aren't any better. :(
 
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That said, IOS7 is causing my ipad3 to spontaneously reboot quite often. Often when multitasking to or from Safari, but sometimes just randomly. Latest reboot was due to the christmas app offering free Apple content for download. I am tempted to upgrade, but it sounds like the latest iPad models aren't any better. :(

IOS7 spontaneously rebooting on your ipad3 is worst than safari reloading tabs or safari crashing. Your problem is a kernel panic (aka blue screen of death), something wrong with the OS.
 
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