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One could also argue that Apple is missing tons of other markets that other companies embrace. That doesn't mean jack. BMW is missing out on selling cheap cars. The markets that Apple chooses to compete in are not our call to make. There are tons of things that I wish companies to make that they will just never sell. That's not an excuse to go behind a company and screw with their assets.

At some point we can allways bring up the "I want a pony" argument because thats what all the hackintosh arguements end up boiling down to - they want something that somebody won't provide that they believe they have the right to. That's not how the world works.

Quoted for saying it much better than me. Also for tying in the "I want a pony" phrase, I'd not connected it, but that's exactly right.
 
Then why put out Bootcamp?

1) Because they can (MS has licensing contingencies for this)
2) To ease switchers.

In keeping with the car analogy, if I want to buy a Vega and put a V8 in it and BMW wheels, what right do the companies have to stop me from modifying my purchased products to what I want as long as I don't sell them?

Car analogies don't scale here since we start getting into physical versus non physical items here. Non physical items are not typically purchased like physical car parts are. Car arguments only work when we look at business strategies and not with whats physically possible. That just doesn't fly with computers which are largely useless without non physical code.

However I contend the situation is different because Apple does not sell the components you desire under the scenario that you want. So far, the courts have said that this is perfectly fine.
 
Especially that fan thing.:rolleyes: & single USB. & no Enet. & lack of HDD options....

See, I have a new phrase for this: You want a pony!

IF there's some netbook out there that is completely uncomprised, has every feature of a desktop, is tiny, then go buy it. OF course, this device doesn't exist. You shifted goalposts, by the way.

Then why put out Bootcamp?

To ease the transition for those poor windows sufferers.

In keeping with the car analogy, if I want to buy a Vega and put a V8 in it and BMW wheels, what right do the companies have to stop me from modifying my purchased products to what I want as long as I don't sell them?

Your BMW wheels don't fit and you're asking what right BMW has for stopping you from putting them on your Vega.

Apple hasn't sued anybody. They just put out a BETA version of OS X that is not working on Atom processors.

To claim they are "stopping" people is absurd. Even if they ship it as is, real hackers will likely find a work around for the bug, or port the new code over once it is released in darwin, etc.
 
As if the number of macs you've own is relevant to this conversation or my statement.

But this is a typical "talking out of your ass making assumptions about your opponent" type of technique. I'm calling you on it, but I expect you'll now immediately drop it. Which is good because its nonsense.

I'd have to go back into my records to get an exact account, but I believe at the peak I personally owned something around 230 Macs. Only around %10 of them were pre-PowerPC. That's just the max I had at one time, I would need some financial incentive behind this "guarantee" of yours to go back and account for every one I bought and then later sold.



I wouldn't say they're missing it, Bob!



I bet that in a few years the compromises of having a low end but tiny product will wear off and you, and most netbook buyers will be back on regular laptops or will have switched to the iPhone platform.

The iphone does everything people say they want their netbooks for, and is even smaller and more portable. Its even selling so well that I wonder how it stacks up against netbook numbers.

But you're right that Apple doesn't compete in exactly that market.

That's what makes Apple great. They focus on markets where they have a competitive advantage. Junk aint it. At least for now.

Judging by your knowledge that a MBA is fan-less and other untruths you've written, I don't believe you. Sorry.

BTW, I don't expect my netbook to last two years. If I get two years out of it for the price I paid, I'd be ecstatic.

& I have had my similarly priced 32GB iPod Touch Gen. 2 replaced twice in one year. & a non-user serviceable battery in my Gen. 1 MBA at 80%. & a DOA August MBP. So much for the Porsche/BMW analogy.:rolleyes:
 
*snip* Clearly expert things *snip*

I have been waiting for someone like you to come along. I have been working on my own computer design. I would really love your opinion. It is rough right now, but I have the circuit down to three parts: Logic, Memory and other. I made a rough sketch of what it would look like. I am going to call it the "iFruit."

I figure I will use viral marketing so that people think they are quality machines, I will use super nice design and premium materials for the enclosure. But I will have it made in China with all the other computers. Since people think it is an expensive computer, they will pay more for it!

I think it will work. I would love to work with you on my Fruit OS. Maybe your buddy can work on the circuit too.

I hope to hear from you soon, this is a great business opportunity.
 

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Its called the Mac Mini.

No, it isn't. The Mini is too underpowered for my needs. It couldn't handle most Blu-rays. It can't multitask video playback, h.264 encoding and serving up my Apple TV. Same with the iMac, plus it had an unnecessary display. Only the Mac Pro could suit my needs, but I don't need, nor want, a server.

There's no reason Apple should make a mini-tower. That market segment is covered by the iMac and the Mini. IF you want a tower, get a low end Mac Pro.

There's plenty of market for a midtower. And that's precisely why I built a quad core and put OS X on it. ;)
 
We're still waiting for your "expert" analysis as to why Apple hardware is superior. :rolleyes:

See, this is what I get for feeding trolls. I guess to your level of understanding a PC is exactly like a Mac. So go away, and run windows.

Capabilities out the wazoo, huh? You mean capabilities of years past

I see, not even going to respond to the substance, just ignore it, change the subject, but be sure to pretend like I didn't answer your question. Must be nice to live at that level of self delusion.

since we're considering consistantly outdated hardware offerings from Apple, right? Let's see...Blu-ray, quad core notebooks, upgradable mini towers, standard expansion ports...

So, tell me what netbook has all that. I'd love to hear about it. I'll be sure to remind you that I'm still waiting for you to answer this question.

Good effort, though. Try again? (Y/N)

No, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and fed the PC troll. Now I'm just going to mock you since I can't take you seriously.
 
Again we are talking about hardware. I purposely left out software because the Software is what is at stake here. We are making comparisons of the "Apple Tax" on a hardware level. Maybe you just don't understand the English language as well as you think.

Yes, just purposfully leave out all the aspects of reality that undermine you claim, and use that as an excuse to simply ignore arguments you disagree with.

If you believe there's an "Apple Tax" on hardware, you're so misinformed that you really should go use Windows and leave us Mac users in peace.

Its obvious there's no arguing with you-- you won't listen-- its a religion to you, so there's no point.
 
Yeah, I won't do you the favor of failing to point out the factual incorrectness of this article of your religious faith.

Please do - please cite, specifically, as you have been asked MULTIPLE times, how the components in Mac's are 'superior'.

Like for like, Apple hardware is more expensive. Don't pretend otherwise, you make yourself look like a blinkered Apple fan b...

oh.

Too late.
 
Persuade me of what? Can you explain?

What does Apple do beyond sending designs and specifications to ASUSTek, Foxconn, or Quanta for an order? Then getting the standard OEM components attached to it and assembled alongside every other OEM?

What does this have to do with display connections?

Display connections have nothing to do with the point I was making. Yeah, I'm sure Apple just emails Quanta a list and some schematics, and out come computers. Already explained the details, the actual hardware is different, and there's no point in explaining it again you'll just reassert the myth.
 
What, are you ignorant or just lying? The MBA has a fan, it comes on anytime I play HD video of Flash video and then the cpu starts to choke.

Get Click2Flash and have it load the H.264 HTML5 version. Much better for your Air :D

*Click2Flash will be standard on my iFruit.
 
Display connections have nothing to do with the point I was making. Yeah, I'm sure Apple just emails Quanta a list and some schematics, and out come computers. Already explained the details, the actual hardware is different, and there's no point in explaining it again you'll just reassert the myth.

The hardware can't be too different if the OS runs on unsupported parts ;]
 
Display connections have nothing to do with the point I was making. Yeah, I'm sure Apple just emails Quanta a list and some schematics, and out come computers. Already explained the details, the actual hardware is different, and there's no point in explaining it again you'll just reassert the myth.

Seriously dude, you're way off here. Let's take the Mac mini:

CPU - Intel
Chipset - Nvidia
Memory - Samsung
Optical drive - Pioneer
Hard drive - Western Digital
Wifi card - Broadcom

The only parts that are Apple's are the lobo and enclosure/risers.
 
Apple's worldwide marketshare is a rounding error

Who cares they removed atom support from their OS? It's not like they have a strong presence anyway. The demand for OSX on atom is limited to mac friendly podcasters. In real world People use Windows (over 90%) and they say no to Apple
 
Its called the Mac Mini. There's no reason Apple should make a mini-tower. That market segment is covered by the iMac and the Mini. IF you want a tower, get a low end Mac Pro.

That's still a BIG gap.

Apple CHOOSES NOT TO to cover ever possible niche that commodity pc makers have created to try and find some brief respite from the relentless competition that's destroying them.

But there are some gaps that people would really like filled. Perhaps the tablet is going to fill one of them.

But the price increase for Mac hardware compared to PCs of similar specs is at an recent high (from the time of the launch of the original MacPro). It's not all going into R&D.

I think everyone here would agree that the OS is better, and the hardware is designed better, but.. Apple is prone to issues with hardware just like any other company, and they use mostly the same components. Very few items in your Mac are truly Apple-designed components.
 
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