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[TiggrToo]

All software has issues. I’m simply saying Oreo is a better software update than iOS 11. Also, I buy a lot of phones period. I’ve bought every plus model phone and the X.

That's a very subjective comment - for starters, how many devices is Oreo on compared to iOS 11? Using a very very rough back ot the napkin type math, Google just stated it was on 1.1% devices. Assuming there's around 2bn Android devices, that would be around 22 Million devices running Oreo - probably most of them devices released within the last year.

Apple recently announced that iOS was on 65% of all Apple phones and tablets; so, again using the rough back of the napkin type math, over 2 years ago Apple stated there were 1bn active Apple phones and tablets; even though that was 2 years ago, let's go with that - that would mean that there were 650 million devices running iOS 11.

In other words, your statement holds no water anyway because the range of models, and the number of models, doesn't show that Oreo is any better - or worse - than iOS 11. There's far far far less devices running Oreo than iOS 11, so that holds that, combined with the fact that most Android devices that run 8.x are less than a year old, statistically speaking, you're less likely to discover issues with Oreo than you are iOS 11.

22 million vs 650 million... An awful lot more bugs and other issues show up when your install base is something like a factor of 30 times bigger!

 

[EightyTwenty]

Right, there's no app real estate in the ears--there's more app real estate in the rest of the screen because info that used to be on the 'main' part of the screen is now located on the ears.

Surely you see that information that used to take up part of the screen is now located in a previously unusable area?

Uhh... what? That is the most bizarre justification for cat ears on a phone I have ever read. Cat ears are not required to display any info at all, especially not on an OLED display with pure blacks. It was an utterly useless design choice. Has literally nothing to do with utility at all, and definitely nothing to do with "real estate". Let's get real.

 

[tooloud10]

Samsung likes the notch so much that they extended it all the way across the top and bottom of the phone.

It's absolutely insane to me that the notch haters haven't taken just a few seconds to actually think about what's going on here. 'Remove' the notch from the iPhone X. What happens to the usable screen space?

 

[0388631]

Not to thrilled with the colors. Then again, I use a thin case. Until some real, confirmed specs come out, I think I'll wait for the S10. LG released a very nice Android last month. LV 30. Pretty neat features. Tad too expensive. Plethora of camera settings. Actually, I think a mobile camera is the only thing it's good at.

 

[tooloud10]

Uhh... what? That is the most bizarre justification for cat ears on a phone I have ever read. Cat ears are not required to display any info at all, especially not on an OLED display with pure blacks. It was an utterly useless design choice. Has literally nothing to do with utility at all, and definitely nothing to do with "real estate". Let's get real.

The ears are being used to display info that would otherwise take up space in the area below the notch. How do you not see this?

Imagine the phone is the exact same size and there's no notch but rather a bezel across the whole top of the phone (like the Samsung) to hide the camera/sensors/speaker. Where would the static clock/carrier/battery info be displayed?

You can either have a full bezel on the top or utilize the ear area to display the things that are almost always on the screen. It blows my mind that there are people that don't understand that moving that information below the notch area results in less screen real estate for everything else.

 

[Michael Goff]

That's a very subjective comment - for starters, how many devices is Oreo on compared to iOS 11? Using a very very rough back ot the napkin type math, Google just stated it was on 1.1% devices. Assuming there's around 2bn Android devices, that would be around 22 Million devices running Oreo - probably most of them devices released within the last year.

Apple recently announced that iOS was on 65% of all Apple phones and tablets; so, again using the rough back of the napkin type math, over 2 years ago Apple stated there were 1bn active Apple phones and tablets; even though that was 2 years ago, let's go with that - that would mean that there were 650 million devices running iOS 11.

In other words, your statement holds no water anyway because the range of models, and the number of models, doesn't show that Oreo is any better - or worse - than iOS 11. There's far far far less devices running Oreo than iOS 11, so that holds that, combined with the fact that most Android devices that run 8.x are less than a year old, statistically speaking, you're less likely to discover issues with Oreo than you are iOS 11.

22 million vs 650 million... An awful lot more bugs and other issues show up when your install base is something like a factor of 30 times bigger!

So what you’re saying is that fewer bugs would show up on my phone if fewer people were using he OS? Nah, not how it works. My phone using iOS 11 and my other phone using Oreo doing the same thing shows me more iOS bugs.

 

[EightyTwenty]

The ears are being used to display info that would otherwise take up space in the area below the notch. How do you not see this?

Imagine the phone is the exact same size and there's no notch but rather a bezel across the whole top of the phone (like the Samsung) to hide the camera/sensors/speaker. Where would the static clock/carrier/battery info be displayed?

You can either have a full bezel on the top or utilize the ear area to display the things that are almost always on the screen. It blows my mind that there are people that don't understand that moving that information below the notch area results in less screen real estate for everything else.

This is 100% false. I already explained that cat ears are useless on an OLED display. They quoite literally serve no purpose at all. It was an aesthetic design choice; period. The exact same information can be displayed exactly where it is now without the cat ears. Why is that difficult to understand?

And NOBODY needs or wants more vertical "real estate" on a 19.5:9 phone. That is laughably ridiculous justification for an ugly notch and useless cat ears. Like I said... let's get real. The notch and cat ears have nothing to do with "real estate".

 

[Delgibbons]

You do realize that the border surrounding the entire iphone X is a bezel, right? Oh, and the notch... the X has a lower screen to body ratio as the s8 which will have a lower screen to body ratio compared to the s9... I.E. more bezels!

Exactly. Too much Apple Koolaid drinking going on.

Here's the proof:



We measured the side bezels of the iPhone X at 4.13mm. That’s almost a full millimeter thinner than the iPhone 8 Plus bezels (and don’t forget any saving here counts twice). It’s not as thin as it could have been though, the two Androids we used as control are both comfortably under 4mm.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.gsmarena.com/measuring_the_bezels_of_the_iphone_x-amp-28132.php

 

[TiggrToo]

So what you’re saying is that fewer bugs would show up on my phone if fewer people were using he OS? Nah, not how it works. My phone using iOS 11 and my other phone using Oreo doing the same thing shows me more iOS bugs.

Again, subjective. Oh wait, your really think they your personal experience actually defines fact? No, it doesn't.

The only issue of note I've had on my iPhone 7 plus running iOS 11 is that the Apple Play store can sometimes get itself in a bit of tizzy and I need to kick it on the teeth occasionally.


However, I'm also aware others have had multiple problems.

On the flip side, one of the guys I work with was constantly getting random reboots in the office on his Pixel until he got on 8.1 - which is a pretty damming smoking gun.

So, on the allegorical side I've got a pesky appstore software issue that manifests issue only sporadically and is easily fixed by doing the app away, versus a bug that apparently caused Pixel services to randomly reboot.

Know which sort of bugs I'd rather, and not over bit of this devices quick 'OS is better's because they're different OSs, period.

All this 'my operating system is better than yours' nonsense is childish.

Enjoy the choice - I'm glad you like Oreo and it's a five addition to the Android family of Operating Systems. However do not presume it is somehow superior to iOS because both have strengths, both have weaknesses.

I left the Android would because I preferred security over flexibility. And given that we still hear today of Android devices exploited by root enabling malware, I'm glad I made that choice.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Fugly. Reimagined.

Well, I’m not happy with the way Apple has treated its customers. The iPhone slow down had my iPhone 6s delaying keyboard inputs by up to a three-second delay. I had bought the 7, but I returned it within the 15-day-return window. I decided the 7 wasn’t different enough from my 128GB 6s. My 6s got so slow, I had to upgrade and decided on the X. I am so disappointed with this device.

It’s ugly to look at with an asymmetrical design due to the notch. It’s a pain to use FaceID about 25% of the time, and everyone except supermodels look stupid holding it up to their face for it to open. TouchID is just a dream. I have been screwed over by Apple trying to get the $29 battery replacement. Both of my MacBook Pros have keyboard problems (2016). Apple appears to have left the WiFi products behind which made all Apple products just work. AppleTV gives me HDCP problems since I switched to the 4K model, and I have bought every cable up to the $49 ones trying to get it to work. Let’s face it, Apple has been selling us bad products that are poorly designed and they are intentionally doing things to software to slow down our products and going so far as to we have to get new top case to replace a stuck command key???

What’s next? I have a Galaxy S8, using an iPhone X, but bought an iPhone 8 to replace it. So frustrated. So confused what has happened to Apple. It feels like a money grab with executives taking as much as they can out of the company before they retire. That is exactly what I see happening.

I am a longtime Apple and AAPL fan, and I am so disappointed by what I have seen in the last three years. My beloved Apple is no more. Thank God for competition, but what I really want isn’t out there. A group of young focused entrepreneurs, that are programmers to make some major discovery and create a new OS that works on any platform, then create hardware that just works, and support the end user like no other. People who have a “vision” like the late Steve Jobs.

Or, if only Apple would buy Tesla, and place Elon Musk at the head of the company would probably be the only way to right this ship. Sorry for saying it, but the current leadership has no focus on the customers. In fact, they’re all so focused on their own agendas, I’m surprised they put out the AirPods which in my opinion is the only Apple product worth buying at the moment.

Buyer beware...

We need more comedy like this in these threads.

 

[Michael Goff]

Again, subjective. Oh wait, your really think they your personal experience actually defines fact? No, it doesn't.

The only issue of note I've had on my iPhone 7 plus running iOS 11 is that the Apple Play store can sometimes get itself in a bit of tizzy and I need to kick it on the teeth occasionally.


However, I'm also aware others have had multiple problems.

On the flip side, one of the guys I work with was constantly getting random reboots in the office on his Pixel until he got on 8.1 - which is a pretty damming smoking gun.

So, on the allegorical side I've got a pesky appstore software issue that manifests issue only sporadically and is easily fixed by doing the app away, versus a bug that apparently caused Pixel services to randomly reboot.

Know which sort of bugs I'd rather, and not over bit of this devices quick 'OS is better's because they're different OSs, period.

All this 'my operating system is better than yours' nonsense is childish.

Enjoy the choice - I'm glad you like Oreo and it's a five addition to the Android family of Operating Systems. However do not presume it is somehow superior to iOS because both have strengths, both have weaknesses.

I left the Android would because I preferred security over flexibility. And given that we still hear today of Android devices exploited by root enabling malware, I'm glad I made that choice.

I think my subjective opinion says how my experience has been. The same as yours where you’ve apparently not run into any big bugs and know a guy with a Pixel that is running into a big one.

Also, nothing allegorical about your story.

And you’re assuming I’m using Android just because it performs better. Nope. There’s more than raw performance. There’s also the fact that I just enjoy the iPhone X. It’s gone from being a dumpster fire to just a dumpster when it comes to performance.

 

[TiggrToo]

I think my subjective opinion says how my experience has been. The same as yours where you’ve apparently not run into any big bugs and know a guy with a Pixel that is running into a big one.

Also, nothing allegorical about your story.

And you’re assuming I’m using Android just because it performs better. Nope. There’s more than raw performance. There’s also the fact that I just enjoy the iPhone X. It’s gone from being a dumpster fire to just a dumpster when it comes to performance.

My whole point is that both instances are allegorical...

 

[Michael Goff]

My whole point is that both instances are allegorical...

Neither is allegorical. Where is the allegory in either story? You mean subjective. Allegorical and subjective have much different meanings.

 

[newellj]

This phone is a 10 a fing 10

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A 10, not an X???

 

[TiggrToo]

Neither is allegorical. Where is the allegory in either story? You mean subjective. Allegorical and subjective have much different meanings.

True, however my point still stands. Both are subjective.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

Looks like someone hasn't heard of the LG Prada

The LG Prada...purchased by maybe 3 people...right...sure, that would undoubtedly put BlackBerry out of business and inspired an entirely new paradigm in mobile phones. :/ <sarcasm>

No. Sam(e)sung would have copied BlackBerry, as the original Android had done.

 

[Michael Goff]

True, however my point still stands. Both are subjective.

They are, indeed.

But I had to be pedantic.

 

[tooloud10]

This is 100% false. I already explained that cat ears are useless on an OLED display. They quoite literally serve no purpose at all. It was an aesthetic design choice; period. The exact same information can be displayed exactly where it is now without the cat ears. Why is that difficult to understand?

No, it's actually not false and it's easily proven that the same information cannot be displayed exactly where it is now without the ears. Do we need to get the crayons out to show you that nothing can be displayed if there's no screen there? And that if it needs to be displayed somewhere else, you're going to lose part of the screen to that task? Please, tell me how they can display the inform 'exactly where it is now' if there's no ears/screen in the corners?

It's perfectly fine to say you don't like the concept, but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that there could be as much screen space without the ears. The X is a very successful phone, and Apple doesn't make design decisions like this on a whim, so it's gonna be fun to watch you notch whiners squirm for a few years.

And NOBODY needs or wants more vertical "real estate" on a 19.5:9 phone. That is laughably ridiculous justification for an ugly notch and useless cat ears. Like I said... let's get real. The notch and cat ears have nothing to do with "real estate".

I've always said that the ears were a combination of utilizing otherwise unused space to offload the time/carrier/battery data and to make the device instantly recognizable as an iPhone. They were successful on both counts.

 

[chagla]

Again, subjective. Oh wait, your really think they your personal experience actually defines fact? No, it doesn't.
....
I left the Android would because I preferred security over flexibility. And given that we still hear today of Android devices exploited by root enabling malware, I'm glad I made that choice.

i find it amusing that you accuse someone else of passing "opinion as facts" when you are in fact doing it yourself!

no, just because someone is using Android, it doesn't mean they are automagically getting infected with malware. one has to quite literally "ask for it". meaning they are more than likely installing apk files obtained from random websites. stop spreading misinformation and fear mongering.

 

[TiggrToo]

i find it amusing that you accuse someone else of passing "opinion as facts" when you are in fact doing it yourself!

no, just because someone is using Android, it doesn't mean they are automagically getting infected with malware. one has to quite literally "ask for it". meaning they are more than likely installing apk files obtained from random websites. stop spreading misinformation and fear mongering.

Oh good grief: the whole point of my post was that what I said was just as subjective as the pro Android posts where. In other words, starting 'as presumed fact' that one is somehow 'better' than another is pointless as both have strengths and both weaknesses

One can find faults on both operating systems, ditto strengths, compared to each other, until the cows come home. Still proves squat diddly. I mentioned the higher risk of infections simply to highlight that all is not perfect in the land of Oreo, as some people might want to believe.

 

[grkm3]

This phone is looking better and better!

 

[Jakewilk]

Iris scanning less secure than face ID? LMFAO. Tell me how?

We've send children unlock face ID, twins unlock face ID and Asians unlocking face ID.

Show me just one indecent of sometim using their own iris to unlock a Galaxy.

I know you cater to the ignorant fanboy but try at least to be a little bit honest.

Iris scanning on the galaxy phones has been proven to be fooled by a photograph. So yeah, Face ID can be fooled by a twin, but Samsung iris scanning can be fooled by anyone with access to your Facebook and a color printer

 

[Roadstar]

Iris scanning on the galaxy phones has been proven to be fooled by a photograph. So yeah, Face ID can be fooled by a twin, but Samsung iris scanning can be fooled by anyone with access to your Facebook and a color printer

I think you’re mixing up Samsung’s iris scanner and also the facial recognition they offer. The latter is labeled as a convenience feature (as opposed to security) also by Samsung and they don’t let you authenticate more sensitive operations with that, only fingerprint or iris will do. As far as I know, the iris scanner isn’t easy to spoof at all, but the facial recognition is a lightweight version and it has indeed been circumwented with a picture.

EDIT: The iris scanner turns out to be easier to spoof than I thought, but it still requires additional effort such as acquiring a close enough and good enough shot of the user's eye (so a random Facebook pic butchered by their encoding usually won't work) and a quality printer together with a contact lens to provide depth effect.

 

[rachleff]

I've been using Apple products since 1981. I have owned 30 different laptops and desktops over the years not to mention every version of Apple TV, Airport, displays and printers but -0- iPhones. I love Apple products but the Samsung phones have always been better. Additionally from a repair viewpoint, at our shop we see 40x to 1 iPhone to Samsung repair ratio.
I think you fan boys really need to stop saying you'll never try an company's product. Until recently the Samsung phones had removable batteries and MicroSD card slots for memory expansion (brought back starting with the s7 and continuing on). I have never had a Samsung phone brick do to an OS update (I've seen over 500 bricked iPhones due to bad IOS updates) so I think you should be more receptive and open minded to alternatives. Apple's style is awesome but in recent years their tech quality and reliability have plummeted.

 

[Blaze4G]

That's a very subjective comment - for starters, how many devices is Oreo on compared to iOS 11? Using a very very rough back ot the napkin type math, Google just stated it was on 1.1% devices. Assuming there's around 2bn Android devices, that would be around 22 Million devices running Oreo - probably most of them devices released within the last year.

Apple recently announced that iOS was on 65% of all Apple phones and tablets; so, again using the rough back of the napkin type math, over 2 years ago Apple stated there were 1bn active Apple phones and tablets; even though that was 2 years ago, let's go with that - that would mean that there were 650 million devices running iOS 11.

In other words, your statement holds no water anyway because the range of models, and the number of models, doesn't show that Oreo is any better - or worse - than iOS 11. There's far far far less devices running Oreo than iOS 11, so that holds that, combined with the fact that most Android devices that run 8.x are less than a year old, statistically speaking, you're less likely to discover issues with Oreo than you are iOS 11.

22 million vs 650 million... An awful lot more bugs and other issues show up when your install base is something like a factor of 30 times bigger!

I disagree. I think their would be more bugs shown up when it's installed across several different models, manufacturers and hardware. Apple only has their iPhones to worry about.