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No, satisfaction studies and surveys done by multiple sources each year. Of course, it's *majority* opinion. Not sure why your *individual* opinion is worth more, or as much.
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No, satisfaction studies and surveys done by multiple sources each year. Of course, it's *majority* opinion. Not sure why your *individual* opinion is worth more, or as much.
Most of them buy legitimate copies of OS X and run them on hardware selections beyond Apple's meager and outdated offerings.
You can put the pom-poms down now. It's just kind of sad at this point.
For the sake of argument, lets say that most hackintosh users buy OSX.
They aren't using legitimate copies, the only legitimate use of OSX is on macintosh hardware.
The cost of OSX is low, because Apple is selling it to people who have already purchased hardware from Apple.
What would happen if Apple sold a non-subsidized version of OSX for $400, a version that is licensed for use on a Hackintosh?
So, obviously we are not going to see 10.6.2 anytime soon blah, come on now really if you guys are hackers (not being a jerk) why can't you guys find a way to make 10.6.2 work?
For me I just want the main problems fixed thats all right now sorry. I have a iMac with Mac OS X Snow Leopard and some of this problems I want it to be fixed right now for GOD SAKES!
For me I just want the main problems fixed thats all right now sorry. I have a iMac with Mac OS X Snow Leopard and some of this problems I want it to be fixed right now for GOD SAKES!
It's really amazing to me that people have such strong opinions about the computer industry and don't seem to really have a basic grasp of how computers work or what goes into them.
Apple NEVER SUPPORTED the Atom processor, officially, so there's no way they could "drop support" for it.
The REASON Apple does things the way it does is to make sure the product quality is superior to everything out there in the market.
Even though Apple doesn't officially support this processor, its highly likely that they have unofficially made sure the OS runs on it.
You guys have obviously never worked on an operating system. You act as if its trivial for Apple to support or not-support a particular architecture and as if it doesn't support hardware that hasn't ever shipped in a MAc that they must be doing this because they're big meanies. This is the thanks you give to Apple for the unofficial support they've given for non-supported hardware over the years?
It takes effort to make the OS run on so many different random combinations of hardware, and the cost of that is the reason Apple doesn't license the OS to cloners.
Finally, this is a BETA we're talking about. You shouldn't even know about it, or be talking about it unless you're in the developer program and SIGNED AN NDA.
You have NO RIGHT to bitch about a beta and talk about how bad apple is because some beta release doesn't work on some hardware combination.
Of course, when it ships and it does work on the Atom, you'll claim that your outcry caused them to change their mind.
Frankly, to the extent that Apple is not swayed by the opinions of users, this kind of crap is all the justification they need.
If you're running OS X on unsupported hardware and you are mad if Apple releases an OS with bugs or that doesn't run on that hardware--- you're being unreasonable.
You want to hack OSX to run on your hardware, fine, that's YOUR problem. You're breaking the license agreement anyway, violating apple's rights and you thus lose the right to bitch.
Apple makes OS X free as an open source project under Darwin. That's ported and supported by the community. But that's not sufficient, you want the UI layer, and all the software that Apple spends time making special features for.
But you don't want to pay to buy the hardware that is half of the engineering effort for those features. You don't get to complain.
Software and hardware are inextricably related. Apple controls both sides and is able to innovate. The idea that Macs and PCs are the same is asinine. Macs can run windows, but not all PCs can or should be able to run OS X.
To limit OS X like that would be to limit Apple's ability to compete.
IF they break Atom compatibility with this release, tough. You don't get to characterize apple as being mean or even doing this deliberately-- after all, Atom was NEVER SUPPORTED. Thus its impossible for them to "DROP SUPPORT".
And dishonest to characterize it like that.
Apple NEVER SUPPORTED the Atom processor, officially, so there's no way they could "drop support" for it.
The REASON Apple does things the way it does is to make sure the product quality is superior to everything out there in the market.
Even though Apple doesn't officially support this processor, its highly likely that they have unofficially made sure the OS runs on it.
You guys have obviously never worked on an operating system. You act as if its trivial for Apple to support or not-support a particular architecture and as if it doesn't support hardware that hasn't ever shipped in a MAc that they must be doing this because they're big meanies. This is the thanks you give to Apple for the unofficial support they've given for non-supported hardware over the years?
It takes effort to make the OS run on so many different random combinations of hardware, and the cost of that is the reason Apple doesn't license the OS to cloners.
Finally, this is a BETA we're talking about. You shouldn't even know about it, or be talking about it unless you're in the developer program and SIGNED AN NDA.
You have NO RIGHT to bitch about a beta and talk about how bad apple is because some beta release doesn't work on some hardware combination.
Of course, when it ships and it does work on the Atom, you'll claim that your outcry caused them to change their mind.
Frankly, to the extent that Apple is not swayed by the opinions of users, this kind of crap is all the justification they need.
If you're running OS X on unsupported hardware and you are mad if Apple releases an OS with bugs or that doesn't run on that hardware--- you're being unreasonable.
You want to hack OSX to run on your hardware, fine, that's YOUR problem. You're breaking the license agreement anyway, violating apple's rights and you thus lose the right to bitch.
Apple makes OS X free as an open source project under Darwin. That's ported and supported by the community. But that's not sufficient, you want the UI layer, and all the software that Apple spends time making special features for.
But you don't want to pay to buy the hardware that is half of the engineering effort for those features. You don't get to complain.
Software and hardware are inextricably related. Apple controls both sides and is able to innovate. The idea that Macs and PCs are the same is asinine. Macs can run windows, but not all PCs can or should be able to run OS X.
To limit OS X like that would be to limit Apple's ability to compete.
IF they break Atom compatibility with this release, tough. You don't get to characterize apple as being mean or even doing this deliberately-- after all, Atom was NEVER SUPPORTED. Thus its impossible for them to "DROP SUPPORT".
And dishonest to characterize it like that.
We both know the answer to that.( they'd still buy the $129 version.) Here's a BETTER question:
What would happen if Apple offered more hardware choices that weren't so outdated as they are now? What if Apple offered a freakin mini tower so the tinkerers would have something to play with? Blu-Ray? Firewire? Quad cores? Standardized monitor ports?
Not sure if this is a comment on the subject or the quality of this thread
Either way, nailed it
The same problems that any number of companies that tried to face MS on even ground face. Lethal ones. Apart from Apple effectively killing their hardware business which is where they profit from, they now have to face the 90% giant Microsoft who has a significant advantage in the OEM market to ensure that Apple cannot profit enough with third parties and make sure their first markets suffer from people who will not buy Apple hardware,
Not to mention the ginormous support costs Apple would be obligated to provide.
Apple tried this years ago. It failed because MS was too well entrenched. Fast forward to today, MS is still too well entrenched and going toe to toe would make Apple much more of a direct threat to MS. It would be dirty.
Microsoft did not get to where it is by going the clone route - that was a side effect to the fact that IBM handed the OS market share to MS years ago in the 80's. That is your flaw - assuming that the way things happened to to turn out was the way it was supposed to be. Doing so ignores lots of history in the computing market.
I have said this before and I will say it again. Apple's business model is a competitive advantage - something that you never eliminate once you have one.
Exactly. I had a Dell Precision M4400 that had a mediocre screen, mediocre enclosure, and a god-awful touchpad and buttons. It's as though they either didn't user test the prototype or just didn't care. Its processor, Mobo, and RAM were essentially the same as my MBP, give or take a generation. Yet it was unusable compared to my MBP.
Indeed. It seems fairly straightforward to me. Apple was looking to use Intel's Atom chips in one of it's products (likely the iPhone) since then they have changed their mind. None of their products use Atom chips so there is no need for it. Killing off hackintoshes is just an added bonus to streamlining their codebase.
I've got the answer:
Hey Dell! I know you built the Mini 10V with ideas of supporting the Hackintosh market and making money off it - why not do the same thing with a ULV chip! I'm sure Dell can get a good volume discount on the latest and greatest. Besides the prices have downward pressure.
- Here's my design - start with a netbook (the 10 V)- forget all that highfalutin adamo crap. That's another product. Keep this clean and simple.
- Remove Atom Chip
- Insert ULV Solo -- whatever is the latest and greatest ULV Intel
- Make it fanless (please)
- Profit from all the new Hackintosh builders.
Hey Dell! I know you built the Mini 10V with ideas of supporting the Hackintosh market and making money off it - why not do the same thing with a ULV chip! I'm sure Dell can get a good volume discount on the latest and greatest. Besides the prices have downward pressure.
- Here's my design - start with a netbook (the 10 V)- forget all that highfalutin adamo crap. That's another product. Keep this clean and simple.
- Remove Atom Chip
- Insert ULV Solo -- whatever is the latest and greatest ULV Intel
- Make it fanless (please)
- Profit from all the new Hackintosh builders.
OSX on non Apple swag will mean the death of Apple because the 3rd party hardware vendors need to sell, well hardware. And if Apple was licensing their OS then they would have to put in flaws. No 3rd party hardware vendor selling OSX would want a stable OS. It would kill the business model(planned obsolescence). And all the bells and whistles the 3rd party vendors say they'll provide cause Apple wouldn't or was slow to adopt, you won't even use. You'll go to best buy and find a bunch of freaking generic OSX boxes like that pc s***. And if there is a problem with your system you'll be given an 1-800 number to some damn call center in India. We'll be at the mercy of viruses, outfits selling virus protection and the 3rd party vendors making crap cause they have to protect their business model. Has anyone seen that Windows 7 ad called collaboration? Check it out on youtube. You'll see plenty of shots of young techie IT schmucks with loads of freaking pc towers in what looks to be a pc fixit shop. I'm probably wrong so correct me if I am but just imagine having to send your reliable imac to some f****** shop! It is far and few between for us mac folk. I have an 8 year old flower power imac and that S.O.B is still kicking. Praise the lawd!Never ever ever in a f****** shop. Always works. Working now. Never a damn virus. Always and everyday the baddest mothe****** in town. Always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M A MAC FANBOY B****!!!!!
I'M A MAC FANBOY B****!!!!!
I don't think you understand much of anything about computers or how they work. This is the beef "elitists" mac "fanboys" have with "pc users". You've woken up to the fact that OS X is a much superior OS, but you are still stuck in the 1990s myth that any computer is the same, thus there is no reason for a Mac to cost $1,000 while some random piece of junk PC costs $300.
Yeah, they have mass storage, some ram, and a CPU, and a video chip, and that's where the similarity ends.
In other words, your claim is that every computer is just like every other computer and therefore why should a Cray cost millions when you can buy crap for $300.
Hell, go get an original Mac Classic for $25 at a garage sale and save even more!
Because if you never advance technology you end up with lowest common denominator PC crap and windows.
Better buy now. Dell has bought into the same standard that Apple has, they just haven't switched yet.
Yeah, and a volkswagen bus is the same as a porshe 911! For awhile there you could move an engine from one into the other because they were made by the same company.
But to claim they were identical was even far out in the 1970s.
Good point.
I don't think you can make the case that its illegal. But they should not spend any effort supporting them because I'm sick and tired of uninformed PC people showing up and making claims about what Apple "should do" to support their random junk hardware.
All the time Apple spends supporting random hardware combinations is time they aren't spending creating the value that attracted all you cheapskates in teh first place-- innovation.
Yeah because to you a VW bus is just as capable as a Porche and therefore, why pay more?
That's fine, but you do not get to complain when the OS doesn't run on random pieces of junk hardware that you bought. You want support, buy a Mac. Then if the OS doesn't run on it, you have the right to complain.
Otherwise you're on your own.
Their results show that they are. They're getting something like %90 of the profits in the computer industry.
This comes from giving people who will pay what they want and not spending extraordinary amounts of time supporting everything out there.
Microsoft's incompetence is only half the reason windows sucks.
You're saying that "what consumers want" is for them to be just like Microsoft and support everything out there, license the OS to all comers at a low price and thus end the possibility for innovation and quality control.
But the consumers who want that can always go to Windows. Apple is offering a choice for the consumers who want quality.
So, you're not asking for any support, but Apple should " take the hint and listen to what the hackintoshers are asking for"?
I'm glad they don't. That would bring OSX down to the level of windows.
Nonsense, by making a computer my mom can use, their pro-quality offerings are much better.
I don't think any company competes with them in workstations.
How did "el cheapo" become "Concern with pro quality"? Generally they're in conflict.
The increased awareness of the Mac has resulted in a lot of PC users switching.... but all they know is they want the mac, they don't understand what it is or how it works.
And they haven't learned that the old PC myths are myths. So, people who defend Apple or try to reason with them are "fanboys" and Apples computers are "overpriced".
The Atom has never been supported, now it doesn't work with a hacked netbooks is what the title should say. Not like 10.6 really has any benefit for netbooks anyway.
Yes - I think that's true of must Hackintoshers. One of my biggest reasons is portability - Apple products are all too big to take on an airplane and use in a typical coach seat.
There is a difference between a reasonable defense of a product, and a drooling fanboy nonsense.
The point is, the hackintosh community as a whole (much less the subset that then goes on to buy Apple hardware), is a statistically insignificant blip in their sales figures. The hackintosh community is in the range of 1% of 1% of Apple's software sales figures. Nothing wrong in my mind with building a hackintosh, but you need to leave the ego at the door if you think your numbers are actually a 'substantial' part of the market at large.
And I thought I was a fanboy. While I think that companies like Psystar are malicious and should be shutdown, an individual should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want to their own hardware including hack into their systems as they feel as long as it isn't intended to profit off of others inventions and is for personal use. Your opinion while you have a right to it, is in my opinion rediculous.
Err.... ME. There was no way I was spending a LOT of money on an Apple laptop without spending more time that one can in an Apple store trying it. Hackintoshing gave me that opportunity. I wasn't getting on board without that experience first.
HLDan - my experience is one I see repeated time and time again. This community is highly repulsive - and you are the epitome of why.
And Econgekk - you're spreading a lot of misinformation. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just highly misinformed instead of maliciously lying - but please do yourself and this community a favour and don't pretend that the components in a Mac are in some way superior to those in a PC. They're not. They're the same.
There is no ego involved. I understand that the hackintosh community is small, but I have seen more switchers from the hackintosh community than the non-hackintosh community. Just my personal experience. That's all.
Please cite your source data that demonstrates that there are 0.01% as many OS X users on Hackintosh's as Macintosh's
Do you think the percentage of people that want one is equally insignificant? Too often I talk to people that shy away from building a hackintosh because they think it's too difficult. Not because they don't want one.
Netbooks are popular. There is no Apple Netbook. There is a statistically significant Apple Netbook market.
By the way - it is easy: http://code.google.com/p/netbook-installer/