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The main point for me is, imagine if there was no such thing as Apple Silicon, would we all be bashing Intel as much? Nope!
Intel has been under fire for years for trotting out the mildest updates to their products, while pushing up prices and seeming to ignore the thermal issues associated with their current lineup.

My i9 MacBook Pro is a disgrace, it gets so hot and so loud at the drop of a hat, while my fanless MBA with the M1 performs very well (in some cases better), without getting hot, loud, or sucking it’s battery dry in record time.
 
I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).
Hello, Intel started this one. When the M1 came out, Apple only compared models with it to its models with Intel chips (how else could they differentiate them?), they didn't make it a pure chip agains chip battle. No bashing whatsoever. Intel alone took out the ax and swung it swiftly – on their own foot.
 
The laptop used in the image is not a MacBook. Just zoom in on the image and see the USB, HDMI and circular power ports on the side, very different characteristics from MacBooks.

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The laptop used in the image is not a MacBook. Just zoom in on the image and see the USB, HDMI and circular power ports on the side, very different characteristics from MacBooks.

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What are you looking at?

I see USB-C/Thunderbolt ports... and a freakin' TouchBar.

You can also see the Mac icons on the Command Key and the Option Key in your closeup image.

Here's another stock image from the same shoot... click to zoom in:

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The laptop used in the image is not a MacBook. Just zoom in on the image and see the USB, HDMI and circular power ports on the side, very different characteristics from MacBooks.

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Those are clearly 2 USB-c ports and an audio jack, just like a MacBook Pro! It has already been shown (and linked) that Intel used stock photos. We are able to see the original photo, and we actually have a series of different photos from different angles... it is clearly a MacBook Pro!
 
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I don't get it, you are talking to someone who bought a first gen M1 MacBook Pro back in November of 2020. Its just simply showing mutual respect without needing to be nasty. This industry changes so often, who knows, 15 years from now, Apple could end going back to Intel or even another architecture.

I think it's important to realise intel is a big company with thousands of employees, not a single individual with feelings. The commercial world is ruthless, you adapt or you sink. Intel just hasn't innovated as fast as the competition. Then couple this with their recent advertisement campaign where its actually them doing the attacks on apple, they open themselves up to ridicule. If intel don't want to be mocked they shouldn't open themselves up to it by mocking apple.

I don't think you can compare that with how someone may treat their friends etc in real life. I mock intel because they are arrogant and launching the attacks themselves. But I would never treat anyone in my personal circle like that.
 
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Apple has made it clear they aren’t interested.

Doesn’t matter how generic the term is, the laptop pictured doesn’t even feature the processor they are talking about, nor would the MacBook Pro be considered a “thin and light”.
i didn't say it was a good ad, i merely questions whether this was a "slip-up" or not.
 
Along with the keyboard, Touch Bar and stage light issues. Frankly those are bigger issues than the geometry of the processor.
The keyboard was an issue, yes, but had it not been for the mediocre CPU, I probably would’ve jumped on the 16-inch.

Instead, there hasn’t been a great high-end Mac laptop for half a decade, and Intel absolutely is a big factor in that.
 
The keyboard was an issue, yes, but had it not been for the mediocre CPU, I probably would’ve jumped on the 16-inch.

Instead, there hasn’t been a great high-end Mac laptop for half a decade, and Intel absolutely is a big factor in that.
Because they intentionally chose thinness over functionality. The fact that the 16 in is a little thicker proves they went too far. Why are there even reputable rumors of restored ports? You can't lay this all at the feet of Intel, considering the broader market where Intel still dominates as well as AMD. If Intel was such a problem, why not switch to the next best thing called AMD, which also makes x86 processors instead of reinventing wheel? Its amazing you missed the forest on this one, where Apple making its own silicon is just part of its on going strategy of making the entire widget. This really not primarily about Intel and performance. Considering the vast majority of users wouldn't notice much of a difference between an M1 and Intel based MacBook Pro for most tasks.
 
You can't lay this all at the feet of Intel, considering the broader market where Intel still dominates as well as AMD.
To be fair, AMD doesn’t even have the capacity to fulfill the needs of a company the size of Apple, much less be in a position to challenge Intel. Intel is still leader because they can make WAY more than AMD ever could, not because Intel is doing anything “right”… well, other than just “making more”. :)
 
To be fair, AMD doesn’t even have the capacity to fulfill the needs of a company the size of Apple, much less be in a position to challenge Intel. Intel is still leader because they can make WAY more than AMD ever could, not because Intel is doing anything “right”… well, other than just “making more”. :)

Apple only sells 5 million Macs in a quarter.

Would that really be too much for AMD to handle?

Man... I didn't realize AMD was so small. No wonder I can't buy 5000-series Ryzen chips today!
 
Because they intentionally chose thinness over functionality.

That’s part of it, but the other part is that Intel was stuck on minor Skylake revisions for years.
If Intel was such a problem, why not switch to the next best thing called AMD,

AMD’s laptops sucked before Renoir, and by the time Renoir shipped at volume, Apple had already made its choice. No point involving yet another party.

And, “this other company also isn’t doing so hot” isn’t a valid counterargument to Intel doing poorly. Nor is it relevant that there were other benefits to Apple’s choice. Yes, there were. So what? That’s not the topic.
 
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Would that really be too much for AMD to handle?
Pretty much. I looked into their financials over the last year and, while there are some misses due to bugs, what it really comes down to is AMD has to work with TSMC to get anything made. This means they have to split up their capacity among all their product lines. When you consider that a good chunk of that isn’t even CPU’s, that shows you how strapped they are for CPU capacity.

If they had Intel’s capacity, Intel would really have something to worry about. As it is, they could build a chip that beats Intel by a large margin and will still be outsold by Intel because a system you can buy beats a system that’s backlogged by a number of months anyday.
 
Apple only sells 5 million Macs in a quarter.

Would that really be too much for AMD to handle?

Man... I didn't realize AMD was so small. No wonder I can't buy 5000-series Ryzen chips today!

Not to mention that AMD doesn’t make anything any more. TSMC makes their chips, and we already know TSMC has enough capacity for Apple.
 
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Pretty much. I looked into their financials over the last year and, while there are some misses due to bugs, what it really comes down to is AMD has to work with TSMC to get anything made. This means they have to split up their capacity among all their product lines. When you consider that a good chunk of that isn’t even CPU’s, that shows you how strapped they are for CPU capacity.

If Apple wanted to buy chips from AMD, AMD could use capacity already allocated by TSMC to Apple’s chips.

Of course, there are lots of good reasons for Apple not to buy anything from AMD.
 
Pretty much. I looked into their financials over the last year and, while there are some misses due to bugs, what it really comes down to is AMD has to work with TSMC to get anything made. This means they have to split up their capacity among all their product lines. When you consider that a good chunk of that isn’t even CPU’s, that shows you how strapped they are for CPU capacity.

If they had Intel’s capacity, Intel would really have something to worry about. As it is, they could build a chip that beats Intel by a large margin and will still be outsold by Intel because a system you can buy beats a system that’s backlogged by a number of months anyday.

Even if Apple gave AMD billions of dollars?

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Even if Apple gave AMD billions of dollars?

:p

It’s all silly. If Apple wanted chips from AMD, the way it would work is that Apple would contract with TSMC directly for the capacity, and AMD would provide the gdsii to TSMC. Apple would pay AMD for design services, IP associated with the design, etc. It wouldn’t pay AMD full price for the chips, because the cost of making the chips would be borne directly by Apple.
 
If Apple wanted to buy chips from AMD, AMD could use capacity already allocated by TSMC to Apple’s chips.
Ah! Good point Apple’s in such a good position with TSMC, I’m sure they could finagle a deal beneficial to AMD with TSMC :D
 
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