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It's ironic that they are not even focusing on one of the major advantages of x86, which is that so much professional, commercial, scientific, educational, and industrial applications will only run on x86 platforms. I know that the M1 will have x86 virtual machines available, but emulating an x86 through code translation is going to be clunky and slow.
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You seem to have missed the last months. Most x86 software run through Rosetta 2 is as fast on the M1 as on an Intel Mac. Some runs even faster through Rosetta than native.
 
You seem to have missed the last months. Most x86 software run through Rosetta 2 is as fast on the M1 as on an Intel Mac. Some runs even faster through Rosetta than native.
It is surprisingly fast. I have an M1 MBP, and it hasn't missed a beat even running x86 software. That said, I'm not going to sit here and say it's an absolute speed demon. It's acceptable, but didn't knock my socks off. My desktop is a 2020 iMac (8 core i7, 16GB Radeon, and 64GB RAM). It's hard to beat the iMac in day to day and heavy workflow stuff...but the fact that the MBP doesn't seem slow in comparison is the amazing thing to me.
 
But... MOST of the current Mac lineup still has Intel Inside.. Thats a really weird move!

More likely getting Apple customers to put pressure on Apple to retain Intel as an option. If if was me I'd pressure for AMD and only Intel if they outsource to TSMC or Samsung 5nm/7nm.
 
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You are spot on and the comments from gamers (as one example) really does show how little so many people know about computer sales. I know with forums like this, it’s attracting a very narrow and specific consumer, but for gamers to think they’re driving the broader computer market is just foolish. It’s a tiny slice of the overall market in both units sold and revenue generated. There is a reason Apple isn’t dedicating a lot of resources to gaming beyond on iOS.
Also PC gaming is suffering at the moment. Pre built systems are adding 4-8 additional weeks. You can’t find a reasonably priced GPU except the 1050.
 
I've always thought it's weird when a company attacks another company in their ads unless the attacking company is the underdog in a given market. If you're the underdog, it's a great way to emphasize why you're different or potentially better than the thing everyone is flocking to. However, when you're the dominant player in a market going after a competitor that is smaller than you are, it just looks like bullying and seems a little overly defensive.

But I'm not a marketing person so whatever. Just my perspective.
 
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I've always thought it's weird when a company attacks another company in their ads unless the attacking company is the underdog in a given market. If you're the underdog, it's a great way to emphasize why you're different or potentially better than the thing everyone is flocking to. However, when you're the dominant player in a market going after a competitor that is smaller than you are, it just looks like bullying and seems a little overly defensive.

But I'm not a marketing person so whatever. Just my perspective.
You hit the nail on the head and are 100% spot on. Kinda surprised nobody else here used the word bullying. If this had been Apple who was the dominant player attacking the underdog they would for sure be called a bully on this forum. That's what I hate about this place sometimes.
 
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That doesn’t disprove my point. Most GPUs that are sold are sold in PCs, and most PCs are sold through commercial, not retail.

5000 people lining up to buy 10 retail-boxed GPUs doesn’t disprove that point.
Exactly. It means one place in particular is selling them below market rate. Says nothing about quantity.

This is like that guy in another thread who was telling me that I'm ignoring the mass market when I say few people use eGPUs, pointing to some random Sonnet device that was sold out for a few days a year ago.
 
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You are spot on and the comments from gamers (as one example) really does show how little so many people know about computer sales. I know with forums like this, it’s attracting a very narrow and specific consumer, but for gamers to think they’re driving the broader computer market is just foolish. It’s a tiny slice of the overall market in both units sold and revenue generated. There is a reason Apple isn’t dedicating a lot of resources to gaming beyond on iOS.
This is stereotypically what they've always thought. Even just looking at games, PC game revenue is tiny compared to iPhone+iPad game revenue alone. Apple is king of video games even though Macs are terrible at playing them.
 
RTX 3080 isn't the most common GPU people have
That's only because it's relatively new. The demand is still extremely high.

Fewer are willing to buy if the price is higher.
Obviously, you're not aware of the scalpers that are selling these GPUs for thousands because the demand is so high.

 
That's only because it's relatively new. The demand is still extremely high.


Obviously, you're not aware of the scalpers that are selling these GPUs for thousands because the demand is so high.

I'm totally aware. Retail is selling them cheaper than what people are willing to pay, which is why there's scalping. It says nothing about the absolute number of people willing to pay retail price. Since 3080s are underpriced and therefore hard to gauge, do you know how many 2080s sold by the end?

To name an extreme example, you have to enter a waiting list to buy certain new Ferraris of which only a few hundred are sold. So maybe they retail for $1M but are worth $2M. Doesn't mean tons of people want them at retail price.
 
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It's not how many GPUs that are in stock that matters. It's how many people that are willing to buy them that matters. They affect the market.
I don’t see how that makes mathematical sense. If 80% of a company’s sales go to customers like Dell, HP, Asus, etc. for sale into corporations, what makes you think they are going to be all that influenced by the small percentage of the retail market (some portion of the 20% of the market that is retail)? Even if the prices are higher in that market, the profit margin isn’t enough to compete with where the vast majority of their volume goes.
 
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More likely getting Apple customers to put pressure on Apple to retain Intel as an option. If if was me I'd pressure for AMD and only Intel if they outsource to TSMC or Samsung 5nm/7nm.
They might hope for this, but I don't see how these ads accomplish that. They barely mention the CPUs and focus instead of the Mac form factor.
 
That's only because it's relatively new. The demand is still extremely high.


Obviously, you're not aware of the scalpers that are selling these GPUs for thousands because the demand is so high.


So what?

I have a painting worth 65 million dollars. That doesn’t mean the whole world is motivated to start painting. In fact, your scalper example is proof that you are wrong - if nvidia and AMD really thought they would make more profit shifting production to those sorts of products instead of products for dull gray and black boxes, they would do so. But they haven’t.
 
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Unless you plan on upgrading the RAM that isn't an issue and an external SSD takes

Big Sur supports some models as far back as 2013 though I not sure why the iMac Pro got capped at 2017 while the iMac goes as far back as 2014.

Even with this back compatibility Windows users want to know how to run 16-bit programs on Windows 10. That is ridiculous. Why on Earth would any sane want to run software that old?
We have a really old piece of software at work that’s too expensive and a hassle to port. We used to have an old windows 98 pc for that program alone. Now we use a windows xp vm guest in a win 10 host.

Point being, there are still some apps with no replacement, or for which the replacement is either too expensive or more complicated than finding a workaround.

Hey, even jumbos have their software updated via floppy disks after all 🤣

 
We have a really old piece of software at work that’s too expensive and a hassle to port. We used to have an old windows 98 pc for that program alone. Now we use a windows xp vm guest in a win 10 host.

Point being, there are still some apps with no replacement, or for which the replacement is either too expensive or more complicated than finding a workaround.

Hey, even jumbos have their software updated via floppy disks after all 🤣

Sometimes it's also someone's form of job security. There are many parts of the US govt relying on old stuff written in assembly or Cobol for that reason. An old piece of software with limited functionality is rarely difficult to rewrite with modern tooling. Of course "if it's not broken, don't fix it" can apply, but usually it really is broken.
 
I will never ever forgive Tim Cook for this unconscionable move. I was born in 1990 and had been on Windows computers left and right for 20 years until my friend gave me his Macbook Pro in 2010. I was rejoicing at the inherent Boot Camp and high-app-compatibility. I will never ever forgive him ever. We all know that Mr. Cook came from the IBM company, and he will outsource everything while discarding the needs of the customer in real time. I am so angry.
 
If 80% of a company’s sales go to customers like Dell, HP, Asus, etc. for sale into corporations, what makes you think they are going to be all that influenced by the small percentage of the retail market
Companies do not just care just about percentages. Why do you think companies spend millions of dollars on a high-end product when they know they are going to sell just a few? It's because it shows their prospective customers what they are capable of, and it influences prospective customers (and even other companies) to buy their lower-priced products. For example, Ford spent millions designing and building their Ford GT, when they knew they would only sell a relatively few of them. However, it showed off their technology and influenced customers to buy their lower-priced products, which is where the company will then make their money over their competition.
 
Sometimes it's also someone's form of job security. There are many parts of the US govt relying on old stuff written in assembly or Cobol for that reason. An old piece of software with limited functionality is rarely difficult to rewrite with modern tooling. Of course "if it's not broken, don't fix it" can apply, but usually it really is broken.
Agreed. Apple ran into something similar to this problem when it was designing Copeland - thanks to patches and tweaks with things like ResEdit their OS had become a black box. That along with a bad case of featureitist is why Copeland effectively went off a cliff.
 
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