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Absolutely.

Since I upgraded my 6S Plus to 10.2 EVERYTHING lags.

To be believable, can we get that confirmed please by your wife or girlfriend?

Maybe it's just "perceived" because somebody said so or people read and repeat it?
Or, maybe it's related to people's phone GB size/configuration?

My 6S Plus is just fine and I don't understand why people with 6s and 7s would complain.
Older devices may suffer slightly and will be left in the dust when 11 comes around.

Obviously the Apple execs use their phones and if for example the heads of the software upgrade department would have lagging phones, they'd work on that pronto.

Plus, Apple gets a lot of feedback which we can be sure they explore and use to improve things.

Lastly:

We get Free upgrades all the time. 10.3 in the works and 11 coming probably in the fall.

What is there to complain about, milliseconds a task takes longer when there are thousands of configurations between apps and info on by now on millions and millions of iPhones?
 
Most people I know did not want to update but got tired of daily spam reminders from Apple and well over a gig of lost storage from a forced download.
I know a lot of people don't even know that you can delete the download in settings where it shows how much space each app is taking up on your phone. Settings>General>storage>manage storage. If it downloaded the newest iOS it will show there. Then once it's deleted set up preferences to not allow auto downloads. That is what I did and I never get the prompts anymore. It will still show you have 1 software update but it won't download it anymore taking up space on your phone. That's how it works for me since iOS 10 came out.
 
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There's some pluses and minuses to either approach that I can really think of

Google went their way as a reaction to not having control over the updates of Android handsets, but still wanting all their users to be able to use the latest and up to date Android applications. If you did use android back in 2-3, you will have frequently encountered issues where the OEM won't update your android version, which means you ended up stuck on oudated Google Services and google Apps. That doesn't help google. So they segmented them out. However, (i'm not 100% certain on this just yet, need mroe testing), doing this method can overall mean less compatibility between applications, Potential bugs (as they have to write messaging layers between Apps, rather than allow them to share a back end). They may require more resources, since as seperate apps, they require their own memory footprints instead of shared memory between some. Also potentially larger overall since each app would need to include more of it's own libraries, instead of shared core OS libraries, since the OS libraries themselves might not get updated on older versions.

with the iOS way. it's very tightnit and things work much smoother together (when they work). resourcing is less and things operate a lot smoother and quicker due to tie into the core and kernel. But, it means that those individual applications generally need to come bundled together as an OS update, rather than individual app updates. But since Apple does control the delivery of updates, they can get them out quickly and provide everyone access to them on day 1, but it does mean that if you need to update a single Application, you need to provide that update in the form of a full OS update, which is generally a more lengthy and involved process to install and deploy for apple (they have to QA a lot more since the update actually changes the OS).

I can't say that either one is "better", only that both have been designed around the companies focuses and limitations, and thus we have diverging paths on how each company handles it's core applications updates. at the end of the day, regardless if you're on iOS or Android, you will have up to date core apps if you keep your devices updated when necessary and this whole "segmentation" bullcrud that was talked about a decade ago is mostly irrelevant today.

i see the pros and cons. Thank you, again.

But with a monolithic kernel+coreapps approach, Apple demands a large amount of free memory to render an iOS update (esp. if using OTA upgrades).

And, with Cook trying hard to force, first, 8GB, and later 16GB for entry-level iPhone memory, this was a fail to lots of people that purchased entry-level iPhones.

This of course is not a problem when kernel and core-apps are dynamically linked and upgraded separately.

Anyway. An interesting discussion. And I learned something about Android today that was not aware.
 
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Not this high. The nag screens had a huge impact. And regardless of how you slice it, the nag screens are unethical since they trick people into doing something that cannot be undone. Shame on Apple for that. Zero excuses.
I wonder what the statistics would be if they didn't bombard users with update messages.
More or less the same given that these types of statistics were more or less the same for quite a few previous iOS versions that typically didn't "bombard users with update messages".

Most people I know did not want to update but got tired of daily spam reminders from Apple and well over a gig of lost storage from a forced download.
There have been other ways to deal with it all without actually updating and losing space (and getting update reminders). Most typical users just didn't really care and in many cases wanted to update, while many of those that didn't for whatever reason didn't really look for those solutions (for whatever reason).
 
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It still would be a good idea to take advantage of the battery replacement sooner than later. You can have it replaced the same day in your local Apple Store (I believe). Some Members were having great battery life with the 6s and then randomly were experiencing drainage issues.
Thanks I'm going to hold off until I see any issues with my existing battery or at least until the recall campaign expires. *grin*
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that our devices have been slowed down with consecutive iOS versions? Are you implying we are liars? Or is it Apple can do no wrong bcoz sales?
It's simpler than that--it's not really about much of any of that and more about the supposed only conclusion that is being drawn about this being some sort of a planned obsolescence conspiracy while only having conjectures and correlations to support it without any actual proof, and at the same time consistently overlooking anything else plausible that might be playing a role if it doesn't fit in with the conspiracy hypothesis.
 
Thanks I'm going to hold off until I see any issues with my existing battery or at least until the recall campaign expires. *grin*

Fair enough. Good to hear your not experiencing any issues with OS or your battery.
 
Why is it so hard for you to understand that our devices have been slowed down with consecutive iOS versions? Are you implying we are liars? Or is it Apple can do no wrong bcoz sales?
Who is our devices? Why do you keep posting the stereotypical we? Are you implying that I'm not posting the truth and the people who notice a boost in performance are not posting the truth? Or is it anything Apple does, there is a negative spin on it. What's with the hyperbole?
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My devices and judging from some responses from some members,their devices as well have seen a huge slow down. Thats all the proof we need
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The bulk of iOS 10 update was iMessage and keyboard updates. On Android all that takes is a Play Store update. If Android updates were a priority to your friend he should have gotten a Nexus. I never bought my Galaxy S2 thinking it would get Nougat and on this so called "older" version it blows the doors off certain older iOS devices from 2015
There is enough proof to show iOS 9 is faster than iOS 8, that's all the proof I need.

As far as android, android devices from 2012 aren't getting updates, iOS devices are. Nor are android devices in the latest versions of the operating system from 5 years ago.
 
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You enjoy your games and videos, and also all the vulnerabilities and security issues, that an almost five-year old OS brings with it.

I won't even ask how incompetent one has to be to NOT properly play a 720p video on an iPhone 7.

Holy Apple smugness Batman! however I have zero worries about vulnerabilities and security issues since I only use it to place games, watch movies, read comics and view pictures.

Second its a major pain in the ass and a complete hit or miss if an app on the IPhone will play anything other than M4v, movs, and mp4s. Congratulations on using a big word like incompetent, I am sure your mommy and daddy will be very proud.
 
i see the pros and cons. Thank you, again.

But with a monolithic kernel+coreapps approach, Apple demands a large amount of free memory to render an iOS update (esp. if using OTA upgrades).

And, with Cook trying hard to force, first, 8GB, and later 16GB for entry-level iPhone memory, this was a fail to lots of people that purchased entry-level iPhones.

This of course is not a problem when kernel and core-apps are dynamically linked and upgraded separately.

Anyway. An interesting discussion. And I learned something about Android today that was not aware.
Just a small correction jobs started with 16gb and less. And a side note about fail for "lots of people". I could say it was a success for "lots of people".
 
Based on what? Every iOS version since at least iOS 6 had an adoption rate of >90% at the end of its cycle. If the nag screens are that annoying, I would assume that the adoption would be significantly higher.
If it has no impact then why would they be doing it?
 
I know a lot of people don't even know that you can delete the download in settings where it shows how much space each app is taking up on your phone. Settings>General>storage>manage storage. If it downloaded the newest iOS it will show there. Then once it's deleted set up preferences to not allow auto downloads. That is what I did and I never get the prompts anymore. It will still show you have 1 software update but it won't download it anymore taking up space on your phone. That's how it works for me since iOS 10 came out.

Please do not let people in on these secrets.

It is easier to complain and be lazy than to figure things out.

They won't even google things when they get annoyed to look for solutions.
 
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"Adoption" implies that you voluntarily choose to do something.

If someone tells me "This kid is for you, if you don't raise him we'll bang on the door every day and keep turning off all of your appliances until you do." I don't really consider that adoption.
 
I honestly feel like they make it run slower on the previous gen devices.
I do too. Conspiracies aside, I'm getting sick of it. I may go with the Pixel next. Apple really has dropped the ball quite often lately. I don't understand why their stock keeps skyrocketing. No headphone jack on the iPhone 7. Don't get me started on the new MacBook Pro.

Don't ask me why I check this site still. I guess I have a glimmering hope I'll see good news, but I'm pessimistic.
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This is a horrible assumption. I have an iPhone 6S Plus. By all intents and purposes it should run 10.2 without any issues. Yet it lags in everything I do. Typing text should be be any lag.

I upgrade my iPhone about once every 3-4 years, this is more feasible than every 2, especially with cell companies basically raping people now with their lease plans.

I agree. It's a horrible assumption. If they can't release a version on older hardware that runs silky smooth, they shouldn't update it. Or better yet, leave the main version on the phone alone and just issue security patches. I honestly don't know why in 2017 this isn't an option.

Whatever. As much as I don't want to, I'll likely go Android for my next phone. :(
 
I've had a multitude of issues related to the TV app. From the angle lock not working, to the video stuck on an endless repeating loop to even FINDING the stuff on my iPhone. Most everything else has been ok but the TV app definitely needs improvement.
 
The bulk of iOS 10 update was iMessage and keyboard updates. On Android all that takes is a Play Store update. If Android updates were a priority to your friend he should have gotten a Nexus. I never bought my Galaxy S2 thinking it would get Nougat and on this so called "older" version it blows the doors off certain older iOS devices from 2015
Actually he came from a 6P (two actually) and another couple Moto X's before that, but after realizing that his body apparently makes electronics glitch out in about 3-4 months time, he realized it was stupid to spend top money on something that he was going to have to replace all the time. Even when he had an iPhone he had to restart it every couple days. I've never seen the like. And it's not like he was expecting to get Android 7 but Lenovo didn't even bother updating their only one-generation-back flagship to 6.1 which apparently would have resolved the issues.
 
Nice with (auto) update, but not for everybody. The iPad I gave to my Mum a few years back, updated itself last week and now she can't activate it. It's basically dead hardware, because of software update. She can't even request a new password, because some Apple-id account she had in the past had invalid characters in the e-mail address.

Now she has given it to me and I must try to fix it :(

This is starting feel like Windows all over again

That sounds like a personal problem, not an Apple problem. Just saying.
 
iOS 10 is the best version of iOS that's ever been released

Wouldn't anything else be pretty sad?
Always funny when they say it's their best iPhone yet aswell.
But yes, 10 has been one of the best versions regarding performance. In the past some iOS versions trashed performance of older devices, 10 seems to do well in this regard.
 
But with tens of Millions of idevices there will be varied experiences. Clearly cannot be said as "the truth".

As for preferences into operating systems, glad there are consumer choices.

Fair enough. I think Apple is close. They already have multiuser accounts on iOS (education only I believe ), and their hw gets more powerful each year.

Maybe 2018 for me.
 
Meanwhile, more people (in numbers) are using Kitkat, Marshmallow or Lollipop (separately) than people on iOS 10.
Doesn't seem to annoy them.
 
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Totally anecdotal and irrelevant.
The key phrase here:
Yeah, no.

Factual. Perhaps you can replace the "I" in my statement with "someone" or "anyone" to coney the right idea?

See LordVic's post regarding the differences between iOS and Android for an explanation of how this is so.
 
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