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I been searching all over the web this one...can someone on iOS 10 at iPad please check if the Split View picker is still the same? random app order? No favorites?
 
Keynote was a mess of various and sometimes questionable features stuffed together. New iOS Control Center and Music app redesign is a mess too. Went from ugly to bad design. Poor Apple.
Yes Indeed!

I purposely collapsed any expectations so as not to be disappointed.

Yet still I was surprised at just how random and incoherent this day at WWDC was. I've attended them all, thus I have a general sense of how Apple handles these events. Nothing about todays presentation felt like a typical day one WWDC experience.

This most certainly isn't the Apple I grew to enjoy and respect.
 
Giving users more of an opportunity to control the look and feel of their personal iOS experience. Nice Apple. Seems like they're going all in on converting Android users to iOS. Deleting stock apps, Memories in the Photos app, individual app upgrades, etc. Pretty soon there's going to be little difference in the way each of the OS function. That's a good thing for people like me.


Umm did I miss something what can you control look and feel wise? I don't consider being able to delete stock apps a way to control look and feel. I was hoping they would let you move icons were you want (no auto arrange top left) let you change the notification sound for any app, and let you set third party apps as the default app for that function. Throw in a winter board type app to set icon themes and I'd be a happy iPhone user. Pretty simple tweaks that for some reason apple keeps avoiding. Not loving that the ui look is getting very disjointed the music app fonts, new notification look = yuk. At least Androids material design is consistent and fairly clean.
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Unfortunately, it will still try to open the Apple Maps app and prompt you to re-download it. I'm hoping they'll let you set default apps in the future.

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Another note, when I re-downloaded the Apple Maps app from the AppStore, it was instant. This leads me to believe that you don't actually delete the apps, just hide them. It was seriously instant; I tapped the cloud-like download button, and the 'open' button instantly appeared.

UPDATE: I can confirm that the app isn't actually deleted and is instead hidden. You can test this yourself by having the Maps AppStore page open, delete the Maps app, go back to the AppStore page and see the cloud-like download icon, turn on airplane mode, still able to download the app instantly


So much for trying to save space when deleting useless apple apps. BAD APPLE!
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Seems unless I'm missing something, Apple did not include Dark Mode like initially suspected. Furthermore, iMessage is not coming to Android, either. If someone knows more about this, feel free to chime in.

iMessage is the new BBM. They both resisted going multi platform so long that they became irrelevant.
 
Yet still I was surprised at just how random and incoherent this day at WWDC was. I've attended them all, thus I have a general sense of how Apple handles these events. Nothing about todays presentation felt like a typical day one WWDC experience.
Lucky you... I never had a chance to attend Steve's WWDC and it makes me sad that I missed this opportunity.
What else was different this time?
 
Lucky you... I never had a chance to attend Steve's WWDC and it makes me sad that I missed this opportunity.
What else was different this time?
I do consider myself fortunate to have attended every single WWDC including the original.

Steve Jobs was truly a master presenter. Each year he became better and better. Captivating the audience with his compelling style, he was at his best on stage.

While there was quite a few aspects of the man I was put off by, he was the world's best pitchman in my opinion.

The difference? This year's presentation seemed very artificial, a bit desperate, disjointed and cobbled together.

Emoji's a big high point... really Apple :eek:
 
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****in'A
wow these computer science PHD 's must be so proud of this over achievement
making it finally possible to remove apps they rammed down our throats for 10 freakin years
thankyou living gods !

How were you ever able to survive with the small little squares on your phone? I sought concealing three times a week and made random pilgramiges to make it through.
 
Pretty cool, you can swipe between control center and music. Reminds me of the Apple Watch glances
 

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No way :eek: I was sure someone else's.

I think the point is:
Usually people preface an opinion with something like "I think" or "I feel", or the like- here, I'll give an example: "To me, if one states something that is CLEARLY merely their opinion, yet purports it to be fact... it comes off both as pompous & disingenuous".
 
I think the point is:
Usually people preface an opinion with something like "I think" or "I feel", or the like- here, I'll give an example: "To me, if one states something that is CLEARLY merely their opinion, yet purports it to be fact... it comes off both as pompous & disingenuous".
I'd say what you wrote above is pompous & disingenuous.

I don't see here everyone prefacing his posts with "I think" or "I feel" or the like. So usually people do not preface an opinion with anything. People understand they're sharing their opinions here. To most people it seems to be obvious.
 
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Umm did I miss something what can you control look and feel wise? I don't consider being able to delete stock apps a way to control look and feel. I was hoping they would let you move icons were you want (no auto arrange top left) let you change the notification sound for any app, and let you set third party apps as the default app for that function. Throw in a winter board type app to set icon themes and I'd be a happy iPhone user. Pretty simple tweaks that for some reason apple keeps avoiding. Not loving that the ui look is getting very disjointed the music app fonts, new notification look = yuk. At least Androids material design is consistent and fairly clean.
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So much for trying to save space when deleting useless apple apps. BAD APPLE!
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iMessage is the new BBM. They both resisted going multi platform so long that they became irrelevant.
I said more control, not complete. More as in more than they've ever allowed. No one expected a complete 180. This is more like a 45 degree departure from their norm. Baby steps. I drive an S5 so I know exactly how clean Material design is. And you're right, it is a nice design. That doesn't negate Apple loosening the death grip somewhat.

You're sort of tilting at windmills regarding the space savings since the apps weren't that heavy at all.
 
Being able to delete default/built-in apps is a huge fail--this is a new low in the (brief) post-Jobs era. I've been a huge Apple fan since 1994 but I'm done.

How is letting people remove something they don't want a fail? You like people having full control over you and dictating every little thing you can and cannot do? Or did I misunderstand you?

What a relief. I don't know how much horror, discomfort and dread that having to live life with the default apps. I mean they took up space, in a folder. The nightmare is over. The nightmare is over.

Are you one of those people that takes takes old junk that you never use or just plain trash and shove it into your closet? Well some of us are actually organized and don't like trash to just be compartmentalized. So yes, people are happy that they have the option to be more organized and not have hidden trash all over the place, even if it's in folders across 20 screens...or your basement. Just sayin', clean it out man.

I been searching all over the web this one...can someone on iOS 10 at iPad please check if the Split View picker is still the same? random app order? No favorites?

It was never in random order. It's in the same exact order (with only apps that support split) as the regular task screen where most recent is on the bottom.

What order would make more sense for you?

iMessage is the new BBM. They both resisted going multi platform so long that they became irrelevant.

I doubt it will go soon, but I really hope it does go down in flames forcing Apple to go cross-platform or some other app that is cross-platform to take the lead. I'm very tired of having 20 separate apps for co workers, friends, etc. Everyone using something different. The common fallback on SMS is great, but the Apple platform sucks because there is nothing that falls back on SMS except iMessages.

Maybe Skype will figure out how to hijack SMS (in a good way).
 
I am pleased with the updates announced or discovered today. We don't need revolutionary changes, but by opening up APIs to developers we will see some neat things that Apple couldn't resource. The uniformity across the 4 OSs is somewhat will continue to make Apple the place to be.

So all you meh, fail yawners, I am the anti you.
 
I agree the presentation was very chaotic, but am I really the only one who was pleasantly surprised by iOS 10? I found tvOS and macOS to be seriously underwhelming but iOS 10 is huge. Apple has a difficult battle: everything in iOS is hidden in apps and to move on from the endless row of app icons, they had to open up iOS in several New ways. And they did. Opening up messages, Siri and maps for developers is huge. You can't see the consequences yet as developers have to start their work now.
 
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Umm did I miss something what can you control look and feel wise? I don't consider being able to delete stock apps a way to control look and feel. I was hoping they would let you move icons were you want (no auto arrange top left) let you change the notification sound for any app, and let you set third party apps as the default app for that function. Throw in a winter board type app to set icon themes and I'd be a happy iPhone user. Pretty simple tweaks that for some reason apple keeps avoiding. Not loving that the ui look is getting very disjointed the music app fonts, new notification look = yuk. At least Androids material design is consistent and fairly clean.
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So much for trying to save space when deleting useless apple apps. BAD APPLE!
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iMessage is the new BBM. They both resisted going multi platform so long that they became irrelevant.
Apple points out that the space the apps take up all together is quite small and effectively negligible.
 
Looks like iOS 10 will work better on devices with 3 GB of ram or more seeing that the device will be handling more tasks so the rumored update to 3 gb ram on the iPhone makes more sense now. iOS 10 will be handling more background tasks in which users with lower ram may run into issues....mark my word. There is a reason why android devices need so much ram and that's all the background tasks and notification features and widgets running behind the scenes..iOS is becoming like android.
 
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