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What makes you think I forgot about it, because I didn't mention it in a non-related post?

You can't compare one or two new OS features, which came out over a year after the phone's debut, to the large number of both existing and future applications that simply don't work on a large number of handsets.

The iPhone 3GS has all 200+ iOS6 features, besides two, and it already didn't have one of them. It's normal for Android phones to never get an update to the new OS, or to get it a year later, after a newer version is already out.

If you have an iPhone 4 right now, which came out in mid-2010, you can run 100% of the apps in the AppStore. If you have an iPhone 3GS, which came out in mid-2009, you can run all but 1 or 2 (that I'm aware of) apps available today.

No Android phone has anything close to those numbers.

More garbage spewed forth again, just stop. Android phones get the FULL OS UPDATE! They don't leave the biggest features left out like Apple does because they want you to buy a new phone. The iPhone 4 is MORE than capable of running EVERY feature in iOS 5 and 6. Why doesn't it have Siri and why isn't it getting maps? The only new features everyone really wants anyways? :rolleyes:
 
More garbage spewed forth again, just stop. Android phones get the FULL OS UPDATE! They don't leave the biggest features left out like Apple does because they want you to buy a new phone. The iPhone 4 is MORE than capable of running EVERY feature in iOS 5 and 6. Why doesn't it have Siri and why isn't it getting maps? The only new features everyone really wants anyways? :rolleyes:

mbell1975, your reply does not apply to anything I've said. Sure, if the phone gets an update, it gets the full update. Never said it didn't.

Please read my post again, and if you disagree with any specific point, post something relevant to that point.
 
mbell1975, your reply does not apply to anything I've said. Sure, if the phone gets an update, it gets the full update. Never said it didn't.

Please read my post again, and if you disagree with any specific point, post something relevant to that point.

Any top tier Android phone will get updated for years. If not from your carrier, from the amazing community of developers Android has. You will never see that from Apple, you are at their mercy for what you get and don't get. Their only useful resource is the guy who makes the jailbreaks and they are trying to shut him down by making iOS tougher to crack. Thats why it takes so long to get a JB these days.
 
More garbage spewed forth again, just stop. Android phones get the FULL OS UPDATE! They don't leave the biggest features left out like Apple does because they want you to buy a new phone. The iPhone 4 is MORE than capable of running EVERY feature in iOS 5 and 6. Why doesn't it have Siri and why isn't it getting maps? The only new features everyone really wants anyways? :rolleyes:

It's called marketing.

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Any top tier Android phone will get updated for years. If not from your carrier, from the amazing community of developers Android has. You will never see that from Apple, you are at their mercy for what you get and don't get.

The mainstream consumer doesn't bother with / know about rooting. All iPhones , iPod touches, and iPads are supported for years, not just the best one.
 
It's called marketing.

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The mainstream consumer doesn't bother with / know about rooting. All iPhones , iPod touches, and iPads are supported for years, not just the best one.

Not fully supported. Main features are left out forcing you to upgrade to a newer phone if you want the FULL OS, what a joke.
 
Yep. The ONLY time I have ever had a credit card issue was with Apple. They sent a receipt to my email for a new iPhone 4 but the shipping address was 2 hours from my house to some guy. My bank credited the money back right away and Apple acknowledged it was a problem on their end but still. Since they had my credit card info AND my email address, I am pretty sure it was someone working with Apple that did this. Never once had an issue with Google and/or Android in 4 years.

You are comparing a billing error, where there is a 100% chance Apple will refund your money, to a hacker stealing your identity, opening lines of credit in your name, emptying out your bank account, taking corporate proprietary information...etc.

These problems can ruin your credit and take years to fix, if they ever are.

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DodgeV83 isnt fair though and never mentions these things. Now says he never heard of that happening. Its been mentioned in these forums but i guess he ignored them like he does everything else he gets proven wrong.

Show me one argument were I was proven wrong and didn't admit it, and I will admit to it now.
 
Not fully supported. Main features are left out forcing you to upgrade to a newer phone if you want the FULL OS, what a joke.

Not fully supported, but supported.

The Galaxy S1 was given a Value Pack update when it was proven it could support the full ICS update. The Nexus One was proven to be able to support ICS but it was never officially updated to it. You'd have to upgrade to the Galaxy S2 (or 3) or the Nexus S 4G (or Galaxy Nexus) for ICS. What a joke.

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Ditto ;) Get a kick out of those Android trolls coming in droves to this forum and bad mouthing the iPhone but it will never sway me to an Android.

I stupidly switched to a GS2 a few months ago from my 4S. Never doing that again. :rolleyes:
 
I have been a member here on MacRumors since 2007 and I can't remember a time that I've seen as many posts and discussions regarding the possibility of straying from the iPhone. Just look at the threads up now. A lot of talk about iPhone vs. the Galaxy. iOS vs. Android (and Windows). Talk about the Nexus and other smartphone options.

I have to admit, I'm starting to think about jumping ship too (I'm test driving a Lumia 900 now. I like it but still lean slightly towards my iPhone 4...but I digress). The Galaxy S3 look mighty sexy. I'm still waiting to see what the iPhone "5" shapes up to be but, if it's essentially a longer (4 inch) iphone with LTE, I'm gonna have to give some serious thought to alternatives...something I would have NEVER done even a year ago. I've had every iteration of the iPhone and used nothing but an iPhone for the last 5 years.

I'm a major Apple fanboy (friends and family actually tease me about my Apple obsession) so it's tough to admit that the iPhone might be falling behind a bit. That is my personal impression of course.

I do realize that my observations are purely anecdotal but, it just seems that I'm not the only Apple nut feeling this way lately.

Damn, the S3 IS pretty sexy. I'm rooting for an awesome new iPhone in a few months though. I hope. :)

Completely agree. I have been an iPhone user since the 3G and never thought I would consider switching. But after being underwhelmed by the iOS 6 announcement, using it on my 4s (yes I realize it's a beta), and now seeing the Jelly Bean features, I am considering making the jump. I ordered an unlocked Galaxy Nexus and will be test driving Android for a week or so.

I love the app support and the build quality of the 4s but I seriously feel that Apple is lagging with its software innovation. The 10 features of ios6 introduced at WWDC were pretty lol in my book. Maps is cool and will be much appreciated but Jelly Bean just blows iOS 6 out of the water IMHO.

I've done this once before and came running back to my iPhone after 3 weeks (Motorola Atrix). But the app support on Android has greatly improved since then and Jelly Bean looks great. We'll see what happens but I definitely agree with the statement that there seems to be much more discontent with IOS now than any other time I can remember.

Most people tho probably don't care just the "hardcore" phone users that's one thing to keep in mind tho.
 
Not fully supported, but supported.

The Galaxy S1 was given a Value Pack update when it was proven it could support the full ICS update. The Nexus One was proven to be able to support ICS but it was never officially updated to it. You'd have to upgrade to the Galaxy S2 (or 3) or the Nexus S 4G (or Galaxy Nexus) for ICS. What a joke

So you root your phone and install a custom ROM, easy. As I said, this is NOT an option you have with Apple. If they decide you can't have the OS, you are screwed.
 
So you root your phone and install a custom ROM, easy. As I said, this is NOT an option you have with Apple. If they decide you can't have the OS, you are screwed.

Again, the mainstream consumer would not do that / should not have to do that. By the time my iPhone is done getting updates (or by the time it's not fully supported), I'm ready for my next model (my previous device might still be updated after that too). As the internals get better, devices will be able to support more and more of the latest OS'.
 
Again, the mainstream consumer would not do that / should not have to do that.

It takes like 10 minutes to root a phone and flash a ROM. If plugging your phone into your computer and punching in a few lines of code is over someones head then yea, they are not the brightest and should stick with something like the iPhone that does all the thinking for you.
 
It takes like 10 minutes to root a phone and flash a ROM. If plugging your phone into your computer and punching in a few lines of code is over someones head then yea, they are not the brightest and should stick with something like the iPhone that does all the thinking for you.

Why should I have to type in lines of code to get an update for my phone?
 
Ditto ;) Get a kick out of those Android trolls coming in droves to this forum and bad mouthing the iPhone but it will never sway me to an Android.

Oh c'mon, be nice!

Let them have a couple of months in the spotlight, they've been waiting for this moment for awhile now, lol.

They'll quiet down come Fall. ;)
 
You do realize most of those on there are fake. And what missed keys? iOS has been great over all these years I've been typing on it.

No doubt but the iOS keyboard which has remained more or less unchanged is what gave birth to that internet phenom.

I guess I type faster. When I thumbed quickly on my 4s it constantly missed keys.
 
I think Apple fouled it up last year by not introducing the iPhone 4S in the summer. It built up a lot of anticipation that the fall release was going to be a huge re-design, due to the perceived delay. But it was only an incremental improvement. And now the masses have to wait again until October for that elusive re-designed phone. I think that initial delay last year really screwed up Apple's release schedule and perceived slow speed in technological improvements on their phone hardware.
 
It takes like 10 minutes to root a phone and flash a ROM. If plugging your phone into your computer and punching in a few lines of code is over someones head then yea, they are not the brightest and should stick with something like the iPhone that does all the thinking for you.

Mbell there's really no point. Android is a different beast and intentionally so. The wide range of devices it is out on will inevitably cause fragmentation where certain mid tier or low tier phones don't get updates. It's the nature of the beast and some people can't understand that. It's very possible to get a crappy android device. This is where research really goes a long way.

Those who don't get this will continue to say its a crux of android. Let them. In the mean time stock android continues to get better while iOS gets their slow incremental updates.
 
Any top tier Android phone will get updated for years. If not from your carrier, from the amazing community of developers Android has. You will never see that from Apple, you are at their mercy for what you get and don't get. Their only useful resource is the guy who makes the jailbreaks and they are trying to shut him down by making iOS tougher to crack. Thats why it takes so long to get a JB these days.

1. Ok. My initial statement said "It's normal for Android phones". I did not say "top tier phones."

Are you saying my initial statement was wrong?

2. You cannot use the Custom Rom argument, when comparing one Product (hardware+software+company) to another, because you are no longer comparing the same product.

It not the software that company shipped/supports, and you're no longer putting your trust in that company to keep you secure and updated. You are instead putting your trust into an unknown, possibly untraceable username on a message forum.
 
No doubt but the iOS keyboard which has remained more or less unchanged is what gave birth to that internet phenom.

I guess I type faster. When I thumbed quickly on my 4s it constantly missed keys.

Well that's just how you type. It depends on how accurate you are and it differs from person too person. It's not the keyboards fault if you are typing fast and accidentally hit another letter.

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2. You cannot use the Custom Rom argument, when comparing one Product (hardware+software+company) to another, because you are no longer comparing the same product.

It not the software that company shipped/supports, and you're no longer putting your trust in that company to keep you secure and updated. You are instead putting your trust into an unknown, possibly untraceable username on a message forum.

This. Seems to be his only argument.
 
Well that's just how you type. It depends on how accurate you are and it differs from person too person. It's not the keyboards fault if you are typing fast and accidentally hit another letter..

Yet I can type perfectly fine on my galaxy nexus. I'm not the only person here on this forum complaining about the iOS keyboard. And it's not just its inability to keep up. As I said before the lack of the suggestion bar and the inability to choose what the dictionary remembers and doesn't remember also hurts the typing experience. Even editing is easier on android. And if you want to add third-party keyboards into the mix that adds a host of features that The iOS keyboard doesn't have.

With jelly bean also adding swiftkey predictions, it's going to pull further from iOS' keyboard.

Edit: this post alone which I typed on my iPad had to be edited and corrected for a ton of missed letters which led to incorrect typos and auto corrections. The iOS keyboard is a joke. Please also understand that I'm not just saying stock android keyboard is better just to say its better. I want iOS' keyboard to get better and if people keep pretending it's already perfect than that's never going to happen. again there's not A single indication that apple thinks it needs fixing. Either that or they're holding back yet another feature for a future update. The fact that iOS keyboard gave birth to those damn you iPhone auto correction websites should've told apple it needed improvement long time ago.
 
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Yet I can type perfectly fine on my galaxy nexus. I'm not the only person here on this forum complaining about the iOS keyboard. And it's not just its inability to keep up. As I said before the lack of the suggestion bar and the inability to choose what the dictionary remembers and doesn't remember also hurts the typing experience. And if you want to add third-party keyboards into the mix that adds a host of features that The iOS keyboard doesn't have.

With jelly bean also adding swiftkey predictions, it's going to pull further from iOS' keyboard.

Edit: this post alone which I typed on my iPad had to be edited and corrected for a ton of missed letters which led to incorrect typos and auto corrections. The iOS keyboard is a joke.

I have no problem with it and I'm not the only one. I've tried numerous Android keyboards with the Nexus S, EVO 4G, and Epic 4G Touch, as well as SwiftKey, Thumb Keyboard, and the stock ICS keyboard. I found them to be kinda choppy / laggy. Nonetheless, the prediction system didn't seem blow away. I personally don't need my phone predicting what I'm gonna say.

Again, it's just a matter of how you type. Not everyone types the same.
 
Again, it's just a matter of how you type. Not everyone types the same.

Right. You're typing slower. I'm not arguing against the fact that we're typing differently. There's simply no way somehow your 4S had a better keyboard than my 4S. The difference is obviously how fast we type. I can type fast (faster, really) on my Galaxy Nexus, and the keyboard can keep up. I intentionally typed slower when I had my 4S, and it would still miss keys.

And again, missing keys is just one of a bunch of shortcomings of the iOS keyboard. Anyway, I leave it that.
 
What makes you think I forgot about it, because I didn't mention it in a non-related post?

You can't compare one or two new OS features, which came out over a year after the phone's debut, to the large number of both existing and future applications that simply don't work on a large number of handsets.

The iPhone 3GS has all 200+ iOS6 features, besides two, and it already didn't have one of them. It's normal for Android phones to never get an update to the new OS, or to get it a year later, after a newer version is already out.

If you have an iPhone 4 right now, which came out in mid-2010, you can run 100% of the apps in the AppStore. If you have an iPhone 3GS, which came out in mid-2009, you can run all but 1 or 2 (that I'm aware of) apps available today.

No Android phone has anything close to those numbers.
Siri, being the biggest thing going for the iPhone, will not update well with those phones except for the 4S.

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You are comparing a billing error, where there is a 100% chance Apple will refund your money, to a hacker stealing your identity, opening lines of credit in your name, emptying out your bank account, taking corporate proprietary information...etc.

These problems can ruin your credit and take years to fix, if they ever are.

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Show me one argument were I was proven wrong and didn't admit it, and I will admit to it now.

You dont admit it. When somebody shows you that you are wrong....like the benchmarks you love so much, you just say "what i posted are the ONLY accepted industry benchmarks"., ...which is BS but thats all you will listen to.

You then post that you made a thread with 100 reasons why the iPhone is better and yesterday told a poster that, that hasnt seen it,..... yet you didnt mention that 30 of those 100 reasons were 30 different camera apps, 5 different Notes apps and a number of video apps. Those three alone are almost half of the 100.

You live in your way of arguing and if YOU dont see fit to see it anyway but your own, then you say they didnt show you anything to dispell your argument when in fact, many times they did...you just wont see it but your way so how can you admit your wrong? You were shown to be wrong before and ignored it.
 
Right. You're typing slower. I'm not arguing against the fact that we're typing differently. There's simply no way somehow your 4S had a better keyboard than my 4S. The difference is obviously how fast we type. I can type fast (faster, really) on my Galaxy Nexus, and the keyboard can keep up. I intentionally typed slower when I had my 4S, and it would still miss keys.

And again, missing keys is just one of a bunch of shortcomings of the iOS keyboard. Anyway, I leave it that.

I can't really prove it to you, but I type pretty fast actually. Believe it if you wish.
 
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