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Lets keep in mind this person doesn't have a review unit and is basing the info off in store viewing and other sources.

Using the same in-store evaluation method used by your average Apple iPhone aficionados to determine how horrible Android phones are, there's nothing new here. :eek:
 
I was gonna post my thoughts about the screen after seeing it in person. I couldn't believe my eyes either. I mean, just look at the 'screen door' effect' on this one.

Here's hoping the actual units shipped are better, but I doubt it at this point.
 

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It sounds to me like that person had some extremely inflated ideas of what the watch would be like. Also some strange ideas of how small things are in relation to each other :) And he shows a picture of the screen that looks bright and complains that it isn't bright...what, did he think was going to be lasers shining directly into your eyes?
 
The criticism about size is laughable. That's one of the best things about the Watch in my opinion. All of the other smartwatches are huge. I can't believe he actually used a picture of the Moto 360 next to the Watch and thinks that he's illustrating a failure of the watch.
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I am _not_ directing my comment at mightyjabba.

I'm simply using this post above as example of a nearly identical theory and often stated argument used by hundreds of Apple fans towards the "huge" displays exclusive to Android phones until Apple caved to market demand and created the 6 series iPhones. Then, suddenly, the iPhone 6 Plus like I enjoy was brilliant.

I'm all for choices and appreciate the fine work Apple does... It is the endless hypocrisy that makes Apple look bad. They're already wildly successful, why the devotees have to satiate their egos this way is a bit odd.
 
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I am _not_ directing my comment at mightyjabba.

I'm simply using this post above as example of a nearly identical theory and often stated argument used by hundreds of Apple fans towards the "huge" displays exclusive to Android phones until Apple caved to market demand and created the 6 series iPhones. Then, suddenly, the iPhone 6 Plus like I enjoy was brilliant.

I'm all for choices and appreciate the fine work Apple does... It is the endless hypocrisy that makes Apple look bad. They're already wildly successful, why the devotees have to satiate their egos this way is a bit odd.

I think that's a false equivalence. (For the record, I wasn't one of the people who made fun of larger screens and bought the Plus as soon as it came out.) But there's a limit to how big something that you strap to your arm can really be without looking comical. I don't mind large watches if it's a traditional timepiece, but something like this? No thanks.

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I think that's a false equivalence. (For the record, I wasn't one of the people who made fun of larger screens and bought the Plus as soon as it came out.) But there's a limit to how big something that you strap to your arm can really be without looking comical. I don't mind large watches if it's a traditional timepiece, but something like this? No thanks.

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While I understand your position, there are lots of wrists, mine is one, on which that particular smartwatch fits on, is size appropriate and therefore it's not outrageous looking. Now I don't own one of those, but at 6'4" tall I do own other watches of that size that fit nicely. It's about choices.

Living in Southern California where the women are especially style conscious, and in my zip code, very wealthy, I routinely and frequently see many of them wearing solid gold diamond encrusted men's Rolex timepieces. Add in a few diamond bracelets on the same wrist, and that becomes the current and rather long lasting fashion they choose.

I celebrate variety, choices, and the beautiful women that embrace being fashionable.
 
LOL at their sample photo. It's blurry because they weren't steady when taking the picture. They have by far the worst picture of it I have seen. Look at the dozen or so other pictures on this board they don't look anything as bad as theirs.

The pictures Apple posts are not 3D renders. If you look very close at some of the pictures and video. You can see VERY small imperfections. Of course you can fake this by why.

There has been quite a few articles talking to the photographers for Apple products. To get that level of quality requires a lot of skill and very good and complex lighting setups.

I had someone recently argue with me that you can't get this level of detail unless it's rendered. Anyone who says that has never used a really good macro lens.

I just posted a clearer pic of a demo unit. You are able to see the 'screen door' effect on this one and I did notice it in person too. Prepare to see more evidence when you zoom in.

Anyway, here's the pic again:
 

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While I understand your position, there are lots of wrists, mine is one, on which that particular smartwatch fits on, is size appropriate and therefore it's not outrageous looking. Now I don't own one of those, but at 6'4" tall I do own other watches of that size that fit nicely. It's about choices.

It's great if you like the 360 -- I'm sure it can work for some people. But it seems silly to complain that the Apple Watch isn't that big, when Apple is trying to appeal to the largest number of people possible. I really think going smaller, and therefore appealing to women and shorter people, was one of the key things that Apple got right about the watch. And let's face it, the current crop of Android Wear devices haven't exactly set the world on fire in terms of sales (unlike large-screen phones, which were very popular), so maybe people actually want smaller smartwatches.
 
I was gonna post my thoughts about the screen after seeing it in person. I couldn't believe my eyes either. I mean, just look at the 'screen door' effect' on this one.

Here's hoping the actual units shipped are better, but I doubt it at this point.

That screen door effect is the result of taking a photo of it…it doesn't actually look like that in person. Ever tried to take a photo of your screen from close-mid range? It looks weird.
 
I don't mind large watches if it's a traditional timepiece, but something like this? No thanks.

What's that a photo of? A Moto 360 on a kid? Or a small wristed girl? Any watch looks huge from certain angles.

I have a very slim left wrist, only about 165mm. I just took this photo a few minutes ago:

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Is the Moto 360 large? Sure. Is it monstrous? No.

This is the reason why I'm buying all sorts of used smartwatches. I want to see and try them for myself, and then speak from personal experience. The internet is full of misleading info.
 
That screen door effect is the result of taking a photo of it…it doesn't actually look like that in person. Ever tried to take a photo of your screen from close-mid range? It looks weird.

Ahh..I'm hoping you're right but I do remember seeing the screen door in person. I might be wrong and I'm hoping I'm wrong..crossing fingers.
 
It's great if you like the 360 -- I'm sure it can work for some people. But it seems silly to complain that the Apple Watch isn't that big, when Apple is trying to appeal to the largest number of people possible. I really think going smaller, and therefore appealing to women and shorter people, was one of the key things that Apple got right about the watch. And let's face it, the current crop of Android Wear devices haven't exactly set the world on fire in terms of sales (unlike large-screen phones, which were very popular), so maybe people actually want smaller smartwatches.

There are a vast number of NFL, NBA, NHL and other professional athletes that are of my size and much larger. With ravenous appetites for luxury goods they'll most certainly pass on Apple Watches diminutive size. I was a bit surprised after seeing it in person. A very experienced watch collector I know how to visualize various sizes easily, but in person the Apple Watch was perceived as smaller, lighter, and less refined than it's portrayed.
 
The author of this article does not present 3 inconvenient truths, what he actually presents are 3 personal opinions.

#1 opinion = I have wrists like ham hocks and therefore Apple made an epic fail by not making a watch big enough to look proper on them.

My opinion= I measured my Pebble watch and it appears that the :apple:Watch is slightly larger then it. Also I may be wrong here, but are not screens measured on a diagonal? He puts length & width but not the hypotenuse.

#2 opinion = is just that, an opinion. He is complaining about things being too perfect, not being made the the way he thinks they should be. The straps are too perfect. There's no stitching visible on the leather straps.

My opinion = this whole watch is something new. Nothing about it goes by past standards. He's complaining that Apple has found a way to manufacture a leather strap without any stitches or apparent seams. Stitching and seams on a watch band can feel uncomfortable to some people, but in order for Apple to please him they had better put them in. Even if they are not needed any more. Welcome to the 21st century. The times they are a changing.

Opinion #3 = Here he complains about the screen being not clear enough for his tastes.

My opinion = In opinion #1 he complained about Apple using close up photography to make things look larger. Now he resorts to the same blown up photos to attempt to make his point. And his photo, in my opinion, has too much light glare in it to use as a point in his argument.

There are no inconvenient truths in his piece, only his opinions.
 
There are a vast number of NFL, NBA, NHL and other professional athletes that are of my size and much larger. With ravenous appetites for luxury goods they'll most certainly pass on Apple Watches diminutive size. I was a bit surprised after seeing it in person. A very experienced watch collector I know how to visualize various sizes easily, but in person the Apple Watch was perceived as smaller, lighter, and less refined than it's portrayed.

Well, this is the first product of its kind from Apple. I don't think you can expect them to cater to every possible type of customer. I'm kind of surprised they went as far as they did, with two sizes, and many different styles/bands. Maybe there's room for an Apple Watch Plus in the future if it takes off, but at the moment I think they made the right choice, size wise.
 
The display doesn't look Retina-quality if you use it like an iPhone, but on your wrist where it belongs it looks fine for now. The OLED black levels are stunning. The contrast on the display is the best of any Apple device I've seen.
 
I think that's a false equivalence. (For the record, I wasn't one of the people who made fun of larger screens and bought the Plus as soon as it came out.) But there's a limit to how big something that you strap to your arm can really be without looking comical. I don't mind large watches if it's a traditional timepiece, but something like this? No thanks.

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That's a nice sized watch, lol.

EDIT: Wait, that's not a doctored photo? Haha holy friggen crap!
 
Well, this is the first product of its kind from Apple. I don't think you can expect them to cater to every possible type of customer. I'm kind of surprised they went as far as they did, with two sizes, and many different styles/bands. Maybe there's room for an Apple Watch Plus in the future if it takes off, but at the moment I think they made the right choice, size wise.

I concur.

Given the many challenges I most certainly agree they've done a nice job of taking the myriad of variables and focused on what appeals to the broad audience, a daunting task indeed.

It's a very interesting project to follow, and once watches are being used by the public, it'll only get more fascinating.
 
you guys probably are not watch people. 42mm is pretty much the norm these days for guys. the moto360 looks fine on a guys wrist.
 
https://medium.com/@flyosity/inconvenient-truths-about-the-apple-watch-11bafa44551b

There's seems to be some that are either overly impressed with the watch in person or under impressed. Do you guys agree with any points in this article?

Biggest shocker to me, was his opinion on the screen. I too am expecting a bright, beautiful screen.

I saw absolutely nothing wrong with the screen. Then again, I did not examine it with a microscope.

I do agree somewhat about the leather bands. While I don't think they are as bad as he says they are, they aren't my first choice. I will say that I would absolutely hate stitches on my watch band.

I fully agree about the sport band. It is really nice.

I think he's being very nitpicky about the size. No, it isn't giant like some of the coke bottle watch faces you see these days, but it is hardly tiny. Several of the pictures he uses to show how tiny the watch is actually sow that it is comparable to many current watches. And the complaint about how zooming in on the crown makes it look huge? That is just silly.

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What the hell is a screen door effect?

Never mind, just figured it out. I definitely did NOT see this in person.
 
I don't really agree with this other than the leather bands not feeling as good as I hoped. Especially disagree on the size, the 42 is very much big enough for 95% of people. Sure if you're hulkish in size it will be small, and the reviewer does suggest he's a big guy.

He compares it to being smaller than the moto360, which is a very good thing as the moto360 has been blasted as too big for a lot of people.
 
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