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I think they'll upgrade the Mini next January; if we're lucky September at the soonest; but i wouldn't bet on it...

...and hopefully they'll put an ATI Mobility X1600 graphics card in it to go with the Merom chip ( by then it should be relatively cheap, right ? ).

That's when i will be drooling for those babies... :rolleyes:
 
strange days said:
I think they'll upgrade the Mini next January; if we're lucky September at the soonest; but i wouldn't bet on it...

...and hopefully they'll put an ATI Mobility X1600 graphics card in it to go with the Merom chip ( by then it should be relatively cheap, right ? ).

That's when i will be drooling for those babies... :rolleyes:

Hmm i wouldn't hold your breath for it. Now that Apple can get integrated GFX from intel for free (comes with the chipset) I don't think they will change.
 
joelypolly said:
Hmm i wouldn't hold your breath for it. Now that Apple can get integrated GFX from intel for free (comes with the chipset) I don't think they will change.


Laaaame. But then again, it does drive down the initial price....God I just hope they offer a real graphics card as a BTO option...
 
what 'bout the macbook 17"

so on july/august there'll be the new processor. so apple will use the new "Core Duo Duo" in the macbook on summer, right? wow, thats quite fast. i guess i'll have to wait again. puh! :rolleyes:
 
Stridder44 said:
Laaaame. But then again, it does drive down the initial price....God I just hope they offer a real graphics card as a BTO option...

if youre buying a mac mini and you want non-intergrated graphics youre buying the wrong machine. its the entry level mac so it has entry level graphics. as for a CTO graphics card, not gonna happen- that would require a every CTO machine to have a different internal design, so it wouldnt be CTO, it would be a different model. now if they made the $799 model half an inch taller to fit in a graphics card, more ports, and two more ram slots, that would be cool by me.
 
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hyperpasta said:
Intel has announced that the Merom and Conroe chips that are almost definitely going to power Apple's second-generation Intel Macs will be called "Core 2" processors.

don't you think that apple will use it earlier? or does it take for apple longer to user them e.g. in a revision of macbook pro 17"?
 
tiramisu said:
so on july/august there'll be the new processor. so apple will use the new "Core Duo Duo" in the macbook on summer, right? wow, thats quite fast. i guess i'll have to wait again. puh! :rolleyes:

I'm still secretly hoping that Apple would do the unthinkable and not have the processor in the 17" mbp soldered into the motherboard. Dell's XPS laptops have switchable processors, and that makes them a great upgrade-capable option. Apple already said the technology in the 17" is "new" (referring to including the firewire 800 and 8X DVD Burner), so who knows...

Oded S.
 
names are lousy but i mean really who cares, you call a computer by it's name (MacBook Pro :p) not by the processor it has inside.

I am curious however, but didnt get a chance to read beyond the first page because i have to leave for class soon... Does anyone know if these new processors are supposed to be "upgradable" as in you can swap these in/out with the older chips that was reported earlier? Not that i want to, but it would be interesting to know...;)
 
Ok, I'm trying not to be stupid here, but I fell behind a while ago with this intel chip stuff

can someone give a brief introduction into exactly what the difference between all the chips are

We have the current core duo/solo chips (Yonah)

then we have the conroe & woodcrest coming out


What exactly is the difference between them all, is Yonah a laptop chip
is conroe & woodcrest 64bit? whilst the others are standard?


Cheers if any can lighten it all up
 
Is being soldered really that big a deal????

I'm still secretly hoping that Apple would do the unthinkable and not have the processor in the 17" mbp soldered into the motherboard. Dell's XPS laptops have switchable processors, and that makes them a great upgrade-capable option.

I mean, is soldering really that hard to "unsolder"..!?

I have the current CoreDuo MBP now, and yeah the processor is soldered...
But does that mean, no matter what, i won't be able to upgrade to the new processors (at a reasonable price)? :confused: :eek:
 
silence said:
I mean, is soldering really that hard to "unsolder"..!?

I have the current CoreDuo MBP now, and yeah the processor is soldered...
But does that mean, no matter what, i won't be able to upgrade to the new processors (at a reasonable price)? :confused: :eek:


haha, have you ever see the underside of a processor? there are hundreds of pins there are soldered to the board. only a talented robot should attempt the task.



edit: btw, whoever was whining about someone misspelling 'soldering' as 'sautering', the misspeller should be forgiven because thats how americans say it for some stupid reason. the rest of the english speaking world pronounces it how it reads.
 
spook said:
Ok, I'm trying not to be stupid here, but I fell behind a while ago with this intel chip stuff

can someone give a brief introduction into exactly what the difference between all the chips are

We have the current core duo/solo chips (Yonah)

then we have the conroe & woodcrest coming out


What exactly is the difference between them all, is Yonah a laptop chip
is conroe & woodcrest 64bit? whilst the others are standard?


Cheers if any can lighten it all up

Yonah = laptop chip, 32 bit, current generation. Single and dual core.

Merom = laptop chip (MacBook/MacBook Pro), 64 bit, next generation.
Conroe = desktop chip (iMac), 64 bit, next generation.
Woodcrest = workstation (PowerMac)/server (XServe) chip, 64 bit, next generation.

All Woodcrests will be dual-core. You will be able to run two of them on the same motherboard.

Conroe will also be dual-core. See here - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/04/05/intel_conroe_pricing_details/

Merom will be a mixture of dual and single cores - http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/09/intel_mobile_roadmap_feb_06/
 
Glen Quagmire said:
Conroe = desktop chip (iMac), 64 bit, next generation.
Conroe uses roughly twice the power of Merom, so it might be too hot for the iMac - unless you want a noisy fan that runs all the time.

I'm predicting that Conroe will show up in a new mini-tower/pizza-box form factor - filling the gap between the mini/iMac and the maxi-tower PM.
 
sw1tcher said:
What's so confusing about the naming scheme? They're just following the naming scheme of their Pentium line.

Core is the microarchitecture being used in these new processors, and that's what Intel are calling these now. So instead of calling them Pentium, they're calling them Core. Pretty simple, right?

The number 2 just refers to the generation, like Pentium II, Pentium III, and Pentium 4.

Duo refers to how many cores the processor has. In this case, it has two cores.

So, Core 2 Duo is a processor that uses the Core microarchitecture, is the second generation of the Core processor (think Pentium II) and has two processor cores.

If it was a Core 2 Solo it would be a processor that uses the Core microarchitecture, is the second generation of the Core processor, and has only one processing core.

For example, when/if Intel puts out quad core chips and they stick to this naming scheme, they'll probably call the first generation Core Quad.... the second generation would be called Core 2 Quad... etc.

The 3rd generation of the Core chip would be called Core 3. If it's a duo core chip, it'll be Core 3 Duo. If it's a single core chip, it will be Core 3 Solo. If it's a quad core chip, it'll be Core 3 Quad.

Not so confusing now is it?

Thank you! That was helpful.
 
AidenShaw said:
Conroe uses roughly twice the power of Merom, so it might be too hot for the iMac - unless you want a noisy fan that runs all the time.

I'm predicting that Conroe will show up in a new mini-tower/pizza-box form factor - filling the gap between the mini/iMac and the maxi-tower PM.

I really hope they build such a machine - a home server effectively for ALL my multimedia hooked up to the LCDTV. Sigh.
 
This is a bad time for a student mac owner. I had a good run with the PowerBook. bought in 2005 and theres little to upgrade it to now, if you want a 12" machine that is. But with all these new Intel chips being announced not so long after you buy a brand new iMac then i can imagine a little sting. PPC was so old and couldn't go much further, these Intel chips just come out so much.

I dunno. I'm forever going to be stuck in a world of "i'll wait another 6 months" from now on :eek:
 
hyperpasta said:
>can you put 2 Conroe or 2 Morem chips in the same motherboard, (duel processors).

Probably.

> I ask because currently all the powermacs have 2 chips in them, even the quad actually has 2 physical chips.

Not quite. All PowerMacs have dual-core chips, the quad has TWO dual-core chips (total: four cores)

> I believe there is a quad core in the works as well, is that a Morem core, or a Woodcrest?

Neither, the first Quad-core chip will be called "Kentsfield", I beleive.
It was suggested that they may bring out a quad core Woodcrest, but I simply assumed they meant Kentsfield. I think also the poster you were quoting was referring to most of the G5 PowerMacs and some of the G4s having dual processor configs. To drop down to a single dual core would be bad, a guaranteed performance drop, so at least the top end will have to be dual dual core.

If indeed Core 2 Duo, (I refer to Conroe and not Merom here, although both should be similar, man calling two different chips the same is confusing), can't support dual processors, that would rule out Mac Pros using Conroe, unless they use Woodcrest in their top end machine and Conroe in others, (unlikely). I recall somebody confirming that Core Duo, (Yonah), did not support dual processors. This would almost certainly apply to Merom and probably Conroe, which again leads us to Woodcrest.

It also means a gap between a single Conroe powered iMac and a Woodcrest powered Mac Pro. How about that mini tower again, perhaps with a Core 2 Extreme at nleast as an option?
 
the name

sounds really dumb in english <core to do-o> but a bit more in italian <core dueduo>... lazy intel, lazy:rolleyes:
 
081440 said:
KindredMAC said:
I think at this point, if Intel is going to be retarded about their naming (what else do you expect from a PC company?), I think Apple should just call the next PowerMac the G6. It is technically the Sixth Generation chip in the PowerMac line isn't it?

My reasons for keeping the name PowerMac G6:
1) This desktop is the most "powerful" computer Apple offers along all lines.
2) It is the most trusted and recognized name in the industry and non-industries.
3) It has "Mac" in the name already to go along with Steve's reasoning of changing the name of the PowerBook.
Perfect!!! e-mail that to Steve
Except don't Pontiac own the name G6 and PowerMacs only came in G4 and G5 flavours technically, (official name change from Power Macintosh after G3, so already modified the name once).

I would also argue that PowerBook is/was more well known within tech, music, movie industries and elsewhere. Didn't stop them dropping the name, even after it was older that PowerMac/Power Macintosh.
 
steve_hill4 said:
Except don't Pontiac own the name G6 and PowerMacs only came in G4 and G5 flavours technically, (official name change from Power Macintosh after G3, so already modified the name once).

I would also argue that PowerBook is/was more well known within tech, music, movie industries and elsewhere. Didn't stop them dropping the name, even after it was older that PowerMac/Power Macintosh.


sorry not to be picky.. or too be picky the offical name change came with the 60x series processors the chips right before the g series. i should know this as i owned a 3000 dollar computer with 15 inch color monitor with a 150 mhz 604 powerpc chip inside. ohh and they were blazing fast. the 8500 nice expandable case. and made even better by the 86/9600 side panel access. :p
 
I'm actually pretty happy with my choice of picking up a MBP now. Intel has gone on record stating they will be updating the microarchitecture once every 2 years. So by the time I’m ready to upgrade in 2008 Intel should be introducing the Core 3 whereas Anyone upgrading to the Core2 will be only a year into their system. Yah I’m pretty happy about this.

PS- The G naming convention is dead. End of story. close the book.
 
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