It’s not just about speed. 6Ghz is a less used frequency range, so it’s less likely to suffer interference. Having 6Ghz available as well as the other frequencies guarantees a more stable and reliable connection.
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Internal Apple Document From Leaker 'Unknownz21' Confirms Wi-Fi 6E Will Be Limited to iPhone 15 Pro Models
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Someone said, 5G was a scam, lol. In my personal experience, LTE+ is the 🐐 for many years to come.
5G here is a huge improvement over 4G...when the signal is strong enough.
In my house my 12 Pro Max will get about 30-50Mb/s but as soon as i go out doors I will get anywhere between 400-500MB/s. My carrier is still rolling out 5G so it's not everywhere and at full strength yet.
4G at best is the worst case of 5G. 4G would be anywhere between 15-50Mb/s. There are still a lot of areas with only 4G coverage.
In a year or so I expect 5G to be easier to access wherever I am.
I do agree though that WiFi doesn't offer much for the average user. Most people will be fine on AC (5) routers. 6 and the upcoming 7 won't see any benefit for most people. Where they shine will be in large areas with huge crowds of peoples (gigs, football matches, city areas, etc).
None of it will matter to me if there's no Mini model
No Mini = No Buy
No Mini = No Buy
That’s right. There shouldn’t be any ‘pro’ version. An iPhone is an iPhone, there is nothing pro about it. It’s just an excuse to make it stupidly expensive, and as you said the non ‘pro’ version ends up being unappealing so a lot of people will just hold onto their iPhones for much longer than they would before iPhone ‘pro’ was a thing.
WIFI6E and 5G speeds are apples and oranges. WIFI5 (and WIFI6) easily handle 5G speeds.
Well, he won't be leaking for much longer. Apple eventually finds them.
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Tim Cook is behind the “Pro” and “Ultra” sceme. If Steve Jobs was alive, I don’t think he would have allowed that. It honestly starts to sound redundant now.
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The money and time they save just removing the whole "vanilla" line and just one SE/Vanilla would save so much money.
Why are folks demanding Wi-Fi 6E? The universe of venues equipped with 6E is extremely small. The number of people who actually need that level of uncongested spectrum and bandwidth *ON A PHONE* is even smaller.
An article comes out on MR a couple days ago saying that the iPhone 15 will have wifi-6E and so many people are talking about how 6E is beyond what most people will need. Now that we learn that it may only appear on the Pro model iPhones, and everyone starts complaining. If most people don't need 6E, then then that leaves just the "pros", in which case they'll be buying the iPhone Pro, and the people that don't need it, will buy the standard iPhone 15 with just wifi-6. Rumors of 6E and people complain. Only on the pro models people complain.
Fine by me. I’m moving up to the top model Pro or Ultra. I wish there was a $1500 model 256gb with more bells and whistles.
So what does 5G mean in this thread? The 5th-generation cellular network? 5 GHz bands? 5 Gbps speed? A variant of SARS-CoV-2?
To do it right, I would think it's software, antenna design, possible hardware and logic board changes. And then testing.
“Compared to Wi-Fi 6, Wi-Fi 6E offers more bandwidth, providing faster connectivity speeds, lower latency, and increased capacity. Wi-Fi 6E provides 1.2GHz more spectrum in the 6GHz band, and it can support whole home gigabit coverage, multi-gigabit connectivity for venues, and it has the bandwidth for higher data streams like those used for AR and VR experiences.”
Technically, regular Wi-Fi 6 in the 5 GHz band can achieve the same 2.4 Gbps connection speed on a 2x2 antenna (I.e., iPhone laptop) as Wi-Fi 6E in the 6 GHz spectrum. This is achieved with a 160 MHz channel.
The issue in the 5 GHz band is that there are incumbents who share the radio spectrum with Wi-Fi. These incumbents use RADAR! Like weather services, airports, military etc.
Also, there’s limited 5 GHz spectrum. so Wi-Fi routers in North America that operate in the 5 GHz band must adhere to what’s called DFS if they use certain Wi-Fi channels. To achieve a 160 MHz channel with existing routers means that those channels will have to utilize a DFS channel for a portion of the channel. And if the router detects radar, it will vacate the DFS portion of the channel and hop to a different frequency. Some routers take longer than others to hop and set up shop on the new channel when radar is detected and this latency can cause real time applications like voip, teams, etc to briefly disconnect.
There’s nothing inherently better about 6 GHz vs 5 GHz in terms of connection speed. If the 5 GHz band didn’t have any radar to contend with, then our 2x2 phones and laptops would be able to connect at 2.4 Gbps. But The 6 GHz band has no such restrictions in terms of DFS and radar and there are plenty of channels available. so Wi-Fi 6E devices can connect at the full speed without having to worry about random disconnects or channel bandwidth being halved (from 160 MHz to 80 MHz) if radar is detected. Wi-Fi 7 will use up to 320 MHz for moooore speed!
The downside of the 6 GHz band however is that the signals are attenuated more easily by walls and obstructions vs the 5 GHz band so there’s a tradeoff of using 6 GHz.
Technically, regular Wi-Fi 6 in the 5 GHz band can achieve the same 2.4 Gbps connection speed on a 2x2 antenna (I.e., iPhone laptop) as Wi-Fi 6E in the 6 GHz spectrum. This is achieved with a 160 MHz channel.
The issue in the 5 GHz band is that there are incumbents who share the radio spectrum with Wi-Fi. These incumbents use RADAR! Like weather services, airports, military etc.
Also, there’s limited 5 GHz spectrum. so Wi-Fi routers in North America that operate in the 5 GHz band must adhere to what’s called DFS if they use certain Wi-Fi channels. To achieve a 160 MHz channel with existing routers means that those channels will have to utilize a DFS channel for a portion of the channel. And if the router detects radar, it will vacate the DFS portion of the channel and hop to a different frequency. Some routers take longer than others to hop and set up shop on the new channel when radar is detected and this latency can cause real time applications like voip, teams, etc to briefly disconnect.
There’s nothing inherently better about 6 GHz vs 5 GHz in terms of connection speed. If the 5 GHz band didn’t have any radar to contend with, then our 2x2 phones and laptops would be able to connect at 2.4 Gbps. But The 6 GHz band has no such restrictions in terms of DFS and radar and there are plenty of channels available. so Wi-Fi 6E devices can connect at the full speed without having to worry about random disconnects or channel bandwidth being halved (from 160 MHz to 80 MHz) if radar is detected. Wi-Fi 7 will use up to 320 MHz for moooore speed!
The downside of the 6 GHz band however is that the signals are attenuated more easily by walls and obstructions vs the 5 GHz band so there’s a tradeoff of using 6 GHz.
They need to organize the sourcing of hundreds of millions of components. This is usually nailed down like a year before, so that suppliers can plan their manufacturing capacities in time. You can’t just decide this in the short term on a whim. The large number (hundreds of millions per year) of iPhones sold is why Apple is moving so relatively slow with tech improvements. Component sourcing is a real challenge at that scale.
Not really a surprise. Apple will move the iPhone and iPad to Wi-Fi 6E, just around the time I move my home Wi-Fi system to Wi-Fi 7.
1. Take last years Pro phones.
2. Give them a new name and a fresh coat of paint.
3. ???
4. Profit!
2. Give them a new name and a fresh coat of paint.
3. ???
4. Profit!
I don’t know why it even matters. It’s rare that I even encounter access points with Wi-Fi 6, so I imagine adoption of 6E to be even slower. By then, I’ll have an iPhone 17.
I get a gig currently, and my ISP offers up to 5, so…
Nope. New versions of standards often come to Android phones first. The Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra released two years ago (January 2021) already had wifi 6E.
Good decision.
Let the spec fetishists pay the early adopter tax and for bragging rights. That ensures I'll get 6E Wi-Fi in my next iPhone mini too, once there's meaningful access point penetration for it (so... in a few years).
Let the spec fetishists pay the early adopter tax and for bragging rights. That ensures I'll get 6E Wi-Fi in my next iPhone mini too, once there's meaningful access point penetration for it (so... in a few years).
True except in the extreme case of RFI by dense living spaces. Some urban areas present that, not most places we live in.