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It's funny to see Intel going after Apple so hard considering how low the percentage of Mac users is. Just makes them look very desperate. Maybe they should really focus on chip development to keep the other computer makers like Microsoft from jumping onto the ARM/AMD bandwagon.
its not necessarily the percentage of Mac users, but the inside deals between intel and Apple. It was a solid cash cow for them. They had to manufacture chips for a variety of things for Apple (new products, spare parts, etc).
 
I don't see how this is even news-worthy. Basically you have the Intel marketing people baiting the Apple fan club into doing what they do best, make nonsensical replies and arguments. I really don't understand the mentality of the fan club members. Why would anyone think they owe Apple, or any other company, any loyalty at all. It isn't like Apple won't screw us out of our last dollar if they can. They will, and in a heartbeat. Apple has no loyalty toward us, nor does any other big-ass trillion dollar company. It is all about the sales and stroking our egos. Personally I buy a company's products as long as they are the best deal for me. When they stop being the right fit, then I go elsewhere. I've been buying Apple devices on and off since 1981, before most of the fan club members were even a horny gleam in their daddies's eyes, and I was not hesitant to switch to Wintel in the 1990s when Apple totally lost its way and churned out total garbage. Maybe if the fan club would stop stroking Apple and start complaining about all the bugs, lackluster iPadOS, and crap updates, Apple would be shocked into delivering better products again.
 
When I can build a state of the art desktop computer for under $3000 that will last me for over 7 years with Windows 11 and have a $650 Chromebook for portable use. I am no longer seeing a great value in Mac Hardware sales.
You're kidding right??? Any PC built today for less than $3K is not "state of the art." You can't even buy a top-of-the-line graphics card and processor for $3K, much less add Mobo, RAM, Power Supply, Case, Active Cooling, and NVMe SSDs. (All of which would be required to label it "state of the art.") And let's face it... even then - it's not lasting 7 years. Look at the tech from seven years ago now - you'd be rocking a dual GeForce GTX 980 setup with a 4th Gen i7-4700 CPU. That's hardly the equipment I would want to be using today.

And Chromebooks?? C'mon, anyone who has ever tried to get any real work done on one of those things knows it's trash. Type an email, build some crappy slides in the drink a pint of whiskey, close my eyes, and deny reality Google version of Powerpoint, or browse the web on a browser with Google-integrated spyware - sure Chromebooks are fine for that. It you want to get anything done though, grab a real computer.
 
You gamed on a MAC? I didn't know people did that. Seriously, More power to you, but I'd rather waste my time on other time wasters, haven't played computer games since space invaders

I dual-booted into Windows for gaming. Back in 2013, the GeForce 750M chip did just fine.
 
I was expecting real responses about why mac is truly superior, giving a true backfire to intel, but instead now it's just perceived as kids and apple fanboys trolling. Don't get me wrong, I like macs but I feel intel/pc users prob think of us lowly as we do of intel.
 
Get Real. Intel can pack 100x transistors in their CPU's than Apple can. Its not about the size of the CPU its about density.
Funny you say "Get real". Intel now smells like Samsung. You know, that sweat that comes from fear and desperation.
 
They seem to think the average customer cares about the chip … if I want a MacBook I want a MacBook. I am sure those people don’t give two beeps if it has „intel“ or a „M1“ inside. The new Macs just happen to no longer be using Intel 💁🏼 Good luck Intel

Indeed. My neighbour across the street bought a new M1 MBA a few months ago. His remark to me that stood out. "I just bought a new Macbook with the Intel M1". The average consumer has no idea about chips and does not care that they don't.
 
Intel attempted to paint Apple consumers as oblivious to "innovations" made by companies besides Apple, including "touch screen" laptops.
Intel has a point here, though...

It'd be like if Apple laptops had screens that were only capable of displaying 1/4th as many colors as they can while everyone else had the full colors.

These wouldn't make much of a practical difference, and yet it just leaves the Mac weirdly inferior.

A touchscreen on a laptop is a great embodiment of "it just works"... "it just works" is when something doesn't need to work, but you try it out anyways, and are delighted when "it just works". Apple has drifted so far away from that over the last 10 years. We've made it to the point where I can't remember the last time an Apple product delighted me with something just working. Instead I remember all the times when I wanted to do something basic on an Apple product that should have been easy, and it was simply impossible.

IE, try sharing pictures between Apple devices that have no internet connections. There's a bunch of ways it should work. The iPhone can generate a wifi network if it has a cellular signal, but not without. The Mac can host a wifi network without any internet connection, but as I recall AirDrop still wants a proper signal out to Apple's mothership (or maybe corporate rules blocked doing that on my laptop, I forget). All the devices have bluetooth. None of these features actually add up to being able to transfer pictures or anything else between devices, though.

I did find an app on the app store for transferring stuff between phones over bluetooth after the fact. But this seems like an obvious feature to just natively have in AirDrop. Even though it's rarely needed, that would be the attitude of a company that makes things that "just work". Not having it is the attitude of a company that wants to minimize expenses and maximize short term profits, shredding their reputation and future profits in the process.

(I say this as someone who just bought a little bit of Apple stock expecting Apple to get a major bump when they reveal a car and/or VR on Monday... it'll be something shiny that will drive up Apple's stocks for a year or two before I'll sell.)
 
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You're kidding right??? Any PC built today for less than $3K is not "state of the art." You can't even buy a top-of-the-line graphics card and processor for $3K, much less add Mobo, RAM, Power Supply, Case, Active Cooling, and NVMe SSDs. (All of which would be required to label it "state of the art.") And let's face it... even then - it's not lasting 7 years. Look at the tech from seven years ago now - you'd be rocking a dual GeForce GTX 980 setup with a 4th Gen i7-4700 CPU. That's hardly the equipment I would want to be using today.

You're trolling. Have a look at the PCPartPicker build guides. Yes, the "Magnificent AMD Gaming/Streaming Build" there right now is $3475, but notice that $2500 of that is the graphics card, and that's because graphics card prices are severely inflated these days. The rest of the build includes a high-end CPU, high-end motherboard, liquid cooling, 32 GB RAM, 1TB SSD, case, and 750W power supply all within about $1000.

And the nice thing about building a PC is that you can upgrade parts as you see fit. A ten-year-old PC with a new graphics card, SSD, and more memory would still largely hold its own with other PCs today.
 
Yeah, I'll likely be building a gaming PC, and it'll be Ryzen for sure.

Last year I built my desktop with a 3900X and absolutely love it. I'm not anti-Intel by any means, but I'm really enjoying the pressure AMD is applying and thought I'd make the switch. It's a fun time to be a tech nerd - lots of options out there!
 
Intel should just leave Apple alone. Apple chose the divorce, so let it go its own way. Let it assume all the risk. All Intel needs to do is: Deliver its products on time. Deliver Alder Lake, Raptor Lake, Meteor Lake, and the future Lakes. On time. Ramp EUV production, add the various tiles, and increase IPC each generation. And fend off the AMD threat.

Apple went its own way and that has to sting, but it's time to move on. Mac users use the Mac because many don't want to use Windows. So it's not even necessarily an anti-Intel or anti-x86 thing, but an Anti-Microsoft thing. So unless and until Intel goes back inside a Mac again, Intel will lose future Mac customers.

This is what happens when you stagnate, when you fall behind your competitors. This is what happens when you fail to take care of the needs of your customers. Even in marriages, you stop taking care of other people's needs, and the relationship is doomed. Apple had a right to move on... maybe if Intel delivers superior mobile solutions on par with or in excess of Apple Silicon (dubious given the TSMC node advantage, but still possible in a few years) then Apple might consider coming back (macOS x86 kernel support is still very robust, so Apple technically could come back if it wanted to). But even if it doesn't, then too bad. Just move on. And learn the lesson. Stagnation is death in a competitive market. Innovate, or die.
 
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The faster Intel dies as a company the better off we are. They are a company of old mindless fools that are happy just doing little bits of changes every year. Dump the company, fire the employees, and let technology fly!
 
Intel has a point here, though...

It'd be like if Apple laptops had screens that were only capable of displaying 1/4th as many colors as they can while everyone else had the full colors.

These wouldn't make much of a practical difference, and yet it just leaves the Mac weirdly inferior.

A touchscreen on a laptop is a great embodiment of "it just works"... "it just works" is when something doesn't need to work, but you try it out anyways, and are delighted when "it just works". Apple has drifted so far away from that over the last 10 years. We've made it to the point where I can't remember the last time an Apple product delighted me with something just working. Instead I remember all the times when I wanted to do something basic on an Apple product that should have been easy, and it was simply impossible.

IE, try sharing pictures between Apple devices that have no internet connections. There's a bunch of ways it should work. The iPhone can generate a wifi network if it has a cellular signal, but not without. The Mac can host a wifi network without any internet connection, but as I recall AirDrop still wants a proper signal out to Apple's mothership (or maybe corporate rules blocked doing that on my laptop, I forget). All the devices have bluetooth. None of these features actually add up to being able to transfer pictures or anything else between devices, though.

I did find an app on the app store for transferring stuff between phones over bluetooth after the fact. But this seems like an obvious feature to just natively have in AirDrop. Even though it's rarely needed, that would be the attitude of a company that makes things that "just work". Not having it is the attitude of a company that wants to minimize expenses and maximize short term profits, shredding their reputation and future profits in the process.

(I say this as someone who just bought a little bit of Apple stock expecting Apple to get a major bump when they reveal a car and/or VR on Monday... it'll be something shiny that will drive up Apple's stocks for a year or two before I'll sell.)
Touch screens and laptops are not a matter of “it just works”, because there are zero good reasons why you should be touching the screen on a laptop. If it were such a good feature, why do you suppose we aren’t seeing tons of examples of how people are efficiently touch-interacting with their laptop screen? What apps are there that make it possible to quickly and efficiently both type with your forearms and hands in the same plane as the laptop‘s keyboard AND then reach up to the screen, using fine motor skills to touch, pinch in or zoom out, again while holding your hand steady and not pushing too hard so that the screen moves backwards while you’re touching it.

It’s a disaster of a ”feature” that MS pushed as a way to try to show that they were also in the touch screen game like Apple with their iPhones and iPads. And I’m not going to even mention the fact that no one likes having fingerprints and smudges all over their 13”, 14” or 15” laptop screens…ok so I mentioned it.

I’m typing this on my M1 iPad Pro 12.9”, which I only touch the screen when it’s out of the Magic Keyboard working as a handheld device. I have even added a Magic Trackpad to my setup, so I can more easily do multi-touch inputs without having to raise my hand to the screen, or try to make the small included touch pad on the MK work.
 
I think the real worry Intel has is that Microsoft observes the success of Apple Silicon and decides they would like to get in the CPU/GPU game and design their own ARM based hardware or partner with someone else to do so and emulate Apples tight integration of the hardware with a new optimised version of Windows. After all while Apple silicon is a great hardware platform, it also locks in and funnels all the users dollars straight back to Apple, including what use to be Intels share. It is a cash cow for Apple. Á business stratergy Microsoft and possibly others must be looking closely at.
Exactly this. People confuse the Intel monopoly with the Windows/Intel monopoly. If Intel and Windows begin to part ways, and the choice is running Windows OS on a non-Intel CPU or running a non-Windows OS on an Intel CPU, we all know what the consumers will choose...

99% of those users have allegiance to Windows, not Intel.
 
They’re really pushing this narrative, and we all smell the desperation with the upcoming MacBook Pros. I hope Apple wipes the floor with them, and brings back Mac VS PC ads, but makes it processor based M1X vs Intel
 
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