Intel Atom Still Unsupported on Mac OS X 10.6.2 Seeds

[Eidorian]

Display connections have nothing to do with the point I was making. Yeah, I'm sure Apple just emails Quanta a list and some schematics, and out come computers. Already explained the details, the actual hardware is different, and there's no point in explaining it again you'll just reassert the myth.

Can you provide proof besides accusing me that I don't know what I'm talking about? Apple does spend more time and money on the design side of things. I never said they didn't. Components and assembly of said designs are just like every other OEM.

I don't think Apple owns Intel, ATI/nVidia, or the plethora of optical, display and hard drive makers. After that assembly is done by ASUSTek, Foxconn, or Quanta to Apple's design specifications.

That article doesn't actually support what you originally said. This makes three times I've responded and you've responded on a tangent. I don't think there's much purpose in trying to pursuade you.

I said that sales of all-in-one computers can't compete against their minitower siblings outside of Apple. My article backs that up. You can get a cheaper and more powerful desktop and that's what people are buying over a more expensive all-in-one of the same brand.

 

[dgdosen]

As if the number of macs you've own is relevant to this conversation or my statement.

Then how does building a video card years ago have any relevance? Is that some kind of geek chest-thumping? That makes you guilty of being a troller or close-minded to go along with your arrogance. Take your pick.

Ha Ha! You say that like its a bad thing. Yeah, I do like it better when the cheapskates who can't tell the difference between price and value aren't on the mac platform. This has resulted in Apple capturing %90 of the industry profits and growing like crazy while the "Welcoming" pc makers duke it out at the low end with razor thin margins and lose money.

You know, you worked at Microsoft - you think you'd understand. A company's reputation is capital. They can spend some of that capital by doing things like crowding out competing like Netcape and Notes, and get vilified. The same thing can happen to Apple and Google.

 

[econgeek]

Judging by your knowledge that a MBA is fan-less and other untruths you've written, I don't believe you. Sorry.

Doesn't matter. It was a nonsense ******** argument to begin with. The whole point of your making it was to try and assert that you know more about computers than I do, but as you show above you can simply lie.

You lost when the only thing you could say to bolster your argument was to assert that you have more computers than me!

So much for the Porsche/BMW analogy.

Ok, I see how the trolling goes here. You guys make a statement, you get a response, then you make a series of other statements that aren't relevant, and act as if that is some sort of proof of something. Several times these other statements have been essentially dishonest.

Just reconfirms my stereotype of PC users-- ignorant, fanatical religious trolls. Oh, and it doesn't matter how many macs you claim you've owned, you don't know much about computers from what I can see.

 

[Cave Man]

After that assembly is done by ASUSTek, Foxconn, or Quanta to Apple's design specifications.

It's no wonder why ASUS boards are so hackintosh friendly.

 

[dgdosen]

If that was the case, nobody would be complaining about Snow Leopard and this thread wouldn't exist.

Current Atoms only support 32 bit.

Not sure about Pine Trail.

 

[NC MacGuy]

Doesn't matter. It was a nonsense ******** argument to begin with. The whole point of your making it was to try and assert that you know more about computers than I do, but as you show above you can simply lie.

You lost when the only thing you could say to bolster your argument was to assert that you have more computers than me!

I think you lost the context somewhere. It's not about knowledge or # of computers I own. The statement was in reference to buying a Mac and not being cheap and expecting my crap Hackintosh to be an Air.

 

[econgeek]

Seriously dude, you're way off here. Let's take the Mac mini:

CPU - Intel
Chipset - Nvidia
Memory - Samsung
Optical drive - Pioneer
Hard drive - Western Digital
Wifi card - Broadcom

The only parts that are Apple's are the lobo and enclosure/risers.

IF you think that rebuts my argument there's no point in discussing it with you. You haven't even responded to my argument, you've just made a list of parts as if it was a response.

I guess other people who didn't comprehend the argumetn or don't know much about computers -- like the fact that CPUs and chipsets and graphics chipsets all have different capabilities that you can choose to use or not--- they just eat this kind of "Argument" up.

Which is why you're so convinced you're right.

 

[Cave Man]

Which is why you're so convinced you're right.

Pot calling kettle.

So tell us, does the MacBook Air have a fan or not?

 

[CQd44]

IF you think that rebuts my argument there's no point in discussing it with you. You haven't even responded to my argument, you've just made a list of parts as if it was a response.

I guess other people who didn't comprehend the argumetn or don't know much about computers -- like the fact that CPUs and chipsets and graphics chipsets all have different capabilities that you can choose to use or not--- they just eat this kind of "Argument" up.

Which is why you're so convinced you're right.

Erm, what? What magical capabilities does the hardware in Macs possess?

 

[econgeek]

My MBA can't run 64 bit SL. Did you even know that?

Snow Leopard contains CoreAnimation. Did you even know that?

I love it, you just say something irrelevant and then act like it rebuts what I said, and then act like I'm stupid for saying it.

Two choices-- either you really are that ignorant about computers and you think what you said was relevant. Or you are profoundly dishonest and you're just playing for the other profoundly dishonest people who are likely pursuaded by this kind of argument.

Seen a lot of this in this thread lately.... I guess that's the troll way-- make **** up and drown people in volume. And then no matter what, others will see mostly your nonsense.

I bet informed people can't keep up with the volume and leave after awhile, leaivng nothing but you trols.

After all, it took you a few seconds to post that ignorant nonsense and several minutes for me to respond to it-- and it would have been even longer to go into why this is irrelevant and nonsense. Which you would of course, just ignore and post more ignornat nonsense.

I've responded to you twice and you haven't responded once.

I wouldn't say you actually *responded* either time. But its funny, trying to keep up with you guys and then you whine about me being behind?!

You guys are so demanding, its funny!

The hardware can't be too different if the OS runs on unsupported parts ;]

That's erronous, as I already explained. The hardware and the software both have default modes and lowest common denominator support. So both fall back.

And yet still there is incompatibility, hence the existence of this thread!

Components and assembly of said designs are just like every other OEM.

Prove it.

 

[dgdosen]

Erm, what? What magical capabilities does the hardware in Macs possess?

Other than say
- a first rev MacBook burning your lap when playing video?
- a MacBook Pro replacement battery dying after 3 months
- a MacBook air screen cracking at the hinge...

- you know - magical stuff.


You know, if macs weren't using standard hardware, there would be no hackintoshes, let alone netbook hackintoshes.

 

[econgeek]

Then how does building a video card years ago have any relevance? Is that some kind of geek chest-thumping? That makes you guilty of being a troller or close-minded to go along with your arrogance. Take your pick.

Ah, I actually understand electronics and computer systems design, therefore I'm a troll.

I see.

 

[NC MacGuy]

Snow Leopard contains CoreAnimation. Did you even know that?

I love it, you just say something irrelevant and then act like it rebuts what I said, and then act like I'm stupid for saying it.

Two choices-- either you really are that ignorant about computers and you think what you said was relevant. Or you are profoundly dishonest and you're just playing for the other profoundly dishonest people who are likely pursuaded by this kind of argument.

Seen a lot of this in this thread lately.... I guess that's the troll way-- make **** up and drown people in volume. And then no matter what, others will see mostly your nonsense.

I bet informed people can't keep up with the volume and leave after awhile, leaivng nothing but you trols.

After all, it took you a few seconds to post that ignorant nonsense and several minutes for me to respond to it-- and it would have been even longer to go into why this is irrelevant and nonsense. Which you would of course, just ignore and post more ignornat nonsense.

Again, you took this out of context in my reply to your lack of 64 bit support post.

 

[econgeek]

Pot calling kettle.

So tell us, does the MacBook Air have a fan or not?

OF course, if you can't argue against someone's points, find a single misstatement and beat it into the ground.

IF this is all you've got then you're not worth my time.

 

[wildmac]

Other than say
- a first rev MacBook burning your lap when playing video?
- a MacBook Pro replacement battery dying after 3 months
- a MacBook air screen cracking at the hinge...

- you know - magical stuff.


You know, if macs weren't using standard hardware, there would be no hackintoshes, let alone netbook hackintoshes.

Let's not forget the iMacs with capacitors popping like popcorn!

Again, Apple DESIGNS better hardware, but, 90%+ of the components are the same as any other quality PC.

 

[econgeek]

Again, you took this out of context in my reply to your lack of 64 bit support post.

Yeah, I quoted the entirety of your response. It was a one liner. And in doing so I "took this out of context".

Of course your comment was irrelevant to begin with, which was my point, which I went at length to talk about, but you don't respond to that, you just make a one line assertion.

 

[Cave Man]

OF course, if you can't argue against someone's points, find a single misstatement and beat it into the ground.

So you admit you were wrong then. Why should any of us believe anything else you've said?

IF this is all you've got then you're not worth my time.

Gosh I feel lucky. That's twice you've said that and I'm still getting your attention.

 

[econgeek]

Let's not forget the iMacs with capacitors popping like popcorn!

Again, Apple DESIGNS better hardware, but, 90%+ of the components are the same as any other quality PC.

And that %10 is irrelevent, eh? And all cpus and graphics chips have only one mode and all the software uses them the same way, right?

You don't even have enough information about how computers and software work to have an opinion on this issue.

 

[Cave Man]

Yeah, I quoted the entirety of your response. It was a one liner. And in doing so I "took this out of context".

Of course your comment was irrelevant to begin with, which was my point, which I went at length to talk about, but you don't respond to that, you just make a one line assertion.

Of course your comments were irrelevant to begin with, which was my point, which I went at length to talk about, but you don't respond to that, you just make a one line assertion.

 

[calderone]

OF course, if you can't argue against someone's points, find a single misstatement and beat it into the ground.

IF this is all you've got then you're not worth my time.

This is a pretty big misstatement for someone who claims to expert knowledge. Of course it would be helpful if you posted things that actually proved your points instead of you repeated appeal to authority. Authority which of course cannot be verified since you are the one claiming it.

 

[Eidorian]

IF you think that rebuts my argument there's no point in discussing it with you. You haven't even responded to my argument, you've just made a list of parts as if it was a response.

I guess other people who didn't comprehend the argumetn or don't know much about computers -- like the fact that CPUs and chipsets and graphics chipsets all have different capabilities that you can choose to use or not--- they just eat this kind of "Argument" up.

Which is why you're so convinced you're right.

It's up to the software to use the hardware features that are there. Otherwise they're just unused. Atom worked up until this 10.6.2 update. Apple changed OS X somehow. Atom stayed the same.

I'm sure we'd all love to see full video playback acceleration via hardware and opening up those drivers and APIs so that all OS X video applications can use the decoding hardware.

Prove it.

https://www.macrumors.com/2006/04/12/asustek-supplying-13-3-macbook/

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090715PD217.html

 

[econgeek]

Bottom line-- dozens of responses and nobody has yet attempted to rebut me.

This means the people mischaracterizing me, etc, really don't know enough to make an argument on the issue.

But this lack of knowledge doesn't stop them from attacking me.

Which is natural since they can't attack my arguments.

Its religious.

Its mac vs pc ignorance all over again and the typical myths you see from PC trolls.

Only in a Mac forum. And these people think they're Mac users because they ran a script to install OS X on commodity hardware.

That's it, I'm sold. Apple really SHOULD remove support for Atom in Snow Leopard. Supporting the hackintosh community is just encouraging you all. At least before the price barrier kept most of the lowest common denominator crowd out of the market.

 

[balamw]

I'm guessing you missed the press release, but it sounds like what you're looking for is the Mac Mini.

Runs off to check apple.com to see if there is an i5 or other quad core Mac Mini. Nope. Haven't missed anything.

I'd love to be able to justify a mini, but I can't every time they come out.

The $799 mini is a decent machine, but I can get similar power and more utility from a refurbished MacBook.

The fastest processor in the mini today is a 2.66 GHz Core2Duo, slower than the 2.8 GHz Core2Duo in my MBP.

The base model Dell XPS 8000 w/ i5 processor is $699 and is comparable CPU/RAM/storage wise with the $1999 27" iMac.

I recently bought a $3299 Mac Pro and a $1200 Dell XPS 8000 (i7, 8 GB of RAM) for work, and by most practical measures the Dell beats the pants off the Mac Pro. However, the Mac Pro does one very important thing for me. It takes 32 GB of RAM from OWC without a hiccup. (It also was not that much more expensive than the equivalent Dell T5500 workstation).

B

 

[Amdahl]

No 3rd party hardware vendor selling OSX would want a stable OS. It would kill the business model(planned obsolescence).

Planned (or inflicted) obsolescence is Apple's business model.

So they were more generic in 2006 than they were in 2005, not just by using the generic processor, but also by moving to generic support chips to ease the speed of transition. But this is not a static situation and they've been moving away, and I expect the amount of custom Apple hardware will continue to go up, probably quite dramatically.

No, that isn't going to happen. They moved to Intel to avoid the cost of custom solutions, and they would not be able to justify the cost of doing so now. And that assumes they could get the necessary patent licenses to do it. They didn't have problems there with PowerPC, because they helped invent it.

 

[Cave Man]

Bottom line-- dozens of responses and nobody has yet attempted to rebut me.

You've been rebutted many times and saying otherwise won't change that. Get over it.