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Or some moron Youtuber trys to Blend it or buys it just to destroy to see how durable it is.
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It's not but thanks for playing. Vega may be slower but it's not that much slower and is quite the performer. There is a reason all the crypto miners buy them.

He’s talking about hash’n. Lovely. Now to educate.

Yes mining is faster on AMD and also is a totally different process. GPU applications using CUDA to handle rendering of 2D/3D data is far faster than anything AMD has. And, I hate even mentioning, as it’s not relevant to “pro apps”, gaming trounces AMD too. This goes more to highlight the differences in the number crunching that’s taking place when mining versus using actual gpu accelerated apps.

Vega is so slow in fact, editors have yanked them from their Windows based systems to install Nvidia products.

Now having said this, iMac/MBP could possibly support external gpus over thunderbolt. Provided there are drivers.
 
Beautiful Machine for big $$$. I understand though given some of the components inside. Looking forward to some detailed reviews...and playing with it at the Apple store.
 
Right. The starting price & options do not seem extreme if you're the kind of person that iMac Pro was built for. If these prices seem extreme, you are not the demographic.

You have to realize that it is one big circle-jerk.

People think that this is targeted at people who product YouTube and wedding videos and those who fall into that space while complaining about cost don't want to buy it as a tool, rather would buy it as part of a dick measuring contest.
 
A bargain compared to a couple decades ago. It once cost about a million dollars to equip a feature film post production facility with a single SGI Onyx2 with framestore and a Discreet Logic Inferno license.

Today, you can spend $13K on the computer. And the Flame license (Inferno deprecated, as is Discreet Logic—bought by Autodesk years ago) can be had via subscription for a lousy $350/month.

That's about $17,500 the first year. And $4,200 the next. If you think that's expensive, you don't know the business of high-end post production. Get with the program.
 
I can’t imagine the component parts of a Windows machine ever coming to a total of $13k.

Mac is a convenience platform, not a power platform. Whoever spends that much on a Mac is crazy, and whoever thought those prices would sell is even crazier. That’s why the trashcan Mac Pro didn’t sell, and that’s why I believe this one won’t either.

Except the same components in a Windows build comes out to equal or more. I also completely disagree with the "not a power platform". As someone who extensively uses Windows, Mac, and Linux I can say without a doubt Mac (and Linux) machines run far faster for far longer than equivalent Windows machines.
 
People should keep in mind that this expensive machine will only make Adobe programs slower (!) If that's your usecase. I would advice people to do your research before buying an expensive machine like this, with a ton of cores.


Not entirely. The single Turbo Boost on the 10-core machine is 4.5GHz, the same as the 7700k (same CPU in the 5K iMac). So you're not slowing down much if anything at all.

As an example: The 7900x is not that much slower at PS than the 7700K in most PS tasks, but is faster at photomerge (something I use quite a bit).

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For Lightroom, the 7900x is a bit slower at some tasks in Lightroom, but significantly faster than the 7700k at exporting

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At Premiere pro, the 7900x is significantly faster than the 7700k (same CPU in the 5K iMac).

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The other thing 8 or 10 cores will allow you to do is multitask without taking a performance dip. Meaning, you can export in Lightroom, and work in PS without a hiccup. Or, in Capture One Pro 10, you can export multiple jobs, and still edit a third job without taking much of a hit, if any. Or work in another app...

So there's definitely reason to have more than a 4-core CPU.

Problem for Mac users, not all Mac users need Xeon processors for their professional work, but they do want/need more than 4 cores. The only place to get this option right now, is with a Windows 10 PC. And that bites...
 
Anyone who buys this before launch of Mac Pro is stupid. Mac Pro specs will blow this out of the water next year.
 
Standard version $4.999 vs 5.499EUR
Middle version 10 core $7.199 vs 8.139EUR
BTO with software $13.300 vs 16.000EUR

16.000EUR ... for 17.500EUR you can buy brand new Hyundai Kona or Hyundai i35 .... and here in Poland average salary is about 600EUR :mad:

Average salary for a week? month? ...year?
 
You have to realize that it is one big circle-jerk.

People think that this is targeted at people who product YouTube and wedding videos and those who fall into that space while complaining about cost don't want to buy it as a tool, rather would buy it as part of a dick measuring contest.

I don't make money in my hobbies but when I shoot video all weekend and my top of the line 5K iMac takes 12 hours to transcode the video so I can actually edit it, I'm wishing I could afford one of these.

I have no plans to brag about having one of these but I would like to work on my videos in 4 hours instead of 12. I am jealous of people that can afford these that need them.
 
Small thought, but who wants crazy mismatched monitors on their 5-10k desktop. Even if your down with thte chin, imac looks like crap in any multimonitor set up
 
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Intel 7900x
Radeon Pro Vega Frontier
128GB DDR4 2400
2TB PCIe NVMe SSD
10Gb Network Card
Windows 10 Pro

= $5,325 + $1,299 (Dell UP2715K display) = $6,625

:p

If ECC RAM isn't needed, then that would more than suffice. The 7900X is essentially a W-2155 anyways. Of course, a Threadripper 1950X would probably save even more.
 
The price debate will always be a thing. For what you’re getting in this form factor, I don’t really have an issue with price.

I’ve been building sub $4000 AMD Threadripper system’s for 2D/3D artists the last couple months. 16-core, 64gb, 1TB M.2, water cooled, 4TB RAID0 media storage, and a GTX1080. The system looks great (NZXT case) and runs quiet. Even under load.

Now that’s great and all, but they’re running Windows. Ew. ;)
 
No to soldered not upgradable parts by user and programmed obsolescence. All-in-one (AIO) computers like iMac are a huge aggression to planet Earth. Computers may last for seven years or less, whereas displays may last for more than 20 years. I am using an Apple Cinema Display 22-inch purchased almost 18 years ago and it works great. And it has been on an average of 15 hours a day, 356 days each year.
 
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Why 128GB and not 64Gb? Price of this ram seems so high... I'm with you on everything else....
Because unlike my current iMac I cannot just open the door on the bottom and add ram. Also these types of use cases use A LOT of ram. 128GB is going to be needed.
 
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GamePC (Silicon Valley company that makes custom workstations) has Xeon W listed in their prices.

iMac Pro - $9,599 (same configuration that MKBHD had)
  • Intel Xeon W-2155 (downclocked)
  • Radeon Pro Vega 64 16 GB HBM2 (downclocked)
  • 128 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
  • 2 TB PCIe NVMe SSD
  • 10 Gb network card
  • MacOS
  • 1 year warranty
GamePC GMT-W7/300 - $6,514 (PC) + $1,299 (Dell UP2715K display) = $7,813
  • Intel Xeon W-2155
  • Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition (Vega 64) 16 GB HBM2
  • 128 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
  • 2 TB PCIe NVMe SSD
  • 10 Gb network card (2x)
  • Windows 10 Pro
  • 1 year warranty
That's $1,786 less for a more powerful workstation that can be upgraded and won't have thermal throttling.
There’s a reason people by HP, Lenovo and Dell when it comes to PC workstations. One of them is buying a guaranteed, tested configuration that the manufacturer stands behind, with respect to service and support. US-only companies need only nationwide service, but enterprise customers tend to need worldwide service. That doesn’t come free.

A one year parts warranty on that GamePC is in no way comparable to the 3+ year service and support that an HP, Lenovo, Dell or Apple offers. ($169 for 3 years with Apple.)

In a corporate/enterprise environment, that GamePC workstation at $7,800 would never be an option. If that thing were down for even a day, it could easily cost them more than $2k in lost productivity, depending on the application.
 
I don't think those people use such computer. They recruit somebody else to use computer. Also rich people are not always spending money on something that's not showcasing their wealth.

I don't know if this is naive or ignorant. Why would "those people" not use a computer? Some of "those" people earn a living using a computer. A VERY good living. And why they would spend that much on a computer.

Stop projecting your feelings and rational on the rest of society. People do many things for many reasons. Rich, poor, successful, failures. We're really all very similar, just different wealth brackets. All money does is give you the ability to purchase expensive items w/o fear of spending "all" your money.
 
Maybe it's just me being greedy, but the education discount is always so small. But it's better than nothing.



Maybe to you, to others it may be a power platform. Whatever floats your boat. Besides, just because it doesn't sell as many units doesn't mean it isn't important. There aren't very many people who make movies, but a lot of people watch the movie maker's products. However, I would like to see something more like the Cheesegrater Mac Pro and various Power Macs where you could actually add/replace multiple drives, PCIe cards, etc.
It is simply impractical to make something in the form-factor of the iMac AND have decent upgradability. If you want that, then wait for the Modular Mac Pro.

Besides, people have been routinely spending 5 times and more than a maxed-out iMac Pro for basic transportation, when all it does is get you from one place to another without getting wet in the rain, and THEY don't whine about not being able to "upgrade" their engine, transmission, seats, headlights, etc. after the sale. In fact, of ALL the "technological" things we buy in our modern lives, DVD/BD players, AV Receivers, Microwave Ovens, Smartphones, Lawn Tractors, Televisions, Tablets, Synthesizers, Oxygen Concentrators, et cetera, WHY is it that the ONLY, the ONLY, thing we get ALL upset about being "upgrade-able" is our home Computers, no matter how small, or inexpensive, or tightly-integrated they are?

It's just a throwback to the way computers were first offered for sale, growing out of a hobbyist and DIY market, that has conditioned us to "require" "upgradability".

Well guess what? Those days are coming to an end, and consumers, which a vanishingly small percentage of, actually DO "upgrade" their computers, have only themselves to thank/blame.

I would make a large wager that, in reality, 95% of the world's "upgrade-able" computers go into the dumpster with 100% of their OEM parts inside. And that it has been that way for the past 15-20 years.
 
There’s a reason people by HP, Lenovo and Dell when it comes to PC workstations. One of them is buying a guaranteed, tested configuration that the manufacturer stands behind, with respect to service and support. US-only companies need only nationwide service, but enterprise customers tend to need worldwide service. That doesn’t come free.

A one year parts warranty on that GamerPC is in no way comparable to the 3+ year service and support that an HP, Lenovo, Dell or Apple offers. ($169 for 3 years with Apple.)

In a corporate/enterprise environment, that GamerPC workstation at $7,800 would never be an option. If that thing were down for even a day, it could easily cost them more than $2k in lost productivity, depending on the application.
You should read a bit more into GamePC's (not "GamerPC") corporate customers.

They also offer a 3 year warranty option.

The only reason I used their site was for an easy direct comparison of parts in US pricing (as they're based out of Palo Alto). If you're building a workstation, you can probably optimize the part selection it better for your exact usage.
 
I can’t imagine the component parts of a Windows machine ever coming to a total of $13k.

Mac is a convenience platform, not a power platform. Whoever spends that much on a Mac is crazy, and whoever thought those prices would sell is even crazier. That’s why the trashcan Mac Pro didn’t sell, and that’s why I believe this one won’t either.

Except, if you actually read the article. "and he noted that a PC with equivalent tech specs costs around $5,100" or $200 more. Your conjecture appears to be no-one would run windows on a multi-core Xeon? There aren't many machines out there with those specs, but yes, apparently people do buy them, and they are mega expensive. Even under windows, oh, and you have to pay the Microsoft tax for windows upgrades.

Lastly, Macs with same Intel chips as windows machines, many people say they are better engineered because they run faster and last longer and hold their value better. Seriously, how can one be a power platform and one not?
 
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