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Intel Announces Centrino 2 (Montevina)
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Omg Bluray Omg
Why do we even care about Bluray?!
While Blu-Ray may have won the battle with HD-DVD, are discs really in our future? With more people acquiring high-speed internet connections daily, as our computers more and more become our entertainment systems, and hard disk storage becomes even cheaper, why do we care about bluray disks when technology technology is moving away from disk use?
No one I know uses CDs anymore. iTunes is the number one music store in the world. Just as music moved away from disk distribution as technology advanced, movies will do the same. Hard disk storage, high-speed internet film distribution, and wireless connections will cause the death of the disk, which will make Bluray obsolete.
Why do we even care about Bluray?!
While Blu-Ray may have won the battle with HD-DVD, are discs really in our future? With more people acquiring high-speed internet connections daily, as our computers more and more become our entertainment systems, and hard disk storage becomes even cheaper, why do we care about bluray disks when technology technology is moving away from disk use?
No one I know uses CDs anymore. iTunes is the number one music store in the world. Just as music moved away from disk distribution as technology advanced, movies will do the same. Hard disk storage, high-speed internet film distribution, and wireless connections will cause the death of the disk, which will make Bluray obsolete.
Has there been any speculation about higher-res screens WRT coming updates?
That would be SO nice......
Lots of speculation but frankly many of us are not convinced that it would be an improvement in a laptop. The primary reason being that the power needed to drive the screen to a given brightness level goes up. Even at that I can't see where a higher pixel density would help all that much on a smallish screen.
For example I have a recent MBP with a matte screen and can honestly say I'm impressed with the screen quality. When it comes to viewing high quality images on screen it is pretty impressive. I'd be the first to say it isn't perfect though. The biggest issue in my mind is the viewing angle or lack of. I'd much rather that Apple deliver a screen that had expanded viewing angle capabilities than more pixels.
In a way I'm hoping that when the time comes my next MBP will have a wholly different screen technology such as OLED. Maybe that is a stretch but I expect this current machine to last for awhile after which something new and impressive will be on hand.
Dave
the thing about that is the trend used to be an update every april/may and october/november. from 2002 to 2007 the releases follow the same basic pattern.
but this year they updated two months early, in february. add to that the increased frequency of Intel updates compared with IBM, and it seems like an update in the next month is quite likely.
Yo! Everyone who thinks that Apple needs to support Blu-ray! Shut it!
OS X can already burn and read Blu-ray. Data. The only thing it can't do is play HDCP movies.
1. Apple doesn't like DRM. HDCP is the biggest pile of DRM yet.
2. WHY do you want a Blu-ray option from APPLE?! You'll all just complain about the price if it happens! It will be at least $300 more than anywhere else!
Buy an external burner and be done with it.
OS X can already burn and read Blu-ray. Data. The only thing it can't do is play HDCP movies.
1. Apple doesn't like DRM. HDCP is the biggest pile of DRM yet.
2. WHY do you want a Blu-ray option from APPLE?! You'll all just complain about the price if it happens! It will be at least $300 more than anywhere else!
Buy an external burner and be done with it.
I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility for the next generation. However, keep in mind that many of the people who require higher resolution (i.e. graphic designers, film editors, etc.) will already want a 17" display.
What would you use the higher resolution for?
Ughh... JESUS dude, I'm sorry but until wireless transfer speeds are like, 1000x what they are today, and hard disks are in the tens of terabytes as standard there will be removable storage.
Every screen that ships on a Mac is many times higher resolution than a standard DVD. I can't watch something on this without it looking like a 50's TV broadcast, I can't buy movies over iTunes at all as I don't live in the US, nobody can buy HD movies over iTunes without an AppleTV, not everyone I know has a Mac/computer I can transfer iTunes movies to. And what happens when I run out of disk space? I have about 100 DVDs, I can't fit all them on here, let alone if they were huge HD files.
Blu ray is pretty essential to anyone into movies.
Good point, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you also need to remember that MacMall buys large quantities of computers from Apple. While Apple may not openly tell them when a new update is arriving, I'm sure that MacMall can judge by the rate of shipments when a new product is around the corner. That's why looking at the Best Buy site's shipping dates for laptops can usually be a pretty good indicator. If the shipping date for a Macbook Pro changes from "ships within one business day" to "ships in 1-3 weeks", it means product inventories are low. It's a wild guess, but I'm assuming that MacMall may also be running low on current generation Macbook Pro's and is preparing for a refresh.
Let me know what you think!
Maybe in Apple world, but elsewhere almost everything still isn't done that way. Gaming consoles don't have enough memory to download games. They need discs. Not everyone has enough memory an their computers to hold movies. Not everyone wants to watch a movie on their computer screen. People still are always going to want discs. That's not going away for a really long time. By then, blu-ray will probably already be as standard as DVD and CD burners in disc drives.
Besides, blu-ray has a quality that surpasses anything that can be downloaded, as far as I've seen.
I agree with you people need to stop whining, but you're whining too. We all handle our media differenly. Just because we do it differently from you doesn't mean the way we're doing it is wrong or inferior.
Blu-ray is important to some of us, but I think people need to accept that it's not going to happen in Mac computers for awhile, if ever. And if they really want it, they can buy external drives.
Are you being sarcastic here or have you not heard that the Montevina Platform is small enough and low power enough to work in the MBA?
So not only can the MBP & MB be updated but also there is a chance that the MBA will be updated as well.
Hopefully if Apple does update the MBA they will use the entire Montevina Platform including Wi-Max. Also I'm hoping they go to the new high speed sata 128GB SSD drives that are now available.
So where can we download 1080p video with lossless 7.1 audio? That is all I ask for. BD-ROM delivers, digital downloads doesn't.
Fairplay and CSS both sound like DRM to me. Apple has no problem supporting those. HDCP isn't a bad thing. It keeps people from copying the digital streams with man in the middle attacks. ICT on the other hand...
I don't know what to believe in now... reports were saying that only Centrino 2 that utilises discreet graphics are shipped... but I chose to believe the blog..
MB & MBP update together please!! and soon before August when my school starts!!
Undoubtedly, there is value in analyzing the actions of retailers that are closest to Apple. I'm sure that Macmall may have some inclination of when Apple will release new products based on availability of current models, but again, there is no certainty in this matter. But your point is valid, Macmall may end up being one of the best predictors when it comes to new model shipments.
Also, we have no proof that Macmall ending its sale on the 27th is due to any sort of shortage in stock. For all we know, they could renew it the day of or extend it before that. Again, it is subject in which the only certainty lies deep within the bowels of Apple.
The jury is still out on this! Apple has never come-out and said that they won't support Blu-ray. Blu-ray drives are still relatively expensive and until recently have not been available in drives thin enough to fit in the MBP.
I think Apple will definitely add Blu-ray to the list of available options on a mac. They will probably start as super Blu-ray drives available for the Mac Pro first. Than later they will be BTO options for the MBP.
A lot really depends on the success of the Blu-ray format and how common place the BD drive eventually becomes in the HD viewing household.
The mb and mbp have never been that far apart in terms of processor speed or ram capacity. The only real speed difference is with the gpu. It's extremely unlikely that between two apple laptops produced at the same time, one will be supported by a version of osx while the other is not.
Fair enough. My question is when will Blu-ray become akin to film cameras? Some people still maintain that the quality of film is simply better than digital (I don't know if they're right, but follow the comparison). While that may be true, film is less convenient than digital, very much how disks are inconvenient compared to wireless transfers. Though no one exactly has crystal balls to read the future, at what point will internet speeds and wireless speeds become fast enough and disk storage become cheap enough to cause the near extinction of disk technology?
sorry, what i mean is more that if you had a five year old mbp and mb, the mbp would probably run the current software and OS faster and better, with more intensive features running. i'm sure the mb will be supported, but might not be able to perform as well as the mbp.
that being said, i'm getting a mb in the next couple weeks anyway...
I don't think Apple will want to sacrifice the battery power. Doesn't blu-ray suck it dry?
I think it may happen eventually, when the drives become as standard as DVD and CD burners have become today. But who knows when that will be.
If anything it will happen in the iMacs and Mac Pros first, eh?
The biggest problem with a diskless world for video content is bandwidth.
Internet providers are all wanting to move toward a pay per bit billing scheme because internet bandwidth is becoming a problem. The internet is rapidly running out of bandwidth and the infrastructure cannot keep up with the demand.
Moving toward an internet movie distribution system is accelerating the demand for bandwidth. True HD 1080p needs a great deal more bandwidth than conventional video.
Since infrastructure changes are very expensive and have many logistical and access problems to modify, they will happen very slowly.
In other words, Disk media such as blu-ray will be around a very long time. It will eventually go obsolete, no doubt. Doesn't everything? But don't count on itunes to wipe out Blu-ray or DVD anytime soon.
No we don't. At least I don't.
"Centrino 2s for the back-to-school season".
OK. new macbook & macbook pro are coming out before Sept 15th.
I've never heard this film being better than digital thing and I really don't have experience there, but that is a nice comparison. However, I don't think it's quite as fair. It's a disc that exactly the same size as the DVDs we already buy (the case is actually slimmer). While more and more people are going to digital downloading, the complications of disc space and downloading and transfering it to dvd and whatever else there is to do is more of a hassle than simply buying and playing a blu-ray disc. You can always say that going out and buying it is more of a hassle too. Sometimes it is, trust me, I'm encouraging my parents to get the new Netflix streaming box. But I still think that the quality in blu-ray is worth keeping it around, even if buying an external hard drive is the only way to do with Mac computers it if Apple never implements it.
Technology will only keep advancing, but until they stream quality like blu-ray and have enough memory to store it, plus an easy way to play it on tvs, the discs and players are never going to disappear entirely.
Thanks for the reply. I do web and graphic design, both for work and personally. (Mac Pro at work, yay.) I struggled with the MB/MBP price difference in 2006, and went with a C2D Macbook. I have LOVED it, especially the size, and it's handled almost everything I've thrown at it -- CS3 included.
But I'm working at more and more locations where I don't have monitors -- restaurants, etc. The 13" is getting harder to use, especially as programs like Photoshop and Rapidweaver expand their control palettes/panels, which take up a LOT of real estate. I'm spending too much time turning palettes on & off, and scooting things around so I can see them.
So, I'm eagerly awaiting the new MBP's, re-immersing in the debate over whether discrete graphics will help me with non-3D performance -- and realizing that I'll gladly take a slightly larger laptop for being able to fit more on the screen.
Hoping the 15.4" MBP is the sweet spot I'm looking for.
Whomever asked about a MBA replacement chip? yes this launch includes those but further into 2008, and there are a ton more flavors too. They even run 3 watts cooler then the current MBA chips. They are the SP line:
Core 2 Duo SP9400 45nm Penryn Montevina 2.40GHz 1066MHz 6MB 25W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SP9300 45nm Penryn Montevina 2.26GHz 1066MHz 6MB 25W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SL9400 45nm Penryn Montevina 1.86GHz 1066MHz 6MB 17W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SL9300 45nm Penryn Montevina 1.60GHz 1066MHz 6MB 17W 22mm^2
"The Core 2 Duo SL9400 and SL9300 are prime MacBook Air replacement candidates, they run at slightly higher clock speeds, have more L2 cache and actually have a lower TDP than the chips in the MacBook Air (17W vs. 20W). "
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I think they should try and stuff the SPs in, instead...If apple chooses to use these chips maybe they will help justify the pricetag of the air more, being on parity with mid level pros and mbs as far as cpu speeds go...
Core 2 Duo SP9400 45nm Penryn Montevina 2.40GHz 1066MHz 6MB 25W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SP9300 45nm Penryn Montevina 2.26GHz 1066MHz 6MB 25W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SL9400 45nm Penryn Montevina 1.86GHz 1066MHz 6MB 17W 22mm^2
Core 2 Duo SL9300 45nm Penryn Montevina 1.60GHz 1066MHz 6MB 17W 22mm^2
"The Core 2 Duo SL9400 and SL9300 are prime MacBook Air replacement candidates, they run at slightly higher clock speeds, have more L2 cache and actually have a lower TDP than the chips in the MacBook Air (17W vs. 20W). "
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I think they should try and stuff the SPs in, instead...If apple chooses to use these chips maybe they will help justify the pricetag of the air more, being on parity with mid level pros and mbs as far as cpu speeds go...