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I don't get it, you are talking to someone who bought a first gen M1 MacBook Pro back in November of 2020. Its just simply showing mutual respect without needing to be nasty. This industry changes so often, who knows, 15 years from now, Apple could end going back to Intel or even another architecture.
 
Meh. Getting rid of mine.

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You are back!! how much , tell me how much they pay you !! you try to dupe the kind folks in MR with the R20 version which is NON native ? slick !!
Now go post the R23 , which is MUCH closer and wait for the competitive M1X 8 big cores vs 8 big cores of AMD and take your beating like a paid shill should!!!

Here ill help with single core first on Cinebench R23:
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Cinebench R20 was not ARM native, was it?

IIRC, in Cinebench R23 M1 was clearly faster than 4800U in single thread test. AMD was faster in multi-threaded, but if the results are normalized by power consumption, M1 is faster.

That's the reality that very few software are M1 native so you have to settle for rubbish performance. Even with M1 native software it's still slower than last generation AMD 4800U while current 5800U is even further ahead. On top of that, Big Sur on M1 is still a beta product with a lot of issues from broken palm rejection, slower than eMMC disk I/O, memory management issue that consumes all 16GB DRAM during sleep and creates an unneeded swap file that shortens SSD life, etc.

There's no normalizing. The benchmark results are for 15W AMD 4800U and the M1 in MBP is 15W to 20W.
 
I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).

Keep in mind also, Apple continues to sell a vast majority of their Macintosh portfolio on Intel. We need to respect Intel while saying goodbye at the same time. Some of the comments I've read kinda give the impression of this is how you would treat people in real life too. If a friend helped you out for 15 years and helped you get your work done then of course is starting to decline because another friend can do so same things a little bit better, doesn't mean you need to be nasty.

Even Jobs has talked about this kinda nasty 'us vs them' behavior in past in keynotes (Macworld '97). You wanted Microsoft Office, yet you are booing the CEO of the company who makes it.


What about the snide remarks Intel is making about Apple?

How do you know the vast majority of laptops are sold on Intel? Did they break down the sales numbers for you?

We don't need to respect anything, respect is earned. They delayed the progress of the Mac and are losing to AMD. They have made numerous remarks about Apple that are "snide".

Think of it as a business partner that you had to partner up with, but now is dragging you down and won't keep up their end of the bargain and you start developing things by yourself so you can break free of their mediocrity.

We can definitely get the product and not like the maker. Happens all the time, except in communism it seems. Didn't Steve approve the I'm a Mac vs I'm a PC ads? or when he said "I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." He's not the saint you pretend he is.

Guess what? Love Apple, Love the products. Hate how Steve treated his daughter. That's okay too. Making a great product doesn't excuse him for being an ******* to his family.
 
Just because it's grey, doesn't mean it's a MacBook. Also to say that that's a positive ID it's a Magic Mouse is ridiculous!
 
That's the reality that very few software are M1 native so you have to settle for rubbish performance. Even with M1 native software it's still slower than last generation AMD 4800U while current 5800U is even further ahead. On top of that, Big Sur on M1 is still a beta product with a lot of issues from broken palm rejection, slower than eMMC disk I/O, memory management issue that consumes all 16GB DRAM during sleep and creates an unneeded swap file that shortens SSD life, etc.

There's no normalizing. The benchmark results are for 15W AMD 4800U and the M1 in MBP is 15W to 20W.
If I didn't know your posting history , which I do as a frequent reader of the forum we could've had a real discussion , but the fact you are discussing in bad faith is a problem and you know it , you take a CPU that EASILY reaches 50W under load without memory/SSD controller and compare it to the M1 which barely reaches 25W with everything included , KNOWING they are not on the same class in performance/watt.

Or now you are going to claim that AMD/Intel TDP is actually the amount of W they use under load?
See the video below , Macs with much better screens (higher nits and resolution) with same battery size , taking Intel and AMD for a ride on Battery life , which is all you need to know about 15W vs 15W BS.

 
Half true. M1 running win 10 virtual is one if the fastest pc on the market
 
There's one "spec" that Intel and Windows laptop makers are unable to replicate... MacOS

Hey Mac users... are you rushing to get a new Windows laptop to use the fantastic Intel Core i7-1185G7 processor?

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At least the guy is using noise cancellation headphones against the fan noise - so it clearly is an Intel MacBook Pro
 
Or now you are going to claim that AMD/Intel TDP is actually the amount of W they use under load?
See the video below , Macs with much better screens (higher nits and resolution) with same battery size , taking Intel and AMD for a ride on Battery life , which is all you need to know about 15W vs 15W BS.

I have both products here (M1 and AMD 4650U); you don't. AMD is configurable for 15W or 25W TDP. AMD at 15W is faster and battery life is super long like the M1 without the disadvantages of 1st gen beta product, losing software compatibility, inability to multi-boot other OS' like Windows/Linux/BSD/etc.
 
That's the reality that very few software are M1 native so you have to settle for rubbish performance. Even with M1 native software it's still slower than last generation AMD 4800U while current 5800U is even further ahead. On top of that, Big Sur on M1 is still a beta product with a lot of issues from broken palm rejection, slower than eMMC disk I/O, memory management issue that consumes all 16GB DRAM during sleep and creates an unneeded swap file that shortens SSD life, etc.

There's no normalizing. The benchmark results are for 15W AMD 4800U and the M1 in MBP is 15W to 20W.
You clearly have no idea what is the power consumption of the AMD 4800U! 15W is just the lower TDP reference value, and TDP is not the same as power consumption. When running demanding software it will go above 30W. The M1 typical power consumption when running demanding software is 15W and that already includes RAM. Try to put the 4800U in a fanless laptop and see how toasty it gets!
Secondly, the 4800U is a higher end AMD CPU, while the M1 is the low end Apple CPU, not exactly the same competition!
 
I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).

Keep in mind also, Apple continues to sell a vast majority of their Macintosh portfolio on Intel. We need to respect Intel while saying goodbye at the same time. Some of the comments I've read kinda give the impression of this is how you would treat people in real life too. If a friend helped you out for 15 years and helped you get your work done then of course is starting to decline because another friend can do so same things a little bit better, doesn't mean you need to be nasty.

Even Jobs has talked about this kinda nasty 'us vs them' behavior in past in keynotes (Macworld '97). You wanted Microsoft Office, yet you are booing the CEO of the company who makes it.
This is macrumors - we are not here to weigh arguments in the pursuit of justice - we are here to bash inferior tech ...
 
That's the reality that very few software are M1 native so you have to settle for rubbish performance. Even with M1 native software it's still slower than last generation AMD 4800U while current 5800U is even further ahead. On top of that, Big Sur on M1 is still a beta product with a lot of issues from broken palm rejection, slower than eMMC disk I/O, memory management issue that consumes all 16GB DRAM during sleep and creates an unneeded swap file that shortens SSD life, etc.

There's no normalizing. The benchmark results are for 15W AMD 4800U and the M1 in MBP is 15W to 20W.

No settling here. I'm running non-native X-Plane 11 flight simulator with lots of scenery details, objects, high resolution, anti-aliasing, etc on my M1 MBA and getting *outstanding* performance.
 
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You clearly have no idea what is the power consumption of the AMD 4800U! 15W is just the lower TDP reference value, and TDP is not the same as power consumption. When running demanding software it will go above 30W. The M1 typical power consumption when running demanding software is 15W and that already includes RAM. Try to put the 4800U in a fanless laptop and see how toasty it gets!

You have no clue what you're talking about. AMD TDP is configurable with utility in OS or through BIOS. I have my AMD 4650U set for 15W limit vs 25W since the performance is still plenty while fanless under every day load and the fan only comes on lightly at full load similar to MBP M1.
 
... I don't even know where to begin with this. Even the dude in the pic looks like he knows what's up.
This guy in the pic is the new Mac guy ;)


he’s even wearing Beats Solo’s which would’ve been the biggest clue NOT to use this pic lol. Has a company ever throw the self twice in marketing global marketing in a month? Anybody?
 
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You have no clue what you're talking about. AMD TDP is configurable with utility in OS or through BIOS. I have my AMD 4650U set for 15W limit vs 25W since the performance is still plenty while fanless under every day load and the fan only comes on lightly at full load similar to MBP M1.

Which EMD branded utility is this why are you just speaking generics because it’s a third-party not every AMD user would know??
 
I don't like the snide remarks people are making about Intel since the switch to Apple silicon began. Remember, Macintosh was using Intel for 15 years and it actually breathe new life into the platform. Considering how much PowerPC was a dead end, especially from Motorola on the mobile side, it was very a much crisis if Apple didn't have Intel. I'm sure ARM processors from 2005 to 2015 weren't powerful enough run macOS (OS X).

Keep in mind also, Apple continues to sell a vast majority of their Macintosh portfolio on Intel. We need to respect Intel while saying goodbye at the same time. Some of the comments I've read kinda give the impression of this is how you would treat people in real life too. If a friend helped you out for 15 years and helped you get your work done then of course is starting to decline because another friend can do so same things a little bit better, doesn't mean you need to be nasty.

Even Jobs has talked about this kinda nasty 'us vs them' behavior in past in keynotes (Macworld '97). You wanted Microsoft Office, yet you are booing the CEO of the company who makes it.

“We need to respect Intel?”

Why? Or else what happens?
 
“We need to respect Intel?”

Why? Or else what happens?
Because it’s a pioneer in the industry. If you look at it from a broad perspective it’s WINTEL dualopoly that democratized computing and made it cheap enough for most people to afford a computer and access alter Internet. Most people weren’t gonna buy expensive 10,000 NeXT work stations or 3,000 dollar Macintoshes. So, they deserve some respect for their contributions to the industry. I wouldn’t count them out either.
 
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