It's not but I have an iPhone that I can use to HotSpot my iPad when I need to so the LTE functionality is lost to me.
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International 4G iPad Models Will Work on AT&T, Not on LTE in Home Countries
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It's not but I have an iPhone that I can use to HotSpot my iPad when I need to so the LTE functionality is lost to me.
Oh yeah? And to be fair. Did Apple advertise that their LTE is still limited on US and Canada carriers due to technical restrictions.
No fine print, asterix mark whatsoever on their iPad website. So people, I mean international people have to watch keynote to be aware and fully understand that current LTE chip restricted to certain carriers and countries. Seriously? Oh but I guess Apple always right in your eyes, no matter how, right?
That definitely leads to the generalization of 4G. Though I try to avoid in general using the term 3G or 4G.
I dunno, I thought it was pretty clear from the beginning that Apple emphasized LTE was for AT&T, Verizon, Rogers, Bell & Telus. On international sites they put a footnote for the same thing. I think for Apple this is an early adoption of LTE and they went for it for home use in the US, and by extension some carriers in canada can support it since they have the same LTE band as AT&T.
In my opinion, I was impressed to see them go full out with adding hspa+ and dc-hspa where the previous iPads were both stuck at 7.2mbps hspa and the iPhone 4S finally moving to 14.4mbps hspa. And at that point there are technical limitations preventing aggregation of multiple LTE bands. Heck, the two different LTE iPads have two different versions of the 700 band.
Were people really assuming that the LTE would work in europe?
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Oh yeah? And to be fair. Did Apple advertise that their LTE is still limited on US and Canada carriers due to technical restrictions.
No fine print, asterix mark whatsoever on their iPad website. So people, I mean international people have to watch keynote to be aware and fully understand that current LTE chip restricted to certain carriers and countries. Seriously? Oh but I guess Apple always right in your eyes, no matter how, right?
Actually the fine print is pretty clear on Apple's UK site that LTE only works on AT&T, Verizon, Bell, Telus and Rogers.
Are consumers in the EU familiar with bands that are in use? Would tech-savvy people know what bands LTE is launching on and question it when they see 700 and 1700 on Apple's site?
Before this announcement, some people were wondering whether or not Apple would add LTE support, at all. They could have simply added faster HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA support and still claimed it is "ultra-fast." Remember, many thought that they might wait until the more power-efficient 28nm chipsets were widely available. They are using older Qualcomm chipsets.
The wireless capabilities in the new iPad are vastly improved over the iPad 2 for everyone with a capable network in North America, Europe, Asia, and Australia. True, only North America gets LTE support, but it is vastly improved nonetheless.
My guess is that Apple may be less wedded to an annual update cycle now, and that the renaming may be part of this. It will give them the ability to make more minor updates, such as updating the LTE chipsets when they become more power-efficient, or when more bands are supported.
Tim Cook is all about supply chain management. Apple wants to make as few variants as possible. Just because they have $100 billion in cash and investments doesn't mean they are going to start operating less efficiently.
And I'm guessing enough people won't care enough about the lack of LTE to make an appreciable difference in sales. You get free tethering in Europe on your phones, anyway, and the Wi-Fi model has always been Apple's best seller.
Maybe I'm missing something. But which fine print statement did you mean? This one?
* 4G coverage is not available in all areas and varies by carrier. See your carrier for details.
Wow.. Might as well replace 4G with 3G and it would still explain everything thoroughly
If Apple was so crystal clear about LTE limitation on their advertising media, this topic wouldn't make the news article on Slashgear or MacRumors. Just saying.
So don't accuse people for being whiny due to this.
It's not a matter of accepting. It is what ever the standard setting body says it is.
The ITU reclassified 4G to include HSPA+ after some strong lobbying by our dear friends at T-Mobile.
So it is what it is.
The 4G reference on the iPad is moot. Apple never claimed that the LTE radio in the new iPad would work for any other carriers outside of North America.
People really need to get over it already.
A chip that covers all 25 LTE bands simply doesn't exist and never will.
So manufacturers have to build based on economics.
Faaaaar away
Well, you're right. But the actual 3G in Europe isn't really slower than the american LTE... It sounds weird, but that's the truth.
Maybe you should google up some facts about the two technologies.
Guys, we're not wearing leather pants(despite october), we're not eating Sauerkraut all day, AND we're not far behind your technologies...
Peace
Well, you're right. But the actual 3G in Europe isn't really slower than the american LTE... It sounds weird, but that's the truth.
Maybe you should google up some facts about the two technologies.
Guys, we're not wearing leather pants(despite october), we're not eating Sauerkraut all day, AND we're not far behind your technologies...
Peace
Maybe I'm missing something. But which fine print statement did you mean? This one?
* 4G coverage is not available in all areas and varies by carrier. See your carrier for details.
Wow.. Might as well replace 4G with 3G and it would still explain everything thoroughly
If Apple was so crystal clear about LTE limitation on their advertising media, this topic wouldn't make the news article on Slashgear or MacRumors. Just saying.
So don't accuse people for being whiny due to this.
I saw it here: http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/
It's a footnote right next to LTE. I do think it could be made more clear. But at the end of the day the least a consumer can do is spend 2 minutes to read and understand what they're purchasing. It's not every day you're buying an expensive iPad right?
The whining seems like a combination of people assuming it had LTE for EU, realizing it doesn't, and then complaining that it should of had LTE support for EU.
Honestly, LTE is in its infancy. No LTE for the EU bands. Get over it. There's technical limitations with the chipsets they had to use, but because of them we've also gained hspa+ and dc-hspa. I don't even live in LTE coverage so I don't really care much anyway, I'm more interested in seeing some dc-hspa action, and more importantly (in my opinion) hope that they figure out a good solution by the time the next iPhone rolls around.
this is exactly right, and, i guess, the very reason why nothing will change for the few of us who actually care about this stuff. i work with customers (normal consumers) who use iPad. 95 % of these people ... all they care about is facebook and word feud. they don't know about the incompatibility issues and, i would guess, most won't even know what LTE is.
sheep.
who buys a 500 dollar word feud console?
Oh yeah? And to be fair. Did Apple advertise that their LTE is still limited on US and Canada carriers due to technical restrictions.
No fine print, asterix mark whatsoever on their iPad website. So people, I mean international people have to watch keynote to be aware and fully understand that current LTE chip restricted to certain carriers and countries. Seriously? Oh but I guess Apple always right in your eyes, no matter how, right?
Since when does any advertising for any product besides prescription drugs ever emphasize the negative aspects of the product being sold (except perhaps humorously)?
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At the end of the day, if it does what they want it to do, does it really matter whether it uses LTE or HSPA+? Most people besides techies care about results, not the technology inside.
to bad that it doesn't work with our far superior 90mbps 4G network here in Sweden, well well. Wifi will have to do.
Too Bad The Tower of Babel...
is still standing and causing new tech devices to not be able to not work universally.
So much for the all the "one world" BS. Geez, you'd think humanity could agree on just a few standards in this area.
is still standing and causing new tech devices to not be able to not work universally.
So much for the all the "one world" BS. Geez, you'd think humanity could agree on just a few standards in this area.
Hardly of course. But Apple can be crystal clear about this without making it sounds negative or restrictive.
A good example is Apple statement regarding iPhone 4s limitation. Cook said it is a CDMA/GSM, or simply a world phone. But then Apple also stated clearly that a factory unlocked iPhone 4S is a GSM phone. It was stated on Apple's iPhone web in every country. And it does explained quite well. No need for negativity.
I'm fully understand that asking for universal band LTE chip is absurd. But being clear about it is another story.
Also don't forget, the WI-FI version has no GPS (just like the iPad 2) but the "4G" models do.
Well colour me stupid. Never mind, guess it'll be a way off then. Cheers for filling me in.
No he is not right! Read the posts! Many European countries have had full LTE for years, and as eurobum rightly says, the networks are "basically just WAITING for 4G devices". Too bad it is going to be devices from Samsung, Nokia and other companies aware of the existance of a non-deepfried world outside the USA.
No. As with the birth of mobile phones, the US works with a different set of spectra. Remember the hype around dual-band phones? In Denmark, as in most of Europe, LTE is located in the bands formerly used by the railways.
I'm not sure you are aware of this, but there are under 10 million people in Sweden. There are cities in the world with more people than your entire extremely fine country.
Nobody has ever said that LTE hasn't been deployed in a few isolated pockets in Europe, but it hasn't yet been made available to the bulk of the population. And yes, the entire nation of Sweden IS an isolated pocket. In contrast, LTE is available today to the majority of Americans.
So what you are saying is that so far, few manufacturers have made 4G-ready devices.
Anyway, by the time the new iPhone comes out, 28nm chipsets will be available and I'm pretty confident Apple will support European and North American bands of LTE. Right now Apple is using an old Qualcomm chip, partially necessitating the large battery. If our 3G networks were as good as yours, I'm guessing Apple would have stuck with HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA here for a while longer, too.
Didn't deep fried Mars bars originate in Scotland?
That's the best way to look at it. I'm still getting the '4G': it has GPS, and even if it doesn't have LTE where I live, DC-HSPA should be a nice boost.
That said, Apple's advertising on this is just wrong. They've left it purposefully ambiguous on their website descriptions, and it's going to lead to lots of confusion.
Oh my go I just went on the Apple french website where it simply advertise and translate the new iPad has being 4G compatible: this is the first huge marketing mistake I see Apple doing.
In France there is almost no 4G network, everybody knows that, so it makes the iPad upgrade dull unless you want to pay a 1 one year old price just for extra resolution of screen.
In France there is almost no 4G network, everybody knows that, so it makes the iPad upgrade dull unless you want to pay a 1 one year old price just for extra resolution of screen.
I think we are losing sight of the big picture here. The screen IS the biggest upgrade to the new iPad. You seem rather blasé about quadrupling of the resolution. The new iPad has a higher resolution than your 46" TV. Think about it. "4G" (whether LTE, DC-HSDPA, or HSPA+ 21) is a bonus.
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Yea, but there are LTE-phones like Samsung Galaxy S II LTE available in Sweden so they should be able to make a special edition for the Scandinavian market.
Samsung makes dozens of phones and tablets. Apple makes 3 phones and 2 tablets. They did make a "special edition" of the new iPad, but not surprisingly that was the Verizon one, which was made to serve the US' largest LTE network.