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Intel Announces 11th-Generation Tiger Lake Chips as Apple Plans Transition to Arm-Based Apple Silicon

The real gain here would be more laptops without the BS 10th Gen Comet Lake chips. Still relatively slim pickings out there.
 
leman said:
And yet Intel only claim up to 24% better performance vs. Ice Lake — while increasing the clocks by 30%. Doesn't seem to suggest IPC improvements to me.
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Ice Lake (9W through 28W) was available between 1.1 and 2.3 GHz. Tiger Lake (7W through 28W) is available between 1.1 and 3.0 GHz. You're right that the upper ceiling is higher, but that's a flawed comparison.

The question is ultimately what, given similar thermal constraints, the chip can deliver, and as far as that is concerned, single-core scores of Tiger Lake's 1165G7 sure look a lot better than those of AMD's 4800U.

 
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Lucifer666 said:
The all new 11th gen Intel! Built on ground-breaking 10nm technology. Intel has been painstakingly working on this technology for dozens of years, and it's finally here!

Meanwhile, the rest of industry has moved on.......
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There is no longer a standard measurement here. Intel 10nm is not the same as TSMC 10nm, they are measuring different things. Intel is loosing to AMD because AMD have a better design just now, not because they are on 7nm.
 
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one of the first tigerlake laptops

www.theverge.com

Samsung launches Galaxy Book Flex 5G, the first 5G Intel Evo laptop

Intel promises better performance and better battery life.
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1080p screen

somebody is self-conscious about battery life and how windows manages high resolutions

good thing apple is gonna release arm retina macbooks with 20h battery life
and full Adobe apps are gonna be on them far before they are on long battery life Windows-on-ARM laptops
 
nikhsub1 said:
Please give me a 16" MBP with this.
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there is a trade-off here. The max core count is four. Intel threw a much larger chunk of the transistor budget at the GPU . So MBP 16" that didn't 50+ % work on 1-3 core workloads that would be a good fit. The much higher x86 core count workloads wouldn't fare quite as well.
 
TheMacDaddy1 said:
Then again if the cost of supporting x86/64 Mac's comes close to how much that make on Mac's and Mac revenue is a small portion of their overall revenue then maybe Apple does not care if they get native App support from those vendors. They will make more money per device sold once they control the whole Mac (no Intel) and that might make up for the loss of Mac sales due to people leaving to Windows to run Adobe CC, MS Office and other apps that do not get ported.
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That would be an interesting theory if native support or all the software you mention were not already assured. Standard desktop versions Adobe CC, MS Office and others already run natively on Apple Silicon.
 
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Cosmosent said:
In the Business World, it's the software that matters, NOT the hardware !

Apple's custom Si Macs will very-likely establish a beachhead with Gamers & Hobbyists first !

What good is having a Mac that mostly runs iOS apps ?

Isn't that what an iPad is ?
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Apple silicon Macs run MacOS lol. Macs are Apple’s desktop and laptop line.

iPad is a tablet computer that runs iOS. Yes, it runs iOS apps. Not mostly; exclusively.
 
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ruka.snow said:
....Intel is loosing to AMD because AMD have a better design just now, not because they are on 7nm.
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In desktops that has more traction than in laptops. Especially if looking in the 'thin and light" laptop zone. Even more so if "think and light with first class I/O port performance" .

AMD has just as unified die approach that Intel has. There AMD in the game only because they have a bigger budget (and can go to higher core counts without sacrificing as much on GPU. ). that is 7nm playing a substantive role.

Laptop APU isn't AMD's priority. They are using 7nm and new designs to hit Intel harder in Desktop / Serer space where Intel is much more vulnerable and the profit payoffs are bigger.
 
leman said:
Why would you want a slower 16"? The current 14nm CPUs in the 16" are faster.
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Actually, in single-core, even Ice Lake is a fair bit faster than Coffee Lake Refresh-H in the 16-inch. Tiger Lake even more so.

The fastest 16-inch scores 1110; the fastest 13-inch Pro scores 1233 instead. With Tiger Lake, it would score ~1400. And that's despite half the TDP.
 
chucker23n1 said:
Sure. We don't know if the next MacBook Air is already an Apple Silicon Mac. They might do a speedbump from from the current Ice Lake Air to a Tiger Lake one. It would come with some very nice benefits — faster CPU, much faster GPU, Thunderbolt 4, Wi-Fi 6, PCIe 4 (which could mean a much faster SSD).



Well, they essentially catch up, roughly, with Apple's A13. It's not a 1:1 comparison, though; they draw more power, but also require less clock.

Compared to AMD, though, these seem to be about 30% faster in single-threaded performance.



The 16-inch MBP, if it does get another Intel chip, will likely get Rocket Lake-H next.

The 16-inch MBP uses 45W chips; these are 15-28W chips. Not powerful enough; not enough cores.

Tiger Lake-H (which hasn't actually been announced yet) could be an option especially if Apple wants to do a 16-inch MBP without discrete GPU again, which I'd be quite interested in. But they probably won't bother. Instead, they'll go with Rocket Lake-H, which will have similar features, but at 14nm. Much weaker integrated GPU, but more cores; possibly up to ten.



Just because it can run iOS apps doesn't mean it "mostly runs" them.
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intel did say there were going to be 45-65 W parts for Tiger Lake, probably early next year. I don't expect Intel to use Arm for 16" until next fall, so we might see 16" MacBook Pro Tiger Lake.
 
Cosmosent said:
In the Business World, it's the software that matters, NOT the hardware !

Apple's custom Si Macs will very-likely establish a beachhead with Gamers & Hobbyists first !

What good is having a Mac that mostly runs iOS apps ?

Isn't that what an iPad is ?
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There are a few good web sites where you can read up on Apple silicon. your assertion that they only run iOS apps indicates you might want some more knowledge on the subject
 
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dannyyankou said:
Strongly disagree. There’s a reason no one is begging for Qualcomm chips in iPhones. Apple does an amazing job with custom silicon.
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Apple has yet to have performance desktop silicon.
Let's wait and see.

They will have the same issues as Intel and possibly more since they depend on another company for their process technology.
If TSMC falters, Apple is dead in the ware for silicon.
 
cvj23 said:
You lost me at 10nm
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Intel 10nm is better than TSMC 7nm.
Comparing based on name means nothing.
You should read the article -> https://www.pcgamer.com/chipmaking-process-node-naming-lmc-paper/
From the article "100.76MTr/mm2 (mega-transistor per squared millimetre) for its 10nm process, while TSMC's 7nm process is said to land a little behind at 91.2MTr/mm2"

This actually makes Intel 10nm denser than the 7nm TSMC.
Name means nothing.
 
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Lucifer666 said:
The all new 11th gen Intel! Built on ground-breaking 10nm technology, Intel has been painstakingly working on this technology for dozens of years, and it's finally here!

Meanwhile, the rest of industry has moved on.......
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Intel 10nm falls squarely between TSMC 7nm and 5nm technologies.,
Don't let the name fool you.
 
All those 2x 10x 100x faster doesn't matter. My current PC from 2017 uses 100% SSD performance and 100% WIFI bandwidth anyway.
 
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