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So how do you change the brightness while doing an Apple Pay payment? :(
why, what would put you in a situation where you MUST change the brightess AND do apple pay.. i change the brightness on average maybe once a day. if that ever coincides with doing an apple pay in a way thats unavoidable i'll let you know
 
I suppose you _will_ feel a hard impact if you are used to an old keyboard where the keys have to move a lot more. I tend to use very little force one the keyboard, producing very little impact, and that should happen to you after a very short time.

Yes...but here's the thing. While I really hate the MB keyboard - and I've tried it out many many many times at the store and for more than just a couple minutes - yes, I MAY get used to it after a while. But I also own an iMac with a Magic Keyboard, my main work machine at home. Switching back and forth between such vastly different keyboards does not help at all with adaptability. And that's really one of the reasons why I don't get why Apple is doing this, either way...why didn't they adapt that keyboard style in the Magic keyboard if they were planning on having it in all their Macbooks all along.

It's just a usability nightmare.
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So why do you buy the MBP if there is something better on in the market?

Or maybe you really don't have a MBP or other MB products at and just like to complain.

Which one is it?

I am a fond MBA and iMac user, I'm completely settled within the Apple ecosystem with iPhones, iPads, Software I bought for Mac ...

Believe me, all I want is to buy a new MBA... but I'm not gonna by an Apple computer without retina, anymore. Simple as that. So the new rMBP would have been my compromise ... well...
 
Am I the only one bothered by the lack of an SD card slot? So now when traveling I have to carry and extra adapter to upload pics from my DSLR? That sucks. I love Apple, but the whole trend of eliminating features still widely in use really irritates me!

That's ok, because you're gonna have to bring a knapsack or computer bag along anyway for all the other dongles and adapters you're ALWAYS ALWAYS gonna need to bring along to be prepared. Looks like i'll have to dig out my old SD card plug-in that I happily threw in the drawer a few years ago when I bought my old Mac Book Pro. Oh wait its usb2. Dang. Is this moving forward?

Besides, it's very important for Apple to be able to continue to eliminate built-in hardware functionality (while continuing to hold the line on the price tag) to keep their Magical profit margins.
 
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Have to say I'm not convinced about this for a "pro" machine. If you are a pro chances are you can touch type and therefore you expect certain keys to be in certain places. I don't look at my keyboard 95% of the time. Heck I use a microsoft keyboard and the symbols don't match what they produce. So we'll see how this goes, having to look at the keyboard to see what it's doing and where certain buttons are may not be that great.
 
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If there is still an fn-key on the bottom left of the keyboard, then you probably have to hold it down every time you want to hit the esc-key or one of the f1-f12 keys. :confused::eek:
Good to know. Details on Thursday! :D
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Will this work with Linux or Windows 10?
Most likely yes, then we will witness an avalanche of copycats implementing similar capabilities in their products.
 
is it only me or anybody else noticed the smaller bezels...?
might we get a 14inch screen on a 13 inch chassis?
or is that a 15in model with a 14inch chassis?
 
Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.

Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it. He was making a statement: he still had an intensely proprietary feeling about Apple’s computers and he yearned to restore the company in accordance to his vision.

Alan Deutschman, The Second Coming of Steve Jobs, 2001


Was going through the entire thread just to spot this
 
Will function keys appear in Windows via Bootcamp?

Since esc is part of the bar, I imagine it's going to have some kind of default mode in firmware. Even if it's not programmable outside of macOS (which is not a foregone conclusion, but probably), it would be pretty insane to just kill that row of keys.

Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it. He was making a statement: he still had an intensely proprietary feeling about Apple’s computers and he yearned to restore the company in accordance to his vision.

I think a lot of people, when they talk about how "Steve never would have done that..." these days—especially in response to removing legacy things—forget that there were Macs without arrow keys as a matter of forcing developers to embrace new interfaces. It's Apple. They have done it historically. They still do it. And frankly, you can never be sure WHEN they'll do it.
 
is it only me or anybody else noticed the smaller bezels...?
might we get a 14inch screen on a 13 inch chassis?
or is that a 15in model with a 14inch chassis?

Doing some measuring in pixelmator it looks like it could be a 14" screen. The 15" would turn into a 16".
I suspect the Airs may then be replaced by a 12" rMBP which would basically be the retina MacBook with ports.

That would explain A1706, A1707 and A1708 — 12", 14", 16"
 
Does it means that all apps using this magic touch function keys on Sierra won't have access at the function key on older MacOS ?

I'm a little concern about the double boot or VMWare app when I run windows or Linux on it for coding. The magic touch bar has to be programmed. So I think I won't be able to use other OS (also older MacOS ) to make test for my application to sell.
 
No comment, other than the bezels still look large, and the very idea of a butterfly keyboard on a MBP preemptively gives me carpal tunnel. :(

And the MacBook Pro branding on the screen returns.

I hope the uncoated non-reflective screen option has returned too. Would be some consolation.
 
Yeah I looooove my antiglare 17 inch Mac Book Pro.... wish they still had that option!
 
Underwhelming...

Losing HDMI, SD ports, etc. seems silly on a "Pro" machine. I suspect the reason they're getting rid of the SD port was because Apple was pissed off at a companies like Samsung, PNY, Transcend, Sandisk, etc. developing specialty cards for MBPs and Airs that had an SD slot with firmware allowing it to mold with the onboard PCI-E SSD. Not the same speed, but it offers more storage.

I've tried the rMB and didn't find the butterfly keys bad. Just strange at first because you've never used anything like it. The argument against scissor keys is valid. They do have their faults. But they were never bad on a MBP. Their issues are prominent on a traditional keyboard. Logitech makes several keyboards using scissor switches and they're awful to type on.


Forgive me, but doesn't that seem like a smaller area for the fingerprint for :apple: Pay, or am I reading too much into this...?
Fair point. I'm going to say the majority of fingerprint scanners I've come across don't scan the whole fingerprint like in films but the middle portion of the fingerprint, because the surrounding edge would have to hit the exact same spot to register. In the late 90s I worked in an office building that used a finger print and key card scanner that worked maybe 25% of the time and the rest of the time it was a battle to get access. By the time I left, they switched to RFID cards, which also worked with the parking which was neat.
 
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From personal experience I would seriously recommend investing in one interface that covers all your I/O needs. I spent far too long messing about with aggregated audio. The only time I'll ever use onboard audio is when I'm on a train.
The problem is my budget. It's poor quality stuff that slowly gets upgraded over the years. Baby steps, but I will get there.
 
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