Interested in getting a PowerPC Mac

[Macbookprodude]

With all due respect... you're completely misinformed and wrong. Snow leopard only has the ability to emulate PowerPC via Rosetta. It can't, and never will be able to be run on a PowerPC system.

Your "advice" is not only not helping anyone, but it's actually taking other misinformed people down a path paved with misinfiormation. Seriously... what is your motive here?

There is a thread on here where a beta version of Snow Leopard works on PPC Macs - it’s there. I saw it myself..
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Snow leopard

Hi i wondered if anyone here had had any success with the snow leopard server early development build for powerpc on the snow leopard forums?

forums.macrumors.com

 

[eyoungren]

There is a thread on here where a beta version of Snow Leopard works on PPC Macs - it’s there. I saw it myself..
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Snow leopard

Hi i wondered if anyone here had had any success with the snow leopard server early development build for powerpc on the snow leopard forums?

forums.macrumors.com

You aren't understanding what he means.

Yes. There is exactly what you show. You're right.

Now, once it's all running. Update to 10.6.8 on your PowerPC Mac. Run the app store. Run the latest iTunes that 10.6.8 can and update an iPad or an iPhone.

Download, install and run Intel apps for Snow Leopard.

No? None of that will be possible? You're stuck on 10.6? PowerPC can't run Intel apps even though it's 'running' 10.6?

Now do you see what he means?

So you've got 10.6 on your PowerPC Mac. What can you do with it that you can't do with Leopard?

 

[timidpimpin]

Also, that's not Snow Leopard at all. It's OS X Server.

 

[Macbookprodude]

You aren't understanding what he means.

Yes. There is exactly what you show. You're right.

Now, once it's all running. Update to 10.6.8 on your PowerPC Mac. Run the app store. Run the latest iTunes that 10.6.8 can and update an iPad or an iPhone.

Download, install and run Intel apps for Snow Leopard.

No? None of that will be possible? You're stuck on 10.6? PowerPC can't run Intel apps even though it's 'running' 10.6?

Now do you see what he means?

So you've got 10.6 on your PowerPC Mac. What can you do with it that you can't do with Leopard?

True, I see your point. 10.6 really doesn’t provide any much difference compared to 10.5.8, though we can finally say that 10.6 is truly the last OS for PPC - what will become of 10.6 once it’s been fully fixed, as I “had” it running on my PB G4 1.67 DLSD - though there wasn’t any QE/CI or airport yet supported. You know the story a few responses up what happened to my PB G4 ? I know it was a stupid move what I did, the only thing now is to get the hard drive running again because the Sudden motion sensor parked the heads. I have no other way to get it running unless I use the drive in an external enclosure(pata) which will get it running again.

Now, I am trying to decide if putting serious effort into finding another DLSD 17 is worth it as of 2020 ? The disc I made of Tiger because the original got corrupted as it failed the disc integrity check got stuck in my Pb G4 - something that has never happened before caused me to go ballistic that U destroyed the PB by throwing it on the carpet - I believe my HDD, a WD Scorpio 250GB is still fine, just the heads are parked. My friend who does Dara recovery says it should be fine as he will fix it.

The question remains is - at this point in 2020 are DLSD going to be reasonable ? I got mine back in 2010 from eBay for about 425.00 at the time.

 

[Amethyst1]

Also, that's not Snow Leopard at all. It's OS X Server.

I don't get it. It's Snow Leopard with extra stuff that can be disabled if you don't need it. You can even delete ServerVersion.plist so About This Mac shows the normal logo.
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Download, install and run Intel apps for Snow Leopard

I don't think anyone expects that to work. But there's a (slim) chance that some apps requiring 10.6 might secretly have been built as UB.
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that 10.6 is truly the last OS X for PPC

Fixed that for you.

 

[1042686]

Pro tip - Don’t throw your computers around.

 

[eyoungren]

I don't think anyone expects that to work. But there's a (slim) chance that some apps requiring 10.6 might secretly have been built as UB.

But that's the rub then isn't it?

Other than the act of installing it and the bragging rights in the About this Mac box, what's the point then?

I'm all for the kind of work that makes our old Macs relevant and current but I just see this as useless. It's a neutered OS that provides no benefit over the previous OS because you can't use any of it's Intel features or run Intel apps. I'd argue that slim chance of a UB build is pretty much non-existant.

So 'running' Snow Leopard on your PowerPC Mac literally means just that. 10.6 and nothing more.

 

[z970]

But that's the rub then isn't it?

Other than the act of installing it and the bragging rights in the About this Mac box, what's the point then?

I'm all for the kind of work that makes our old Macs relevant and current but I just see this as useless. It's a neutered OS that provides no benefit over the previous OS because you can't use any of it's non-Intel features or run Intel apps. I'd argue that slim chance of a UB build is pretty much non-existant.

So 'running' Snow Leopard on your PowerPC Mac literally means just that. 10.6 and nothing more.

As far as I understand the project, the allure of "Snow Leopard for PPC" is not the expected outcome per se, but the potential of what it can grow into, mainly thanks to some of the newer frameworks and bundles.

At this stage in time, that potential has not been fulfilled, therefore the current offering is in fact effectively useless. But that doesn't mean that will always be the case.

I could put some kind of hybrid image together myself, if only I had the time. Otherwise, the most useful strategy I can think of is to analyze the differences between 10.5.8 and the newest beta, and then splice those pieces together with 10.5.8 as a base, so to speak.

 

[Dronecatcher]

So 'running' Snow Leopard on your PowerPC Mac literally means just that. 10.6 and nothing more.

I largely agree - I won't be installing 10.6 until there's some practical benefit but what I don't like to see is the "ten-sixers" being ridiculed for their pursuit.

 

[eyoungren]

As far as I understand the project, the allure of "Snow Leopard for PPC" is not the expected outcome per se, but the potential of what it can grow into, mainly thanks to some of the newer frameworks and bundles.

At this stage in time, that potential has not been fulfilled, therefore the current offering is in fact effectively useless. But that doesn't mean that will always be the case.

I could put some kind of hybrid image together myself, if only I had the time. Otherwise, the most useful strategy I can think of is to analyze the differences between 10.5.8 and the newest beta, and then splice those pieces together with 10.5.8 as a base, so to speak.

I guess I just see the project as going nowhere. Right now there's a lot of interest and excitement and I know there are some dedicated people in there. Maybe something will come of that and that'd be great. I just don't think it's going to be any time soon and by the time anything does show up it's not going to relevant to a lot of us anymore.

That's just my opinion. If they want to prove me wrong, I'm all for that.

 

[z970]

I guess I just see the project as going nowhere. Right now there's a lot of interest and excitement and I know there are some dedicated people in there. Maybe something will come of that and that'd be great. I just don't think it's going to be any time soon and by the time anything does show up it's not going to relevant to a lot of us anymore.

That's just my opinion. If they want to prove me wrong, I'm all for that.

Well, it certainly doesn't help that the project itself is located in a comparatively desolate forum to begin with! Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere, it will be because of that.

And, Snow Leopard saw its last update nine years ago... I don't think relevancy was or will ever be a problem.

 

[Amethyst1]

Well, it certainly doesn't help that the project itself is located in a comparatively desolate forum to begin with! Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere, it will be because of that.

Is it possible to create a link to that thread here in this forum (and maybe have it stickied), do you know?

 

[eyoungren]

Well, it certainly doesn't help that the project itself is located in a comparatively desolate forum to begin with! Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere, it will be because of that.

And, Snow Leopard saw its last update nine years ago... I don't think relevancy was or will ever be a problem.

Well, as far as relevancy I was speaking more from a use case standpoint. I visit the Vintage Apple section on Reddit frequently and they are interested in a lot of the mid to late 80's Macs over there. They do a good job but using a Classic Mac as a daily driver? That's really not relevant to me. It could be, but it's not.

At some point our use of PowerPC Macs will be in that category. Right now we aren't but there will be a day. Dropping the ability to use 'X' under an SL install at that point is (to me) the same kind of thing as being able to run Netscape 2.x on a Classic Mac and access the web. Yeah, I've seen it and it can be done. But is it relevant any more?

That's the point I was trying to get to.
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Is it possible to create a link to that thread here in this forum (and maybe have it stickied), do you know?

You can ask the mods. @maflynn helps us a lot.

 

[timidpimpin]

Here's a better overall stance. No one should be using PowerPC Mac OS for daily internet access, unless they actually really know how to keep themselves secure. If you're not one of those people, then you should only use it offline. And that's not just with PowerPC Mac OS. No one should use any outdated OS online unless they really know what's up.

 

[Amethyst1]

No one should use any outdated OS online unless they really know what's up

Hey, don't take my OS/2 away

 

[z970]

Is it possible to create a link to that thread here in this forum (and maybe have it stickied), do you know?

I've asked @arn to do exactly that with the foxPEP thread, if it was possible to do.

Several weeks later, and I still don't know if it's possible.

 

[timidpimpin]

Hey, don't take my OS/2 away

That's actually an OS I never had the pleasure of using. But I do remember the early 90's when they were advertising everywhere.

 

[Amethyst1]

That's actually an OS I never had the pleasure of using. But I do remember the early 90's when they were advertising everywhere.

Loved it back in the nineties. I have bought licenses for both project(s) that try/tried to take it to the 21st century. Not that I'm using it much these days.

 

[MagicBoy]

Well, it certainly doesn't help that the project itself is located in a comparatively desolate forum to begin with! Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere, it will be because of that.

Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere it's because it was futile in the first place.

 

[z970]

Mark my words, if it never goes anywhere it's because it was futile in the first place.

In what color shall I mark your words in?

 

[Gamer9430]

I’d just like to input that the events that have transpired in this thread are the exact reason why I have lost any motivation to use my collection of PowerPC Macs. People like Dronecatcher and Z970 who insert their agenda for how they want to use their computers into every single thread and god forbid you use them in any other way than the way they want. Countless threads have been overtaken by their unchangeable viewpoints and detract from the original question at hand. It shouldn’t be necessary to hear a whole endless rant about why Linux is the greatest operating system in the history of computing when the OP simply asked how to install Leopard on his PPC. Or why running classic is “vastly” superior to running OS 9 itself, in a thread about how to install OS 9. Or how about the hundreds of threads on how to play YouTube on a PowerPC Mac. It’s 2020, the last PowerPC Mac rolled off the assembly line 15 years ago. YouTube in its current format was not designed to run on hardware and graphics that are probably older than half the people coding the website itself. If you have to do 20 different things and take 10 minutes to watch one single YouTube video, is it even really worth it?

People like those aforementioned above have squeezed every last drop of fun and magic out of PowerPC Macs. No one is free to go off and do stuff their own way with their Macs and post about in here without receiving about 20 different replies about how they did it wrong and it should have been done a different way and how dare they have done it that way. Not only is that discouraging to new comers, but that’s discouraging to people like myself, Bunnspecial, LightBulbFun, Dosdude1, eyoungren, and others who use PPCs for their own enjoyment and experiment with them in ways many of the people berating others cannot because they lack the skills and knowledge to do so. If Dosdude was told “how dare you take a perfectly good G3 Mac with the greatest processor in the history of the world and put a crappy G4 in”, do you really think he would be encouraged to keep doing stuff like that? That’s what happens when the aforementioned do exactly that with every conceivable thing anyone else can do with a PPC Mac, because how dare you not use it the way they are.

I’m tired of seeing it and I know many others are as well. This is why so many prolific users who used to be active on the forums, like Intell for example, don’t even bother posting in here anymore. Why make the effort to post about something if you know there’s a group of users who are going to crap on and break down every single character you type into the forum post.

Guess it’s time to go back into hiding now...

 

[Intell]

I was summoned! *puts cheese hat on Gamer9430*

Oh my this is a thread. I do rather feel that this subforum has gotten distracted from what it should be. While overall, it's the discussion of everything PowerPC Macs. It's strayed from that into the land of early Intell Macs and non-Macs in general. My opinions on that are irrelevant, because it isn't causing me any harm to simply not participate in threads or topics I don't want it.

But the root of this subforum's mission is to help people, often those that finally picked up that cool looking G4 iMac they've been wanting since 2004 or to find out what the weird liquid is coming out of the PowerMac G5. We're here to help, guide, and assist those that are asking for help. And we should do so in an unbiased way as possible. Had they come here asking for opinions or to be ridiculed, they would have asked or gone to another subforum where such environments are much more commonplace.

This subforum was always a tight knit community looking out for new comers and helping old timers. Let's not stray from why we are all here; to help others and be pleasant.

 

[AL1630]

I hate to get into this, but...

When I became interested in PPC Macs a few years ago, part of the reason I liked them so much was the community. People were always friendly and helpful as Intell said, but now it seems like every thread devolves into arguing somehow. I'm not naming anyone here, but it seems as though people who had previously gotten along from what I could see are getting on opposite sides of this 'argument' that honestly doesn't even matter. I get that people are proud of their accomplishments, many of which are impressive and very cool to see happen. Truth is, we all seem to have the same goal, using 15+ year old computers for whatever your personal purposes are. To me, it doesn't seem worth it to fight over which method of getting usage out of a computer is better. The more people who get involved in the community here, the more there are to help with projects and help newbies get started.

It seems like this thread lasted about 2 pages before going off the rails, and OP hasn't posted in days. Hopefully they haven't gotten scared off and are still interested in PowerPC.

 

[z970]

@Gamer9430 Please provide the latest example of where I've done what you claim. I admit that I've gone off on off-topic tangents in the past, but I've since tried to engage in politics less and more of where I can instead make something of myself to wherever applicable, because I saw and continue to see the latter as a better thing to do.

Funnily enough, I actually wish you posted more often. I've always thought that you have good inputs when the subject matter is not conflict related - although I wish I had more examples to back that up.

Regardless, I'd rather you not go back into hiding and instead actually join the discussion more to apply yourself, if at the very least to indirectly repair unnecessary rifts in our community. Who am I to say, but we may all in good time find ourselves thankful that you did.

 

[comda]

So...presumably PPC machines are only good for hoarding until they can be resold at a profit, pimping out at ridiculous cost or booting an OS they can't reasonably run..unless of course it's 10.6?

That's a really low and bold statement to push. I've been lurking on the sub for a while because I genuinely miss working on this stuff, but as you guessed it regular life gets in the way.

Anyways, I had to actually post again because I have actually personally met Bunns in person and this statement is FAR from the truth. I went on a country wide trip a few years ago and Bunns not only invited me over to help me diagnose my dead Quicksilver, but once we found my CPU (1ghz DP) was dead, he sent me home with the best replacement he had at the time, free of charge mind you.

The entire time I was there, he kept offering me FREE machines, of which I obviously wanted, but knew they wouldn't get the love and attention they deserve so I turned a LOT down. And I mean a LOT. End of the day, I still left with a free CPU and even a few other free goodies that Bunns was more than happy to donate to me.

I don't usually go half way across the country to visit some man I met online, but Bunns and a few other people (you all know who you are) have been seriously some of the nicest and most helpful folks I've yet to meet. Not only did this forum help with my PPC's when I couldn't afford anything better to use in late 2012 but in the past few years even the same people here, helped me buy the Mac of my dreams and to those individuals I thank you. Its these kinds of people that have made my life easier.

So Dronecatcher, before you make baseless assumptions like that, I urge you to check this forum, and the LEM page on Facebook and see all the contributions and help Bunns has offered. Cause this drama is useless and not factual at all.