lol wow, where are Intel and Microsoft getting the advertising guys from, Fiverr?
Because it’s a pioneer in the industry. If you look at it from a broad perspective it’s WINTEL dualopoly that democratized computing and made it cheap enough for most people to afford a computer and access alter Internet. Most people weren’t gonna buy expensive 10,000 NeXT work stations or 3,000 dollar Macintoshes. So, they deserve some respect for their contributions to the industry. I wouldn’t count them out either.
It’s the Windows 10 “FondleStrip”. Completely unrelated to that Apple thing.It clearly sports a useless touchbar...
His “style” presented in some of the comments made on his return feels like the same mindset, just from an engineering perspective. For me, it remains to be seen if they can do anything to improve their outlook. When you get right down to it, though, AMD will never match their production and Apple’s only making processors for themselves. So, they’ve got a nice long glide path to either turn it up or down.The new CEO, Mr. Geslinger, is an esteemed gentleman within the engineering community and I think he has the chops to turn things around.
... for 5-6 years.I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform.
Because it’s a pioneer in the industry. If you look at it from a broad perspective it’s WINTEL dualopoly that democratized computing and made it cheap enough for most people to afford a computer and access alter Internet. Most people weren’t gonna buy expensive 10,000 NeXT work stations or 3,000 dollar Macintoshes. So, they deserve some respect for their contributions to the industry. I wouldn’t count them out either.
Tiger Lake, in this case. And also: unlikely at this point.Rocket Lake CPUs are coming to MacBooks?
Again, you have no idea what is the meaning of TDP, it isn’t the power consumption of the chip!!You have no clue what you're talking about. AMD TDP is configurable with utility in OS or through BIOS. I have my AMD 4650U set for 15W limit vs 25W since the performance is still plenty while fanless under every day load and the fan only comes on lightly at full load similar to MBP M1.
i have Oligotrophic Lake® chip in my notebookTiger Lake, in this case. And also: unlikely at this point.
You make some good points, but neglect to account for the way Intel has been going out of its way to badmouth Apple. The stones in the relationship were cast by Intel first. The family and friends are merely standing with their side. But it does get over the top, the hate displayed for Intel. I for one respect Intel and wish them future success. Perhaps as a foundry.I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).
Keep in mind also, Apple continues to sell a vast majority of their Macintosh portfolio on Intel. We need to respect Intel while saying goodbye at the same time. Some of the comments I've read kinda give the impression of this is how you would treat people in real life too. If a friend helped you out for 15 years and helped you get your work done then of course is starting to decline because another friend can do so same things a little bit better, doesn't mean you need to be nasty.
Even Jobs has talked about this kinda nasty 'us vs them' behavior in past in keynotes (Macworld '97). You wanted Microsoft Office, yet you are booing the CEO of the company who makes it.
Stop thinking so emotionally, your feelings do not matter to corporations. This is not a friend, this is a multi dollar billion corporation.I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).
Keep in mind also, Apple continues to sell a vast majority of their Macintosh portfolio on Intel. We need to respect Intel while saying goodbye at the same time. Some of the comments I've read kinda give the impression of this is how you would treat people in real life too. If a friend helped you out for 15 years and helped you get your work done then of course is starting to decline because another friend can do so same things a little bit better, doesn't mean you need to be nasty.
Even Jobs has talked about this kinda nasty 'us vs them' behavior in past in keynotes (Macworld '97). You wanted Microsoft Office, yet you are booing the CEO of the company who makes it.
At the end of the day, humans design and build CPU's, its a person with a lot of intellect that invests decades of their lives building these things. Apple is just as corporate as Intel from its supply chain, all the way to its own CEO.Stop thinking so emotionally, your feelings do not matter to corporations. This is not a friend, this is a multi dollar billion corporation.
I would feel bad too, if a 15 year relationship was being phased out. Yeah, I admit, Intels approach to this is not great, but at the same time, there is no need to sweep them under the carpet like they didn't exist for the past 15 years in Macintosh computers. Apple is still selling Intel based Macs, there are still over a hundred million Macs running them. Those are not gonna be replaced over night either. I just find the arguments suggesting Intel Macs were crappy machines is a little bit disingenuous, considering that we didn't complain until the rumors about native Apple Silicon might show up this year. What if Tim Cook said we gonna strengthen our partnership with Intel even more at WWDC last year instead? We would all be hearing crickets.You make some good points, but neglect to account for the way Intel has been going out of its way to badmouth Apple. The stones in the relationship were cast by Intel first. The family and friends are merely standing with their side. But it does get over the top, the hate displayed for Intel. I for one respect Intel and wish them future success. Perhaps as a foundry.
So, you really can't make a point without saying my point is dumb. Ignore enabled. I don't see how industry has been stangnant for the past 20 years when you look at the wealth generated not just by the companies, but also the businesses that have built on top it. I'm sure Linux, didn't stagnate, since it was built on top x86 and continues to thrive. I am sure when you go to an ATM, check your balance or withdraw cash, or interact with a POS in a business that's likely running on a business you are able to complete your transactions on x86. I am sure the millions of developers around the world were able to make a decent livelihood writing software that targeted x86, the hundreds of thousands IT Professionals, IHVs.It’s the wintel duopoly that nearly ruined the computer industry, and did make it stagnate for 20 years. They ”deserve” nothing. Your point is dumb.
It wasn't inferior for the past 15 years though, YouTubers are now cutting on Apple Silicon Macs that's for sure. The main point for me is, imagine if there was no such thing as Apple Silicon, would we all be bashing Intel as much? Nope! Even Apple disagrees, the fact that we still have Intel Macs for sale, is justification itself that they still matter enough for Apple to still keep selling them. Or, whatever Apple plans for the upper end, is still not good enough.This is macrumors - we are not here to weigh arguments in the pursuit of justice - we are here to bash inferior tech ...
At AMD we always knew our customers were named Dell, HP, Asus, etc.It seems like Intel is scared of Apple since they keep running all these ads against them. Otherwise... why bother?
Also... where are AMD's ads? They're more of an underdog than Intel is.
But we haven't heard a peep out of AMD.
The main point for me is, imagine if there was no such thing as Apple Silicon, would we all be bashing Intel as much?
Uh, yes we would. We were complaining about Intel’s 10nm struggles for years.
This is true.
I broke the plus key on my keyboard typing 14nm++++++++ so many times...
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When you work for a bigass company like Intel (well...not for long) you are paid what you're paid for to also watch out for these details.Well I guess most people won't look at this in detail and notice that it is a Mac. But still it is quite the screwup
Apple has made it clear they aren’t interested.was it a slip-up though? i mean they've made it clear that they still want apple as a client. "thin and light laptop" sounds unspecific enough to use a mac imho)