Intel Announces 11th-Generation Tiger Lake Chips as Apple Plans Transition to Arm-Based Apple Silicon

[chucker23n1]

intel did say there were going to be 45-65 W parts for Tiger Lake, probably early next year. I don't expect Intel to use Arm for 16" until next fall, so we might see 16" MacBook Pro Tiger Lake.

Yeah. Like I said, I expect Apple to use Rocket Lake-H instead of Tiger Lake-H. Rocket Lake gains most of Tiger Lake's improvements, and offers a weaker GPU but more CPU cores (which on the 16-inch matters more, because it has a discreet GPU anyway).

 

[chucker23n1]

They will have the same issues as Intel and possibly more since they depend on another company for their process technology.
If TSMC falters, Apple is dead in the ware for silicon.

Samsung can manufacture Apple Silicon, and has in the past.

 

[macintoshmac]

Were you expecting Intel to no longer make new products?

I was expecting the reader to read and comprehend. To me, the MR title sounds hilarious and like a cause and effect owing to the use of as, that I highlighted.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Intel would have made products regardless of Apple. MR title says Intel announces new chips as Apple transitions away. This can sound like a cause and effect, that I found hilarious, is all.

 

[SevenSeas]

You had a good run Intel.

 

[Spock]

You really believe that? How many times has Apple let a line of Mac's go for far longer than a year without an update?

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if most of the intel lineup were updated at least one more time before the transition like they have already done with the 5k iMac. There will be a lot of people still wanting Intel machines for compatibility and I highly doubt that Apple is ignoring that fact.

 

[justperry]

In the Business World, it's the software that matters, NOT the hardware !

Apple's custom Si Macs will very-likely establish a beachhead with Gamers & Hobbyists first !

What good is having a Mac that mostly runs iOS apps ?

Isn't that what an iPad is ?

Just a month ago we got (Expensive) MS Surface books, all what we need to for our job is:
email.
Teams.(We had to do conferencing cause of corona..it sucked big time).
PDF program for reading schematics and interact with them.
Searching the internet for documentation for electrical parts.
That's about it, the surface books suc big time, battery drains fast even drains when asleep, pinching to zoom..which we do a lot does not work properly, using a #$%^^ pen which does not work properly amongst lots of other grievances.
We asked for iPads, didn't get them, those would have been much better for the job, but...you know...staff thinks (Business world) it's the right choice, and then there's the IT department, they are fools, didn't even install the pens properly.

An iPad should have been the choice..the right choice!


As for the article, 20% faster, not that much and I am pretty sure it's up to 20%, it's Intel, they are a bunch of fools.

 

[PickUrPoison]

I was expecting the reader to read and comprehend. To me, the MR title sounds hilarious and like a cause and effect owing to the use of as, that I highlighted.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Intel would have made products regardless of Apple. MR title says Intel announces new chips as Apple transitions away. This can sound like a cause and effect, that I found hilarious, is all.

As a native English speaker, there’s no particular implication of cause and effect in the sentence. You could substitute “while“ for “as”.

 

[iBluetooth]

The performance gains don't look all that impressive.

It's a long time since we saw 20% CPU gain from Intel. Unless they are referring to more cores.

 

[iFan]

Intel 10nm falls squarely between TSMC 7nm and 5nm technologies.,
Don't let the name fool you.

You consistently post this incorrect info on all Intel-related threads.

For anyone reading this - it is not true. There isn't even a standard "Intel 10nm" as they do multiple generations on the same node. In your other post you reference a review that uses Intel marketing info to determine density - which is also not correct if you actually look at the chips.

The Intel chips announced today look like a solid improvement after years of nothing, or even worse, decreases in performance. This chip/node should have launched back in 2017. It will still sell well, compared to current AMD offerings in this market segment of light notebooks.

Personally more looking forward to seeing "5nm" or whatever you want to call it from TSMC in Apple products next month. A lot more exciting. TSMC is seeing improved yields in 5nm compared to 7nm at the same point in manufacturing, whereas Intel has publicly stated they have much poorer yields in 10nm than they did with 14nm. 10nm is not their finest moment, and it is laughable when people defend Intel for their incompetence in recent years. With that said, I think they'll be fine long-term, especially if they replace more executive leadership.

 

[deconstruct60]

Right now Intel is shipping and Apple isn't. Production ready systems openly sitting right there in the video demo.

And yet Intel only claim up to 24% better performance vs. Ice Lake — while increasing the clocks by 30%. Doesn't seem to suggest IPC improvements to me.

Yes it does. They have incrementally increased the cache sizes and adjusted the exclusivity a bit. IPC is more so on architecture implementation and cache synergies than clock speeds.

That clock speed boost percentage is mainly the top end turbo mark. The larger dynamic range that Tiger Lake can operate in is far more important than that percentage also . Especially in context of battery life and pref/watt.

 

[chucker23n1]

I was expecting the reader to read and comprehend. To me, the MR title sounds hilarious and like a cause and effect owing to the use of as, that I highlighted.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Intel would have made products regardless of Apple. MR title says Intel announces new chips as Apple transitions away. This can sound like a cause and effect, that I found hilarious, is all.

I guess.

I think the author intended more of a "Meanwhile, in Sweden".

 

[ghanwani]

With that said, I think they'll be fine long-term, especially if they replace more executive leadership.

Replacing the leadership won't do much unless they can find someone that is a visionary or that is at least capable of executing.

 

[satchmo]

Do you think Apple would have been privy to have seen these chips before today's announcement?

And hence made their decision to leave Intel?

 

[Duane Martin]

Intel marketing still works! Sounds good, but the devil is in the details.

You really believe that? How many times has Apple let a line of Mac's go for far longer than a year without an update?

Yes, but those were cases where no appropriate CPUs were available from Intel, were they not? Remember the series of Intel processors that had huge technical issues with no performance benefits? That is one of the reasons Apple is going with their own silicon.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

I disagree. These look like great processors and might do well against AMD’s 4000 series, which are excellent. Intel is playing catch-up to AMD and these might just do it.

I’m looking forward to Apple’s offerings though. It’ll be interesting to see how they stack up with these new Intel chips and what AMD has out already.

AMD will release the Zen 3 APUs next month. The same EPYC Milan are reported to have 15% IPC increase and a higher clocked version up to 20% IPC increase over EPYC Rome, Zen 2. Threadripper 3 as well arrives along with Ryzen 9. Intel and for sure Apple will always be playing catch up.

The Zen 4 will be including areas of interest to Apple Silicon fans as AMD has deep research in FPGAs, AI, etc and not just Apple. Not to mention the arrival of X3D packaging with Chiplets stacked along side HBM2e and PCI 5.0/DDR5 as the defaults.

AMD is the new leader in performance and performance per watt. I would have preferred Apple moved to AMD in 2020 and Silicon with version 3.0 [Prime time release of their architecture and motherboards] in 2024 but that is neither here nor there.

The biggest waste for Developers is moving solely to ARM. The biggest waste for Apple was two teams x86 and ARM. Apple chose itself first and expects with all the money in the iOS world they will move to the macOS world. That I don't see ever happening because unless macOS with Silicon has a path to Windows it won't convince people to transition like it did with the PPC to Intel and Bootcamp scenario.

 

[ghanwani]

Do you think Apple would have been privy to have seen these chips before today's announcement?

And hence made their decision to leave Intel?

I very much doubt such decisions are made based on a single chip. Apple's decision is probably one made from many years of experience with Intel's roadmap and delivery vs what they have been able to deliver on their own. It's probably a testament to the leadership of Johny Srouji at Apple.

 

[chucker23n1]

Do you think Apple would have been privy to have seen these chips before today's announcement?

And hence made their decision to leave Intel?

I'm pretty sure Apple made its decision in part based on roadmaps provided by Intel, and past performance of announced roadmap vs. reality.

 

[bernoulli]

No mention at all yesterday of NVIDIA blowing the competition away with their new Ampere RTX 3000 series lineup, while Apple is about to transition to in-house graphics across the line.

I have no doubt Apple can compete on CPUs in the desktop space - but common, them dropping AMD graphics from Apple Silicon macs and not working with Nvidia due to a past feud is just going to cripple them in the graphics space. Even the new PS5 and Xbox Series X look pretty pathetic compared to these new chips.

People keep telling me that an Apple SOC is already so powerful that it will be more powerful than RTX 3090... How is it going to be possible for a SOC that draws 15w to be equalling a GPU that draws 350w of power.

 

[chucker23n1]

You really believe that? How many times has Apple let a line of Mac's go for far longer than a year without an update?

Not to defend Apple here, but those were models that didn't see many sales (Mac mini, Mac Pro) or were otherwise on their way out (pre-Retina Air). The big sellers — all current MacBooks, basically — don't see that long of a gap.

 

[jinnj]

You really believe that? How many times has Apple let a line of Mac's go for far longer than a year without an update?

Mac Mini & Mac Pro are probably the two longest lines.

 

[chucker23n1]

AMD will release the Zen 3 APUs next month. The same EPYC Milan are reported to have 15% IPC increase and a higher clocked version up to 20% IPC increase over EPYC Rome, Zen 2. Threadripper 3 as well arrives along with Ryzen 9. Intel and for sure Apple will always be playing catch up.

If Zen 3 comes with a 20% IPC increase over Renoir, that's still a fair amount behind Tiger Lake, not to mention last year's A13.

AMD is the new leader in performance and performance per watt.

Sure. If you ignore… other players in the market.

 

[dannys1]

As long as Apple Silicon comes with Thunderbolt 4, USB 4, PCIe Gen 4, and WiFi 6 support on first release, I don't care. If it doesn't, it's a fail.

 

[StevieD100]

Hopefully Apple stay with Intel chips.

Really? Why would they do such a 'U' turn when Intel have promised so much and delivered so little on time.

 

[dannys1]

No mention at all yesterday of NVIDIA blowing the competition away with their new Ampere RTX 3000 series lineup, while Apple is about to transition to in-house graphics across the line.

I have no doubt Apple can compete on CPUs in the desktop space - but common, them dropping AMD graphics from Apple Silicon macs and not working with Nvidia due to a past feud is just going to cripple them in the graphics space. Even the new PS5 and Xbox Series X look pretty pathetic compared to these new chips.

There's no confirmation they've dropped AMD for graphics at all. The dev units used integrated graphics simply because it's not important to compile apps. Nothing about the dev device should be considered for production - it's just an iPad chip running macOS so developers can compile and test basic functionality of apps.

 

[bodonnell202]

Hopefully Apple stay with Intel chips.

Meh, and then Intel will iterate this same design for 5 years while they struggle to get 7 nm working and finally deliver a disappointing chip with heat issues and minimal improvement. No thanks.