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Maybe it would be a better use of your money to get a camera that can shoot a format that doesn't require transcoding or if you have the option to attach an external recorder (Atomos Ninja, Shogun, et al.) that you can record your video into native ProRes format. Just a thought.

I have no idea what you just said. I use an iPhone 8 and a GoPro Hero 6. Can I connect a ninja to that to record in Pro Res?

Again, I'm a hobbyist.
 
Yes. Let's see, make my next 11 mortgage payments on my house, or get this maxed out version of the iMac Pro. I'll take paying my mortgage first any day LOL. Seriously though, lets not get too bent out of shape over price because this machine, while anyone can buy it, is really geared towards professionals, content creators working for a business or a business itself (movie studios for example as mentioned above). I can totally see a business investing in these computers and that is what I figure the primary target will be.

For me personally, this would be overkill by miles and even if I were wealthy and had money to burn I wouldn't spend crazy money like this on a computer ( and I love Apple Products and think they are worth every penny). In the end, its all personal preference.
 
this is nuts. i usually get a middle tier machine. but i dont see me shelling out 8K for that.
and the pro is going to be even more expensive? you lost it guys, and you sure lost me.
What’s your billing rate? How much time would an iMac Pro save you, per day, on average?

Even the top of the line only costs about $300/month after taxes on a 3-year schedule.

If you can increase your billable hours by even 0.25 per day, and you bill $100/hour, that’s an extra $500 per month in revenue.

That’s better than break-even, from day one. And some will save a lot more time than 15 mins a day and/or they bill more than $100/hr.
 
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Win 10 is also free with a Win 7 or 8 key.

Yes the price is competitive for high end specs. But there are plenty of pros that don't need ore require the high end specs. Say a developer - they really don't need ECC memory or a super high end GPU but need many cores and much RAM and fast disk to run VMs and compile code.
So, if you're building a NEW Windows machine, you can use a BOOTLEG Win 7 or 8 key, right?
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I’m a pro doing neural network related projects, which is getting more and more popular. Without an Nvidia GPU, which is optimized for neural networks, the new iMac is useless. Bummer.
So get an NVidia eGPU.

Problem solved!
 
...and people thought buying an Apple Branded Monitor used to cost BANK? Look how much these monitors cost!! (they have/sell that VESA mount, you could get 3 with Synergy and Compressor Core Sharing and TB3 connections, with GB ethernet etc etc!)
 
would definitely be getting one if it had an HDMI input - as a gamedev i need to reference console games. can't replace my mac pro + dell monitor setup otherwise. holding out hope that the mMP is right for me
 
Well Dell is almost as over priced as Apple is. Bad example.

You could build your own for much less. Try a HP z workstation.

Now being a business owner myself we have mobile workstations, desktop workstations which are all upgradeable. Your $5000 goes much further than a imac pro. After three years its not so"pro" any more. Obsolescence is built in. On a modular workstation it's not.

Furthermore if you need to fix something on the fly during a busy work day you are basically shut down because of it until you get the problem fixed. Not so on a modular machine. Swap a part and off you go.
Apple made a machine like that.

It was called the Lisa. Incredible industrial design. Everything modular except the CRT tube.

No one bought them.

It would be easier to just keep a spare iMac Pro in the closet and use NetBoot to provide the software load and configuration.
 
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Why don't they just say, it's the most expensive Mac ever.

Although my Mac IIfx did cost $13K back when that was real money, but it was VAR configured, not stock from Apple.
 
Damn, I want one but I’ll wait until the Mac Pro and displays come out to make a fair comparison.

I tend to go the MacPro route because I like to upgrade the internals at some point and keep my displays for years to come. My current ACD is I think 13 years old.
Keep in mind that Apple was careful to call it a MODULAR Mac Pro. It will most likely NOT be another cheese-grater tower; but it WILL be something that you can mix'n'match CPU, GPU, RAM and Storage; and in some way, be able to "upgrade" those "modules" through the Apple Store. You will NOT be able to go on NewEgg and stick a new HGST HDD in it, or go to Crucial and get some RAM DIMMs for it, though.

But it WILL be "upgradeable", in some sense of the word.
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GamePC (Silicon Valley company that makes custom workstations) has Xeon W listed in their prices.

iMac Pro - $9,599 (same configuration that MKBHD had)
  • Intel Xeon W-2155 (downclocked)
  • Radeon Pro Vega 64 16 GB HBM2 (downclocked)
  • 128 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
  • 2 TB PCIe NVMe SSD
  • 10 Gb network card
  • MacOS
  • 1 year warranty
GamePC GMT-W7/300 - $6,514 (PC) + $1,299 (Dell UP2715K display) = $7,813
  • Intel Xeon W-2155
  • Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition (Vega 64) 16 GB HBM2
  • 128 GB DDR4-2666 ECC
  • 2 TB PCIe NVMe SSD
  • 10 Gb network card (2x)
  • Windows 10 Pro
  • 1 year warranty
That's $1,786 less for a more powerful workstation that can be upgraded and won't have thermal throttling.

Where did you get the spec that the CPU and GPU in the iMac Pro is underclocked, or that it has an issue with thermal throttling?
 
Keep in mind that Apple was careful to call it a MODULAR Mac Pro. It will most likely NOT be another cheese-grater tower; but it WILL be something that you can mix'n'match CPU, GPU, RAM and Storage; and in some way, be able to "upgrade" those "modules" through the Apple Store. You will NOT be able to go on NewEgg and stick a new HGST HDD in it, or go to Crucial and get some RAM DIMMs for it, though.

But it WILL be "upgradeable", in some sense of the word.
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Where did you get the spec that the CPU and GPU in the iMac Pro is underclocked, or that it has an issue with thermal throttling?
That's why I want to wait and see. If Apple will control all the future upgrades, that could make me go the iMac route since they charge an arm and a leg for RAM, storage, etc.
I hope we can somewhat have the freedom like the cheese grater to buy components from third part retailers. If not, then maybe just going with the iMac and upgrading at a shorter cycle might make more sense. What Apple wants us to do anyway. Not holding my breath. We'll see.
 
I wouldn't personally buy an AIO even for personal use, but there are plenty of professional applications where they'll use them to bill plenty of hours.. and recycle / replace when something better comes along.

People complaining about the price just aren't in the target market and are too small minded to grasp as much.
 
Pricing info for 8-core and 10-core combinations. USA prices excluding taxes and a typical Corp discount of 6%.
 

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Where did you get the spec that the CPU and GPU in the iMac Pro is underclocked, or that it has an issue with thermal throttling?

Apple claims its cooling system can only sustain up to 500W of heat.

Their 10 core CPU is supposed to be the W-2155, which is normally at 3.3 GHz, Apple has theirs at 3.0 GHz. Apparently their version might be called the W-2150B.

Their peak FP32 performance of the Vega 64 is 11 TFLOPS. The Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition (Vega 64) is normally 13.2 TFLOPS.

Anandtech said:
The company does not disclose frequencies of the bespoke Radeon Pro Vega GPUs it uses, but says that their maximum FP32 compute performance is 11 TFLOPS (which points to around 1340 MHz clock-rate for the Vega 64) and their peak memory bandwidth is 400 GB/s (indicating about 1600 MT/s memory speed), which is slower when compared to the Radeon RX Vega cards for desktops. The main reasons why Apple downlocks its GPUs are of course power consumption and heat dissipation. The company says that Mac Pro’s cooling system can cope with up to 500 W of heat, so it cannot use a 140 W CPU and a 295 W GPU in order to avoid overheating.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12152/apple-starts-imac-pro-sales-on-dec-14
 
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Apple claims its cooling system can only sustain up to 500W of heat.

Their 10 core CPU is supposed to be the W-2155, which is normally at 3.3 GHz, Apple has theirs at 3.0 GHz. Apparently their version might be called the W-2150B.

Their peak FP32 performance of the Vega 64 is 11 TFLOPS. The Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition (Vega 64) is normally 13.2 TFLOPS.


https://www.anandtech.com/show/12152/apple-starts-imac-pro-sales-on-dec-14

It will be interesting to see how long these machines can run at 100% before thermal throttling kicks in.
 
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It's been 4 years since a workstation grade Mac was released. A whole bunch of OSX users who need to upgrade their Mac Pros will jump on this. The big question is will users be kicking themselves if Apple actually ships out a new modular Mac Pro Dec 2019 thats incredible? Luckily Macs hold value so might not be too bad if any decide to sell.
 
Uh oh, SSD is soldered. That's make pretty hard times when unprecedented disk failure/death occur, it would require one set logic board.

It will be interesting to see how long these machines can run at 100% before thermal throttling kicks in.

Since iMac Pro using Skylake-SP W-Xeon series which literally same with consumer/prosumer retail i9 model (with ECC capability removed), as comparison, i9-7900X (which actually same with 10 core Xeon W-2155) is pretty darn hot. Stock speed (not over clocking) will fine but start throttling when reached 4.5 Ghz with air cooler, so probably iMac Pro will suffer a lot of throttling when they pushed heavily.
 
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"Speaking of the air vents, that brings us to the internal design of the iMac Pro. Though you’ll probably never see the insides, Apple made a great effort to address the cooling needs of this Mac. The iMac Pro doesn’t use a hard drive or a separate solid-state-drive mechanism; all of the flash storage is on the motherboard. This allowed Apple to install a massive heat sink and dual blowers, which Apple says results in 80 percent better cooling than the iMac’s design."

Sorry, probably I'm read it wrong. It said on "all of the flash storage is on the motherboard" make paranoid at first time, but let's pray is socketed, not soldered.

Source.
 
Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy. When the nMP was released people complained that you couldn't upgrade the machine, But you could upgrade the SSD, ram and CPU. Which I did all three to my nMP.

This iMac Pro is a completely closed system! There is nothing pro about that! "you get what you get and don't get upset" isn't a good way to invest your money in a pro workstation machine.

Ive kept my nMP alive this long by upgrading the components as I needed it, and with a new moduler Mac Pro just around the corner I'll save my 13+K for that.
Actually, it's "You get what you SPEC, so don't get upset.", isn't it?

Want more, SPEC more.

That's why there are configs from just under $5k to over $13k.
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The iMac Pro consumes less power when idle, 59.8W compared to 68.3W regular iMac but a lot more power when sleep 7.59W vs 1.19W
Probably the difference in keeping the RAM refresh going for the two systems.
 
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Is there really no market for a 4-8 core non-xeon, non-ECC, nvidia sort of Mac Pro? It seems like that's what a lot of people on here really want. Does the market exist apart from an enthusiast forum? I'd think Apple's complete lack of interest in that sort of prosumer market would say "no"...
 
Nope, what it means is that it will throttle back CPU clock speeds and perform worse than the comparable windows machine when loaded up. Not a good option for a supposedly power machine.
Don't know that for a FACT, Jack!
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If you cannot upgrade your own machine or fix something yourself during a busy work day its not really a "pro" machine.
REAL Pros do NEITHER of those things.
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I see the complainers are out in full force . . .
What I "like" is the fact that, for the past (n) Years, the Haters whined that "Apple has abandoned the Pro Market".

So now, they come back with a competitively priced, competitively spec'ed workstation-class computer, and NOW all the Haters whine about is price and "upgradablility" (which REAL Pros seldom/never do, anyway! They just buy a whole new system and go on about their money-making day!)
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The parts for an equivalent PC estimated off amazon prices would set you back 10138 USD. A 3k difference.
And yet, you provide no links...
 
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