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Intel to Supply Apple with Special High-End Haswell Processors for MacBook Pro
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I am in the exact same boat and I want to go from 15"-->13" but not loose too much performance down that road.
So actually I hope for a BTO quad option.
Lack of dGPU on the 15inch in one model is possible (as a trial such as the first MBA design prior to the MBP refresh), but throughout the line would be a bold and risky move, even for Apple. A laptop the price of a MBP has high expectations and the 15 MBP is their number one seller....with a reputation I imagine they highly value.
As someone waiting to get a Haswell 15 MBP, iGPU only models, with or without dGPU options, would make me wait for benchmarks to see how much Iris is really worth. I have a hard time believing it can match up with a dedicated card, although Apples choice of laptops cards seems to be based on power rather than performance. I can see a base model thats dGPU only, but throughout is unlikely. And if there is a dGPU option, that means the iGPU only one is not going to have extra batteries packed in there.
And contrary to what some say, Apple is after the gaming market. But its not the cutting edge gamers, its the casual gamers. For most people (not most gamers), the games on their ipads and iphones are fun and complex enough.
As someone waiting to get a Haswell 15 MBP, iGPU only models, with or without dGPU options, would make me wait for benchmarks to see how much Iris is really worth. I have a hard time believing it can match up with a dedicated card, although Apples choice of laptops cards seems to be based on power rather than performance. I can see a base model thats dGPU only, but throughout is unlikely. And if there is a dGPU option, that means the iGPU only one is not going to have extra batteries packed in there.
And contrary to what some say, Apple is after the gaming market. But its not the cutting edge gamers, its the casual gamers. For most people (not most gamers), the games on their ipads and iphones are fun and complex enough.
Can anyone offer an educated release date estimate? (and when orders could be placed online). I know its just assumption. Thanks......I refer to the 15" rMBP of course 
It's nice to see that Apple and intel (may) still have a "special relationship".
RGDS,
First, Intel HD graphics are mostly modular. Adding more execution units would involve some layout work and other testing, but would be far short of a complete redesign. Similarly, instead of the 128MB of L4 graphics cache that comes with Iris Pro 5200 graphics, Apple might want a larger cache. Not a complete redesign.
Second, we have no information about when Apple might have requested semi-custom Haswell chips from Intel. It could have been a year or two or even three years ago, for all we know.
Many of you are missing the glaring obvious. the article/rumor indicates the entire Pro line will be running on Iris. Also, there's even a report of the new MBP15 with this chip out in the wild:
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/09/next-generation-15-inch-macbook-pro-shows-up-in-benchmarks/
I really don't understand the denial and surprise by some of you people. iGPU's are coming to the 15". Let it go already
Nonsense. When the Retina MBP 15" was released, I checked out the Dell website if they offered anything comparable. A Dell laptop with comparable power was actually just slightly more expensive, with inferior quality (but larger) screen, enormously more weight, and no mention of battery life.
If they phase out the non-retina Macbook Pro and leave SSD drives as their only option for laptop computing, their Laptop sales will drop SIGNIFICANTLY . Many many people need 750GB, to 1TB storage and very very few will pay the Apple markup. In many cases, Apple does not even offer enough SSD storage options even if you wanted to flush cash down the toilet on their proprietary hardware options.
Example. You can buy a non-retina Macbook pro 13 and put 16GB RAM and 1TB drive in it for $1300-$1400. A retina version with Apples options (if they existed) would be about $1500 for the laptop, $400 for the RAM upgrade, and $600-$800 for a 1TB SSD. Add it up and you get $2500-$2700 + Tax (over $3k) for a 13" Laptop. And it only has a 1YR Warranty. Another $250 for the 3YR. If you don't buy the 3YR, you cant fix it yourself after 1YR and you get to pay the "genius" bar teenies to work on it for OUTRAGEOUS pricing.
Its not going to fly. You need a lower cost model that can perform what the mainstream needs. Otherwise, it is a sign that Apple is giving up on Desktops and Laptops.
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Anyways, the only applications said article tested were GAMES and GAMES ARE NOT VERY "pro".
You can't just cherry-pick the one benchmark that matches your argument. OVERALL, Anandtech shows the Iris Pro 5200 being vastly inferior to the 650M.
Also, it's cute that you think games are not "pro," but there's an awful lot of people who would disagree with you.
And what exactly is wrong with an external HDD? Not many people need 750GB in their laptop, that might be something U need but it's not common for many. Even people that use their Macbook for their livelihood don't need that much storage on the go daily.
Because the Geekbench benchmark that came out a few weeks ago showed a 15" prototype that did not have a dGPU.
Note also that it could be the same chips as everyone else, but just top bins.
It's common for chips to be created with "extra" cores / units / cache - and for defective units to be disabled.
Intel may be putting 50 or 60 GPU cores in these chips, and most of the chips have at least 40 that work correctly.
Some number, however, will have 48 working cores, or 50, or 54, ....
A 12 core CPU may be created on the same wafer as an 8 core CPU - bur the 8 core has a few defective cores.
You kinda contradicted yourself. You claimed that demand would skyrocket for the older models, but then that the 650M wouldn't be enough. Which is it?
The bottom line is that most users don't really care about the dGPU. It's pretty much the gaming community that's up in arms, and that's it. That isn't a big segment. Compute tasks are going to be roughly comparable.
I'd rather see a dGPU too, but the notion that losing it is going to cost Apple a bunch of market share is pretty silly.
My guess is that Apple is REALLY pushing OpenCL. Did you notice that at the developer conference? I think most of Apple's apps will be OpenCL based and The new Mac OS X will use a lot of OpenCL as well.
They are not going with a high end GPU for games.
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He's right "games" and "professional" or opposites. A "professional is one who uses the computer to make money. "games" is one who has time to kill. Those are cross purposes.
It may turn out both uses of the computer need a good GPU. Most pro apps are going to be using the GPU for non-graphics, things like transcoding or otherwise modifying media.
They are not going with a high end GPU for games.
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He's right "games" and "professional" or opposites. A "professional is one who uses the computer to make money. "games" is one who has time to kill. Those are cross purposes.
It may turn out both uses of the computer need a good GPU. Most pro apps are going to be using the GPU for non-graphics, things like transcoding or otherwise modifying media.
Agreed 100%. The Macbook 13" is, IMHO, the perfect size. I understand it will not have all the amenities its bigger brother (15") will have but I hope it is reasonable to expect a Quad Core CPU since the DVD unit is long gone.