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GamePC has been a block or two away from Stanford since 1985. They're not going anywhere.

The iMac Pro is a prosumer device, looking at the hardware configuration it's not hard to see that. I mean, most of the software is on Windows or Linux anyways.
Yes I see you forgot to talk about the software.
 
I just bought a T430s with 8GiB RAM, SSD, dock, and both chargers for $350.
 
The hardware is either shipped to them in Palo Alto, or, depending on the warranty arrangement, they can send parts immediately and receive the failed component at a later date.

Don't get me wrong, they're not going to match a company like Lenovo or Dell with on-site service. Like I said, I used their site as they actually list prices for Xeon W machines.
System builders have a place in the ecosystem, but they’re mainly for hardware nerds that are able to troubleshoot and are comfortable opening up their systems.

I’d pay the extra $2000 in a second to have an HP, Dell or Lenovo workstation that has the necessary service and support. Over the 3 year life of the machine, you’re talking $50/month difference. In the corporate/enterprise world, it’s a no-brainer.
 
Some can, some can't.

And ya know what? ZERO cars, trucks, motorcycles, ATVs, Motorhomes, Buses can.

So what?
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Based on the MBP 2016 and 2017, and the iMac 2017, Apple has learned their lesson about thermal management.

DO try to keep up!
There isn't one of those vehicles that you mentioned that can't be upgraded in one way or another. Not one.
To use your own words, "Do try to keep up!"
 
As CPU's have stagnated, you're right. GPU's is where this iMac "pro" is going to be outdated within 2-3 years with no change of upgrading.
Even TB3 is going to hamstring a Titan V. Which should be an option for this thing as it uses less power than a Vega 64 and blows it completely out of the water....

Interesting tidbit from this article: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ilable-heres-how-people-are-already-using-it/

"We saw the software demonstrated on an iMac Pro with two external GPU enclosures but were not told which GPUs were housed in those enclosures. EGPUs are clearly a part of Apple's strategy for extremely high-end applications, though.

The viewport was in native 4K as a portion of the screen, and we saw images that made heavy use of depth of field, reflections, transparency, and other rendering techniques that are very taxing. The EGPUs were the focus here; the presenter said that Cinema 4D's performance scales linearly as more EGPUs are added."
 
The MP is unlikely to be any less expensive.
May be (for equivalent configuration), if you don't also buy a monitor (i.e. you have one sitting around)
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System builders have a place in the ecosystem, but they’re mainly for hardware nerds that are able to troubleshoot and are comfortable opening up their systems.

I’d pay the extra $2000 in a second to have an HP, Dell or Lenovo workstation that has the necessary service and support. Over the 3 year life of the machine, you’re talking $50/month difference. In the corporate/enterprise world, it’s a no-brainer.

Ah, yes, the famed HP support where they told me that my constantly blue-screening desktop was not eligible for service unless I wiped the hard drive to its original state; installing software (MS office, etc.) made things too confusing for their little brains.
 
I'd consider the base to replace my loaded 2009 Mac Pro, but the non-user upgradable memory nixes it for me. Buying a system for that much and having to commit to how much memory I'd need for the 5+ years I'd want to keep it is a deal breaker (at least until we find out how easy/hard it is to upgrade later).

Kudos though for offering a VESA Mount Adapter Kit from the get go, which has been my other concern as the 27" iMac would sit too high on my desk so I'd want a Mount so I could have it lower.
 
For a historical perspective, if you look at all of the top-of-the-line Macs models stretching back to the late 1980s, the asking prices have typically been in the $4k-$19k range (base model and full-spec, respectively, adjusted for inflation).

So whatever you may say about how much the iMac Pro costs, it's not out of line from what Apple has always charged for their highest-performance products.

...not that I could ever afford one of these.
 
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let‘s not forget that arguably the main reason the imac pro came into existence is the failure of the trashcan mac pro and the time it takes to design a new modular mac pro. the imac pro is a sexy distraction, an interim machine that will look like an impulse buy once the actual pro machine ships (hopefully) next year.

I don't see Apple cannibalizing this that quickly. I don't see a Mac Pro coming anytime soon and hoesntly and when it does it will cost even more than this.
 
Meanwhile Apple is in year 2 of a 3 year process to design a new desktop box...
That's what amazes me. The components are already out there, the PC community has already designed things like cases and power supplies. All Apple has to do is modify the ROM's to be Apple specific and there you go. A workable modular computer at a fraction of the cost that Apple appears to be spending on the process. I guess when you have money to burn (close to 1 Trillion capital worth) a few hundred million (a guess) doesn't seem like all that much.
 
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May be (for equivalent configuration), if you don't also buy a monitor (i.e. you have one sitting around)

I hope you're right! It's not like I need one, but I'd consider buying one just to support the idea. And might retire my current 5,1.
 
Pfft. Still cannot use it as a display (connecting my macbook pro in target display mode). The imacs from 4 years ago had this option.
 
It's just a throwback to the way computers were first offered for sale, growing out of a hobbyist and DIY market, that has conditioned us to "require" "upgradability".

Well guess what? Those days are coming to an end, and consumers, which a vanishingly small percentage of, actually DO "upgrade" their computers, have only themselves to thank/blame.

I would make a large wager that, in reality, 95% of the world's "upgrade-able" computers go into the dumpster with 100% of their OEM parts inside. And that it has been that way for the past 15-20 years.

However, there has been a little bit of a resurgence with the Arduino & Raspberry Pi people.
 
After the sale?

You mean, like putting new air freshener in, or changing the floormats?
No, I mean like higher performance tires, super or turbochargers, freer flowing air cleaners, short or long tube headers to enhance the airflow through the engine. And this is just a VERY small list of upgrades one can do to any one of the vehicles you mentioned.
And don't try to say you meant while under warranty or about EPA regs. That is changing the narrative of your initial post. You made a definitive, undefined statement that was false.
 
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Pfft. Still cannot use it as a display (connecting my macbook pro in target display mode). The imacs from 4 years ago had this option.

I wonder what, if any, changes Apple made to the display compared to the regular 27" iMac. I see that feature fitting in better with the non-Pro iMac. I don't see the point of using a $5000 computer with workstation-class components as a display for a much less powerful laptop.
 
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