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This is a horrible assumption. I have an iPhone 6S Plus. By all intents and purposes it should run 10.2 without any issues. Yet it lags in everything I do. Typing text should be be any lag.

I upgrade my iPhone about once every 3-4 years, this is more feasible than every 2, especially with cell companies basically raping people now with their lease plans.

No. That forum member Has an opinion, not a horrible assumption. Same thing could be said your post(s).

I also have a 6s Plus and 7 Plus running 10.2. Which are both running fine. Not every device reflects your experience or do you feel the need to portray yourself as angry towards everyone on here, because your keyboard lags?
 
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Some of these comments are just plain laughable. How dare Apple actually update its software, giving you new features and security patches for free?

If you don't like software updates, you should consider switching to Android. You'll likely be stuck with the software version that comes installed on your device forever, even if it has major security issues.


I always love reading these condescending posts.

Where did we say how dare apple update it's software?

What an elitist tone you have.

No one is saying anything you posted. We are merely saying the software updates shouldn't slow down the phones that are still fairly NEW. I'm sorry, 6S Plus is not old tech. A new iOS should not cause lag on a 6S Plus.
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No. That forum member Has an opinion, not a horrible assumption. Same thing could be said your post(s).

I also have a 6s Plus and 7 Plus running 10.2. Which are both running fine. Not every device reflects your experience or do you feel the need to portray yourself as angry towards everyone on here, because your keyboard lags?


Another one

Where did I say every device is having this issue? Have you read these forums, I am not the SOLE person having this issue.

Reminds me the of the Xbox RRoD fiasco - BUT MY XBOX IS FINE!
 
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it's funny that all these years, and all the information that's out there on how iOS and Android update, and work and the nature of the OS's,

you still believe that this is relevant in any way.

Hint.

It's not.

Android's Version adoption does NOT have the same impact on Android devices as iOS has on iPhone.

iOS requires constant iOS updates for many of it's core applications such as itunes, maps, etc. the nature of how the design works means that to update many of these core applications, an OS upgrade is required to get the new features and new versions of these core apps.


this is NOT TRUE in Android. Google has pulled applications out of the OS level and tied them to the version of google play services installed, and NOT the OS. Google Play Services is a seperate product from Android and can be installed/ upgraded / patched independantly from the OS via the Google Play store. This is also the same for all of Google's core Apps. They are not bound to the OS version, so what you find is that most modern applications (and google core applications) are compatible as far back as Android 4.0 without any hiccups.

Don't get me wrong, I think the current way android updates are handled, through OEM and carriers is a pain in the sphincter and sucks cold camel c... well, I'll just leave it at that. But to believe it has some magical "THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ON CURRENT VERSION" truth? nahhhh. thats a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between Operating Systems
 
No, but they need the latest version to get security updates, etc. Android users hate that they don't get updates, I'm not sure why iOS users are defending this.

I get plenty of updates, just not bundled on a full OS release.

You mean to tell me that the primary reason people upgrade their phone OS is for Security? Is that what Apple is bragging about here?

I mean, I understand how fragmentation can be a pain from a Dev perspective, but from a personal use perspective, new full OS versions have much, much less impact in Android-land than it does in iOS-land.

And if you mean to keep your device longer than current gen, Apple will break your device with new "upgrades", pester you to do so, and not let you go back to the version that runs smoother and faster on your device, not even the one the device came with!

Frak that.

Thank God they're not doing this for the Mac yet, but I bet it's coming.
 
I always love reading these condescending posts.

Where did we say how dare apple update it's software?

What an elitist tone you have.

No one is saying anything you posted. We are merely saying the software updates shouldn't slow down the phones that are still fairly NEW. I'm sorry, 6S Plus is not old tech. A new iOS should not cause lag on a 6S Plus.
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Another one

Where did I say every device is having this issue? Have you read these forums, I am not the SOLE person having this issue.

Reminds me the of the Xbox RRoD fiasco - BUT MY XBOX IS FINE!

What line is it that I see you use frequently on here? Oh yeah....#firstworldproblems.

Your constantly negative on here for one. Your post history completely reflects this. Stop attacking forum members over your OS experience. So your having issues. It happens. Not everybody has your experience. Perhaps the next iOS update will resolve your issue. Stop Complaining. It doesnt fix anything.
 
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Hard to be impressed when your device tricks you into upgrading through random popup reminders.

It's happened before whilst I was playing a game that requires key presses in the exact same space.

You're looking at it through a VERY jaded lens, if this is your only perspective.

The impressive piece vs. Android has nothing to do with whether or not Apple pressures you to keep your device at its most modern, secure & updated state.
Indeed, I imagine that of the 98% of people on Android, that literally CANNOT get upgraded to the latest/greatest & most secure that camp has to offer, many many of them would greatly prefer being persistently reminded to get the free new goodies over being excluded entirely.
 
it's funny that all these years, and all the information that's out there on how iOS and Android update, and work and the nature of the OS's,

you still believe that this is relevant in any way.

Hint.

It's not.

Android's Version adoption does NOT have the same impact on Android devices as iOS has on iPhone.

iOS requires constant iOS updates for many of it's core applications such as itunes, maps, etc. the nature of how the design works means that to update many of these core applications, an OS upgrade is required to get the new features and new versions of these core apps.


this is NOT TRUE in Android. Google has pulled applications out of the OS level and tied them to the version of google play services installed, and NOT the OS. Google Play Services is a seperate product from Android and can be installed/ upgraded / patched independantly from the OS via the Google Play store. This is also the same for all of Google's core Apps. They are not bound to the OS version, so what you find is that most modern applications (and google core applications) are compatible as far back as Android 4.0 without any hiccups.

Don't get me wrong, I think the current way android updates are handled, through OEM and carriers is a pain in the sphincter and sucks cold camel c... well, I'll just leave it at that. But to believe it has some magical "THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ON CURRENT VERSION" truth? nahhhh. thats a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between Operating Systems

You win, sir. Best explanation I've heard so far. Thank you.
 
I get plenty of updates, just not bundled on a full OS release.

You mean to tell me that the primary reason people upgrade their phone OS is for Security? Is that what Apple is bragging about here?

I mean, I understand how fragmentation can be a pain from a Dev perspective, but from a personal use perspective, new full OS versions have much, much less impact in Android-land than it does in iOS-land.

And if you mean to keep your device longer than current gen, Apple will break your device with new "upgrades", pester you to do so, and not let you go back to the version that runs smoother and faster on your device, not even the one the device came with!

Frak that.

Thank God they're not doing this for the Mac yet, but I bet it's coming.
None of my updated devices are slower, in fact my 6s is flying on iOS 10, seemingly better than iOS 9. And I'm appreciative of iOS 9 on my iPad 2.
 
I honestly feel like they make it run slower on the previous gen devices.

I don't believe that it's done on purpose as part of some grand master plan of planned obsolescence.

What's happening is just that, new versions tend to add new features. New features require additional resources, to have that feature running it has to be in RAM, so RAM usage goes up. it needs storage on disk, so disk (storage) access goes up. it needs processing cycles, so it uses more of those.

add enough new stuff to a new version of an OS, and put it on older hardware, and you will find that the older hardware, sometimes just doesn't have enough of all that. RAM, storage speed, or cpu cycles, so that the device feels slower while those extra resources are being used up.

this isn't new. anyone who was computing through the vast majority of 80's, 90's and even 00's experienced this on laptops and esktops regularly. Constantly having to buy new hardware just to run software / games without bogging down or slowing. Heck, we all remember how big the jump from XP to Vista was on system resources.

What bother's me more, is not that the newer OS's need more resources. Is that Apple doesn't let you downgrade should you encounter issues with the new OS. ocne you upgrade, AFAIK, thats it. you're stuck on a slow performing device unless you buy a new one. If it were a computer, you'd just wipe it and reinstall your old OS. heck, you can even do that with Android if you're so inclined. It's only really Apple that has these limitations in place.

I would like to see Apple borrow a little from Android's playbook when it comes to allowance of users to stay on old versions and still receive security updates, instead of forcing a full blown upgrade just to keep current.
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I would be curious what the percentage would look like after being adjusted for devices capable of receiving the update. For both Apple and android. Especially for android I would suspect there's quite a few devices for which the new OS is unavailable.

my iPod Touch, 1st Gen is still on iOS 3.

I doubt that's calculated in this :p
 
This is a horrible assumption. I have an iPhone 6S Plus. By all intents and purposes it should run 10.2 without any issues. Yet it lags in everything I do. Typing text should be be any lag.

I upgrade my iPhone about once every 3-4 years, this is more feasible than every 2, especially with cell companies basically raping people now with their lease plans.

There is absolutely no reason why a 6S should lag when you are using native apps or well programmed apps. The CPU in it is very powerful. Something must be going wrong with it.
 
Over at Android people complain that they don't get updates. Over at Apple, people complain that Apple offers updates so often.


Sorry that happened, but the vast majority of people are not tricked into updating - and what happened to you sounds more like unfortunate timing than anything else.



They don't, but we'll probably still be debating this in ten years.



No, but they need the latest version to get security updates, etc. Android users hate that they don't get updates, I'm not sure why iOS users are defending this.

touch on some points:

1: everyone likes to complain :p

2: The way iOS reminds you of pending updates is frankly just annoying. I don't think t's some magical sneaky way to try and trick you, the user you responded to probably a fringe case. BUT the pop up message that pops up frequently is just annoying as heck. especially since it takes over input till you clear it. And it happens frequently. It should be a notification in the notification tray. That's it.

3: you don't need the latest version to get security updates. Unfortunately though, that's OEM by OEM specific since it's up to teh OEM, and then the Carrier to control that. (I've gotten updates for my S6 on MM since Nougat has been released). Again, the problem here isn't Google and Android, it's the bloody strangle hold that the Carriers and OEM seem to have gotten over patching of android to handsets that needs to be broken.
 
Still keep pushing my friends and family to 10, iOS 10 is the best version of iOS that's ever been released, with updates to Messages, a redesigned Maps app, new Photos features, Siri to control your home with the new Home app, and a better experience to jam out to your favorite songs with an all new Apple Music app

Here's my case: none of those new features impressed me. Seriously, I'm not being a tool or hater. 9.3.5 is working flawlessly on my SE. And I know it will probably run 10 with no issues. The only two main reasons I have to upgrade are for security fixes / updates and to help my father in occasional iPhone support I give him every other week, just in case any menu or option has changed places from 9 to 10.

Besides my SE, everything at home is still running 9.3.5. My iPad 2 and my iPod Touch 5th gen just can't be upgraded, but my backup 5s will stay just like that. Oh, and my wife's 5s. She's far from being a tech savvy person. If a button change places, she just gets lost :p
 
Apl is not the only one with OS adoption last I heard Windows 10 was on 400,000,000+ active devices and that was many months ago. I suppose it much more now. Android suffers from carriers not pushing updates, Apl made sweet deal with Iphone... now they struggle see TV
 
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These stories remind of the 100% voter participation in <insert tyrannical autocratic or oligarchical country here>.

Apple applies serious psyOps when it comes to updating these days. Screen nag after nag after nag. And it knows when you are in a rush and need to access info ASAP because that is when it sends the friendly pop-up asking if you want to update now... no? OK, tonight! Hey user I said TONIGHT! Heh.

It take a special person or an unsupported hardware owner not to update Apple OSes these days.
I get a popup once a new update for iOS 10 is released on the iPad Air 2, hit dismiss and it doesn't nag me again until the next time - given the frequency of iOS updates that's actually not so bad. I'm not talking about a 10.x update to another 10.x, but rather a major update (like 8 to 10) where there could be a valid reason for sticking with the older version.

There are plenty of reasons to remind users to update (security, bug fixes, etc.), as long as the reminders don't come up constantly.
And 20% still living large on iOS 6?
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I'm in the 20%, but not with iOS 6. iOS 8.4.1 on iPad Air 2 and 9.3.3 on iPhone 6s+.
 
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None of my updated devices are slower, in fact my 6s is flying on iOS 10, seemingly better than iOS 9. And I'm appreciative of iOS 9 on my iPad 2.

Well, some are reporting otherwise here, and in the past that was the case fo me.

That said, I'm sure that at some point the hardware will be powerful enough to overcome whatever Apple throws at it from the software side.

I'm waiting for that day, when iOS devices finally catch up to the Android side of things like enough RAM, mouse support, proper filesystem access, etc.

On that day, I may date Apple again.

But for now, I'm seeing other people.
 
In overall percentage points, the ’nag screens’ are insignificant. Apple has had these high update rates before them.
Not this high. The nag screens had a huge impact. And regardless of how you slice it, the nag screens are unethical since they trick people into doing something that cannot be undone. Shame on Apple for that. Zero excuses.
 
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it's funny that all these years, and all the information that's out there on how iOS and Android update, and work and the nature of the OS's,

you still believe that this is relevant in any way.

Hint.

It's not.

Android's Version adoption does NOT have the same impact on Android devices as iOS has on iPhone.

iOS requires constant iOS updates for many of it's core applications such as itunes, maps, etc. the nature of how the design works means that to update many of these core applications, an OS upgrade is required to get the new features and new versions of these core apps.


this is NOT TRUE in Android. Google has pulled applications out of the OS level and tied them to the version of google play services installed, and NOT the OS. Google Play Services is a seperate product from Android and can be installed/ upgraded / patched independantly from the OS via the Google Play store...
^^^Excellent.

Always wondered why the iOS core apps were not dynamically linked, and delivered separately, from the iOS kernel.

Your explanation of Google's independent app binding makes perfect sense (where each core app has a version of its own).

I wonder why Apple continues to wrap strong-bound core apps to their kernel. Apple's method would be equivalent to having macOS core apps (Mail, Safari, Photos, ...) wrapped with the macOS binary -- and, of course, those apps are not.

Thanks, LordVic.
 
Some of these comments are just plain laughable. How dare Apple actually update its software, giving you new features and security patches for free?

If you don't like software updates, you should consider switching to Android. You'll likely be stuck with the software version that comes installed on your device forever, even if it has major security issues.

Well said. I like iOS and iPhone. I just mad at Apple for not giving proper love to the MacBook Pro... it's no longer a pro device for pro software, it just for snappy email and web browsing now.
 
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I fail to see the advantage of always running the most current version of Android, if virtually all apps run perfectly fine on an older OS version.

on my iPad though, quite a few apps claim that I need to upgrade my OS... which I can't... and no way to just download an older app version. Feels a bit like being held hostage.
 
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Hard to be impressed when your device tricks you into upgrading through random popup reminders.

That's a highly questionable assertion and not based on any objective data. The average consumer considers an update to be a good thing and so they perform the update. It's fast, effortless and free.

I would be curious what the percentage would look like after being adjusted for devices capable of receiving the update. For both Apple and android. Especially for android I would suspect there's quite a few devices for which the new OS is unavailable.

Well, that's slightly damning of Android devices isn't it?

My iPhone 6 is two and half years old and it runs the latest iOS fine.

It seems that it's hard for fandroids to accept anything positive about iPhone, iPad or iOS. There's always a rash of dismissive remarks about anything positive about the Apple ecosystem. I have no problem finding nice things about Android but then I'm not very aware of Android because I don't frequent Android-centric sites. I occasionally am handed an Android device for a web story, Facebook post or to help my tech challenged neighbor with his Galaxy.
Android works well for many folks and that's cool. I choose Apple devices and have since around 2004. I don't care about what Microsoft, Google and their hardware partners provide.
 
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Well, some are reporting otherwise here, and in the past that was the case fo me.

That said, I'm sure that at some point the hardware will be powerful enough to overcome whatever Apple throws at it from the software side.

I'm waiting for that day, when iOS devices finally catch up to the Android side of things like enough RAM, mouse support, proper filesystem access, etc.

On that day, I may date Apple again.

But for now, I'm seeing other people.
But with tens of Millions of idevices there will be varied experiences. Clearly cannot be said as "the truth".

As for preferences into operating systems, glad there are consumer choices.
 
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