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I'm loving my 4S. I've had it for 5 months, which was preceded by 3 horrible years filled with android. No way in hell I would ever go back to android.

And I cannot wait for the next iPhone. It's probably going to be the biggest consumer electronics launch in history.

Though I admit to finding Windows 8 enticing and may replace my spouse's 3GS with a midrange Windows 8 phone in the fall.
 
Unfortunately, fragmentation is still Android's biggest problem.

You want the newest version of Android but don't want to wait, you root and flash a ROM, simple. Who cares what version of Android other phones are running?
 
Well, I left the iPhone 4 to an Android because my backplate shattered. I know I could have gotten it replaced for $25, but then I would have had to spend more money for another case. I had gone through two bumpers at that point. We're even getting yet ANOTHER bumper in the next few months. With that in mind, it was useless to continue to buy and buy accessories for a phone that I would have replaced in the next few months anyway.

I also liked the idea of a bigger screen. The clearness of Retina is great, but my only good eye is getting old and I need better accessibility.
 
You want the newest version of Android but don't want to wait, you root and flash a ROM, simple. Who cares what version of Android other phones are running?

It is more of a problem for the developers than that of the users.

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The main reason I dislike Apple is that they deliberately hold features back for a future version of their software/device even when it would make perfect sense to include it earlier.

For example, the original iPhone didn't ship with the ability to send text messages to multiple people at a time, forward text messages or send/receive MMS. They all came later.

iOS is only now getting the option to attach files to an email from the email compose screen, and it's still only possible to attach pictures and videos. It seems like they might be holding back on letting us attach other documents such as pages documents and others. It simply doesn't make sense not to be able to do that when composing an email.

All of these features should have been in version 1 of the software like most phones before it. I really like Apple devices so this behaviour frustrates me.
 
I'm loving my 4S. I've had it for 5 months, which was preceded by 3 horrible years filled with android. No way in hell I would ever go back to android.

And I cannot wait for the next iPhone. It's probably going to be the biggest consumer electronics launch in history.

Though I admit to finding Windows 8 enticing and may replace my spouse's 3GS with a midrange Windows 8 phone in the fall.

I have to consider this a troll statement unless you clarify what phones you had.
 
I have to consider this a troll statement unless you clarify what phones you had.

Not in order of purchase.

Htc Hero Sprint
Htc Evo white
Htc Evo black
Samsung Nexus S Sprint
Samsung Galaxy S2 AT&T
Samsung Galaxy S2 Sprint
Samsung Infuse
Galaxy Nexus GSM. Returned after 2 days because it was so bad. Got the iPhone right after.

All were riddled with problems.
 
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Please don't take this as a trolling question, as I have never used an HTC device, but I have read that the HTC built in such agressive memory optimization, that apps get deleted from memory immediately after you switch to another app, basically defeating the purpose of multi-tasking.

Is the fix out for this yet? Is it easy to install? If you have the fix, does it actually "fix" the memory management issue?

I am just curious. I suppose I could just google search, but I prefer to hear from an actual owner of the device that has gone through the issues of their personal phone. Thanks in advance. Again not trolling, just very curious.

I have been using Android and iPhones concurrently since day one for each platform. My point simply being that I'm one that embraces all things tech & enjoys the various experiences.

As much as I will be the first to admit I wish Apple was always the best, just because I've been with them since 1991 & have had such excellent, enjoyable experiences with my many PowerBooks & MBP's / MBA's, doesn't mean I'm hesitant to speak out when Apple falters. I apply this same philosophy of being outspoken to all brands.

Of the five HTC Android phones I've had dating back to their first, there's not been one that has had this so called "memory problem".

When it comes to Android complaints, the great majority of them come from users that have not taken responsibility to learn the OS _first_ before declaring a _problem_.

HTC uses a different method of handling memory. One they've since improved on. The HTC One X is every bit as efficient as my Samsung Galaxy series of phones are. Due to this change, the HTC One X & my domestic market (read home market) Galaxy S III are as close as they come to being near equals.

Fragmentation? An overused buzzword used largely to bash Android.

Does it exist? Yes. Is it a massive problem? Not considering that Android is no different than iOS. It's constantly evolving, being improved, and moving forward.

I'd much rather have progress & focus on the positives, than to jump on the "Fanboy - Basher Wagon".
 
The passing of Steve Jobs has taken away the charm, and by charm I mean soul-sucking, mindbending, demoralizing reality distortion field, that Apple once had.

Now that Apple's tractor beams are disabled, people here are beginning to wonder why they are sticking to a locked-down, dumbed-down OS.

I mean, lets be honest, people who post here aren't in Apple's iOS target demographic anyway.
 
I think their intentional incremental updates illustrate their taking customers for granted. For example, iOS6 brings Facebook integration, why couldn't that be added when they added Twitter integration? It could have, they just simply didn't. Throughout iOS' existence, there are many examples of that exact same scenario. They just know their customer will still be there later, so they don't have to make the iPhone as good as they can.

iOS 5 was a huge step up from iOS 4. iOS 6 was the incremental update. I think using the plural in this regard is pretty silly.

I disagree, I think currently there are a few phones that trump the iPhone, but that's a different discussion entirely. As for IPS, I don't think it's on the same level as AMOLED. I much prefer viewing an AMOLED HD screen over the iPhone's IPS display. To be clear, I do think the iPhone has a nice display, but I feel there are better displays out there. For example, I think the One X, GS3, and GNex all have better screens. Of course this is a matter of opinion though, and again is a totally different discussion.

Could not disagree more on this. IPS produces a brighter panel, substantially better whites, and natural colors compared to the artificial saturation of colors on Amoled. The One X does have a better screen than the 4/4S, and it's LCD2. The GNex has a pretty crummy screen and the GS3 is better but still not in the same class as the 4/4S or One X. You are right, this is a matter of opinion, but I feel very strongly that IPS is vastly superior to Amoled for smartphones.

Not worrying is what got RIM to where they are today. No, Jellybean is not a major step forward and is a smaller update, hence why it's 4.1 and not 5.0. The more major release will come in the 4th quarter with the release of the next Nexus phone. You can't compare that to iOS because there will have been two Android updates this year, whereas Apple made their customers wait a year for an incremental/marginal update. In the same time, Google would have provided 2 updates. That's the difference.

The more major release? What? Jelly Bean is the next update. You know exactly what the next Nexus will be shipping with. The next major Android OS release will be named stupidly after another desert and won't hit the market until 2013. You are mistaken if you think another Android OS update is coming this year.




A 4" screen and LTE is only exciting to a person who is strictly faithful to iPhone. In the grand scheme of things, 4" and LTE is a phone that came out more than a year ago. Not exactly anything to get excited about, and THAT is the exact reason iPhone fans are starting to look at other phones. It will definitely sell, but there will also be a segment of people that will not be wooed by adding what in today's market would be considered very basic additions. In today's market a 4" screen is still small. For example, compare the browsing and multimedia experience on the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus S. They both have the same OS but the experience is much better on the GNex due to the increased screen real estate. My uncle who has had every iPhone up until the launch of the 4S, refused to buy the 4S because it wasn't a significant enough upgrade over the 4. Now, he wants to buy my GNex, or he may use his upgrade on a GS3, because he's tired of waiting on the release of the next iPhone, and he doesn't believe it's going to add anything major (in comparison to the competition) when that release comes. He's not alone, there are a number of people who are in the same boat.

Could not disagree more on this last paragraph. In the smartphone world, 4" is not a big deal, and yet it is when it comes to the most popular smartphone on the market. LTE is a very big deal, regardless if other models currently have it.

I promise you that the next iPhone will be the biggest success for Apple to date. You are simply mistaken. On the whole, people love the iPhone. Look at its sales in the States alone with respect to the 4S currently. Despite it's small screen and 3G it's still a huge seller to date. Your uncle is being impatient. Yeah, he gets a larger screen and has to deal with Amoled (which again, IMO, is a step down from IPS). I also wouldn't automatically assume that a 4.5" screen and larger is a huge improvement over say a 4" screen. You'll find that a lot of consumers are perfectly happy with a great 4" screen on their smartphones.

The iPhone is in dire need of a hardware refresh. Absolutely. And that's coming in a matter of months. And when it does, it will be huge. You want to disagree, so be it, but I think that's honestly a given.
 

Could not disagree more on this last paragraph. In the smartphone world, 4" is not a big deal, and yet it is when it comes to the most popular smartphone on the market. LTE is a very big deal, regardless if other models currently have it.

I promise you that the next iPhone will be the biggest success for Apple to date. You are simply mistaken. On the whole, people love the iPhone. Look at its sales in the States alone with respect to the 4S currently. Despite it's small screen and 3G it's still a huge seller to date. Your uncle is being impatient. Yeah, he gets a larger screen and has to deal with Amoled (which again, IMO, is a step down from IPS). I also wouldn't automatically assume that a 4.5" screen and larger is a huge improvement over say a 4" screen. You'll find that a lot of consumers are perfectly happy with a great 4" screen on their smartphones.

The iPhone is in dire need of a hardware refresh. Absolutely. And that's coming in a matter of months. And when it does, it will be huge. You want to disagree, so be it, but I think that's honestly a given.


It's easy for one to say that. Giving apple's huge success for the iPhone through the years. This iPhone will be no exception. Heck, most of the people talking reckless about the iPhone in this thread will be up at the crack of dawn waiting in line:D

I know I'll be.......but trust when I say "apples reign will eventually falter" whether it be android or an OS that doesn't even exist yet.
 
You want the newest version of Android but don't want to wait, you root and flash a ROM, simple. Who cares what version of Android other phones are running?

The example given was of software not being compatible with the device, not an update issue.

Also, it's been shown that flashing ROMs compromises the security of the device. Taking the chance that your identity, credit card numbers, or proprietary corporate information might get stolen, isn't a smart risk to take for an early update. This has already happened, protect yourselves.
 
It's easy for one to say that. Giving apple's huge success for the iPhone through the years. This iPhone will be no exception. Heck, most of the people talking reckless about the iPhone in this thread will be up at the crack of dawn waiting in line:D

I know I'll be.......but trust when I say "apples reign will eventually falter" whether it be android or an OS that doesn't even exist yet.

People more often than not love their Apple devices. Not like, literally love and are completely satisfied. All Apple needs to do is stay committed to being Apple and never be lured into the gutter by 3rd rate junk like android.

If Steve were alive he would happily tell use that market share is not most important. I don't know if Tim Cook has the heart to fight the board of directors and Internet morons that want a larger market share by chasing the dollars of tasteless idiots. I hope Tim has the fire to resist.

The day Apple becomes more concerned with "reigning" over customers and products is the day they need to rehire Gil Amelio .
 
Fragmentation? An overused buzzword used largely to bash Android.

Does it exist? Yes. Is it a massive problem? Not considering that Android is no different than iOS. It's constantly evolving, being improved, and moving forward.

There are some notable apps, which are available on both Android an iOS, yet don't run on the HTC One X, despite running on the iPhone 3GS. I've seen many examples of apps not running on specific Android devices, but running on ther less powerful versions for some reason. Apparently each Android version and each carrier modification has resulted in each carrier using a different audio subsystem. I've seen audio not work in some devices, but work in others.

The problem is more with apps than with OS versions.
 
The example given was of software not being compatible with the device, not an update issue.

Also, it's been shown that flashing ROMs compromises the security of the device. Taking the chance that your identity, credit card numbers, or proprietary corporate information might get stolen, isn't a smart risk to take for an early update. This has already happened, protect yourselves.

To be fair though, iTunes is a known security hole in its own. So many people have gotten their accounts hacked and money stolen. I refuse to ever use a credit card on there. I will only use Apple gift cards.

And with Apple getting ready to start with NFC payments with the iPhone 5 I think we are going to hear a lot more people crying about a lack of security. Hope I am wrong, cause NFC payments sounds awesome and I no longer need a wallet to carry around, but time will tell.
 
My wife is sexy, my phone is a tool. My iPhone works just fine, Apple continues to improve. I see no reason to change.
 
To be fair though, iTunes is a known security hole in its own. So many people have gotten their accounts hacked and money stolen. I refuse to ever use a credit card on there. I will only use Apple gift cards.

And with Apple getting ready to start with NFC payments with the iPhone 5 I think we are going to hear a lot more people crying about a lack of security. Hope I am wrong, cause NFC payments sounds awesome and I no longer need a wallet to carry around, but time will tell.

I've yet to hear any reports of this being an iTunes specific issue. Usually it's a phishing scheme or key logger on Windows issue. iTunes has the largest database (over 400 million) of accounts linked to credit cards on the Internet, if it were an inherent iTunes problem (like Sony's PSN problem a while back), it would be much more widespread.
 
Not in order of purchase.

Htc Hero Sprint
Htc Evo white
Htc Evo black
Samsung Nexus S Sprint
Samsung Galaxy S2 AT&T
Samsung Galaxy S2 Sprint
Samsung Infuse
Galaxy Nexus GSM. Returned after 2 days because it was so bad. Got the iPhone right after.

All were riddled with problems.

Ive had a few of those phones. The S2 is considered one of the best smartphones ever made and you had problems with TWO of them? Plus other great phones like the Evo and Hero. Ummm, yea. Thats user error, stick with the iPhone and its simplicity then. We will handle the big boy phones :)

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The main reason I dislike Apple is that they deliberately hold features back for a future version of their software/device even when it would make perfect sense to include it earlier.

For example, the original iPhone didn't ship with the ability to send text messages to multiple people at a time, forward text messages or send/receive MMS. They all came later.

iOS is only now getting the option to attach files to an email from the email compose screen, and it's still only possible to attach pictures and videos. It seems like they might be holding back on letting us attach other documents such as pages documents and others. It simply doesn't make sense not to be able to do that when composing an email.

All of these features should have been in version 1 of the software like most phones before it. I really like Apple devices so this behaviour frustrates me.


This x10000

They either hold these back on purpose to force people into upgrading or they have the most retarded devs in history working on their OS. Either way, its BS.
 
Not in order of purchase.

Htc Hero Sprint
Htc Evo white
Htc Evo black
Samsung Nexus S Sprint
Samsung Galaxy S2 AT&T
Samsung Galaxy S2 Sprint
Samsung Infuse
Galaxy Nexus GSM. Returned after 2 days because it was so bad. Got the iPhone right after.

All were riddled with problems.

You had some of the best phones ever made(some twice) and you had issues will all of them? That's called user is a idiot. I find it hard to believe you had major issues with all of those phones, yet not one issue with your iPhone.
 
To be fair though, iTunes is a known security hole in its own. So many people have gotten their accounts hacked and money stolen. I refuse to ever use a credit card on there. I will only use Apple gift cards.

And with Apple getting ready to start with NFC payments with the iPhone 5 I think we are going to hear a lot more people crying about a lack of security. Hope I am wrong, cause NFC payments sounds awesome and I no longer need a wallet to carry around, but time will tell.

DodgeV83 isnt fair though and never mentions these things. Now says he never heard of that happening. Its been mentioned in these forums but i guess he ignored them like he does everything else he gets proven wrong.
 
I am much like the OP, as in the go-to person for anything Apple (mostly iPhone).

But the extra wait last year, only to see it was only for the 4S, is kind of a hard to ignore when I look back.

At this point a slightly larger screen is probably not going to do it for me. They will have to bring more to the party. I hope they do, but if not I will have to think hard about staying with the iPhone. This is the first time I have felt this way about an upcoming iPhone.




Michael
 
To be fair though, iTunes is a known security hole in its own. So many people have gotten their accounts hacked and money stolen. I refuse to ever use a credit card on there. I will only use Apple gift cards.

Yep. The ONLY time I have ever had a credit card issue was with Apple. They sent a receipt to my email for a new iPhone 4 but the shipping address was 2 hours from my house to some guy. My bank credited the money back right away and Apple acknowledged it was a problem on their end but still. Since they had my credit card info AND my email address, I am pretty sure it was someone working with Apple that did this. Never once had an issue with Google and/or Android in 4 years.
 
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