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Yeah, it’s difficult to avoid and impossible to ignore.

Apple basically harass users into upgrading. It doesn't work with everyone. ;)

Same here.

I have to be very careful when I turn on my devices. Occasionally, I will get a message that new updates were downloaded and, if I press the wrong key, my device will be upgraded with no chance of going back.

As you can see from my images that is not the case. It is STILL downloading updates. I had just deleted one before taking those screenshots.
What you likely want to do is to download and install an Apple tvOS or watchOS beta profile that way it won't be able to check for iOS updates and won't automatically download them or prompt you to install them.
 
What you likely want to do is to download and install an Apple tvOS or watchOS beta profile that way it won't be able to check for iOS updates and won't automatically download them or prompt you to install them.
Can you elaborate a little?
 
They've added the option to have it do the whole thing without prompt, it seems.

With Automatic Updates set to "Off", it still downloads the updates in the background and prompts you incessantly to update (usually right while you're in the middle of something), with it set up to try to get you to say yes or schedule a time.
I've never had it prompt me incessantly on any device. I get notices once about a new update and then it doesn't bother me anymore. Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
As you can see from my images that is not the case. It is STILL downloading updates. I had just deleted one before taking those screenshots.
I see on the pictures that it asks if you like to download and install. There is no way it updates on its own when auto update is switched off. There is also no way it downloads anything on 3/4G, if at all on wifi. Thats convenience if its true. But update? Forced? No.
 
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I've never had it prompt me incessantly on any device. I get notices once about a new update and then it doesn't bother me anymore. Maybe I'm just lucky.
If you don't install it then the downloaded update just sits there basically just taking up space for no reason. If you delete it it will get downloaded again at some point and will prompt you to install again.
 
all my devices (2 iPhones and iPad Air 2) still in iOS 10 or older.

And you leave yourself completely vulnerable to security breaches by not upgrading that have not been patched with older versions of iOS, like Spectre and meltdown. It’s your devices, but so is your security and credentials.
 
If you don't install it then the downloaded update just sits there basically just taking up space for no reason. If you delete it it will get downloaded again at some point and will prompt you to install again.
I don't mind it sitting there because it doesn't prompt me. It would probably bother me greatly if I didn't have so much storage on my device. I usually keep my device updated after a week or two after the initial release to make sure there aren't any glaring issues with the update. I'm done with the whole guinea pig thing.

And you leave yourself completely vulnerable to security breaches by not upgrading that have not been patched with older versions of iOS, like Spectre and meltdown. It’s your devices, but so is your security and credentials.
Yeah I don't get that either.
 
That 8% still in iOS 10 and 9 is a troubling number. That should be smaller. It's the reason Instagram pulled hi-res support and is building their code with Xcode 9. Around 4% are still running iOS 9. For Instagram, that means 40 millions users on iOS 9.
Not really, keep in mind that there was a cutoff with 32bit apps and there are some who I guess don't want to lose those apps. Then of course there's the iPad 2 which only went as high as iOS 9 and the iPad 4 stopped at iOS 10. There has got to be millions of those iPad's in still in service, especially the iPad 2.
 
I see on the pictures that it asks if you like to download and install. There is no way it updates on its own when auto update is switched off. There is also no way it downloads anything on 3/4G, if at all on wifi. Thats convenience if its true. But update? Forced? No.
You've not read my posts.
For a start you do NOT know details about anybody's network. That wifi connection 3G could be a hotspot for all you know and secondly it may be a standard metered wifi connection.
I never said it installed the update. In fact the post you replied to it says 'downloading'.
Look through the posts on this topic, others are saying the opposite of what you are claiming.
 
Not really, keep in mind that there was a cutoff with 32bit apps and there are some who I guess don't want to lose those apps. Then of course there's the iPad 2 which only went as high as iOS 9 and the iPad 4 stopped at iOS 10. There has got to be millions of those iPad's in still in service, especially the iPad 2.
Yeah ... I had some of those 32 bit apps ... but the apps were immensely buggy and had not been updated in years because they've been abandoned. I don't see a point in hanging on to those apps by sacrificing security.

It would be along the lines of what's described in some articles, like http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/06/how-to-block-ios-software-updates-iphone-ipad.html, for example. (You'd likely need to get the tvOS or watchOS beta profiles for the latest versions as the ones in some of the articles are for some older versions and the profiles might be expired at this point.)
Yes, this does work. But you'll have to check the web manually for iOS 12 update information because you won't receive them on the beta profile.
 
And you leave yourself completely vulnerable to security breaches by not upgrading that have not been patched with older versions of iOS, like Spectre and meltdown. It’s your devices, but so is your security and credentials.
While that is true, I often wonder how much of a concern those are in the sense of actual real world cases where something like that actually happened. (It certainly doesn't really change my approach to keep updated, but I wonder nonetheless.)
 
Not much different than iOS 7. Still lacks the basics like placing icons anywhere on home screen, changing default apps, swiping away phone calls so you're not stuck staring at call screen, VP9 YouTube codec support, background multitasking, etc. Higher version number is just putting lipstick on a pig.
 
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Oooops, MR...
Not the same thing, as far as I understand: It is akin to comparing apples to oranges
[And, God knows how much I dislike anything orange lately/s].

Why? (as far as I know)
  1. Android OS separates core services from the kernel, with services and kernel bound dynamically at runtime. Services and Kernel are upgraded separately. (The Android kernel is just a Linux kernel.)
  2. IOS is monolithic, and its core services are a part of the kernel. Ergo, upgrading say, Mail or iMessage, requires IOS to be upgraded in toto.
This is why Android can, presumably, outlive iOS without major kernel revisions.
As far as I know.
 
But no device that supported iOS 11 was dropped in iOS 12 ‍♂️
Oh wow, I didnt even pick up on that. Probably means a lot of devices will be dropped for iOS 13 then. Makes sense, they will be left on the "stable" version
 
No it's not. Choice is one of the most compelling reason to do loads of things - now they've taken it away.
You assume most Apple users want choice to begin with. The ones I know would rather just have a good working product without the need to upgrade or downgrade constantly. The ones who do want choice are generally in this forum whining about their lack of choices.
 
Oh wow, I didnt even pick up on that. Probably means a lot of devices will be dropped for iOS 13 then. Makes sense, they will be left on the "stable" version
32-bit phones were dropped in iOS 11, so iOS 12 was just repeating the same pattern. It remains to be seen what will be supported in iOS 13.
 
You assume most Apple users want choice to begin with. The ones I know would rather just have a good working product without the need to upgrade or downgrade constantly. The ones who do want choice are generally in this forum whining about their lack of choices.
To be fair, having choices means that those who don't care about choices don't have to do anything and things won't be any different for them.
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Can any iOS devs summerize the new features in ios12?
https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/ios-12/
 
Honestly at this point there’s no reason to not to update to iOS 12, it’s that good
From iOS 11, probably not much of a reason not to. From an earlier iOS version there might be some reasons (like 32-bit app support, for example).
 
Honestly at this point there’s no reason to not to update to iOS 12, it’s that good
Yeah ... if anything ... people should upgrade to iOS 12 immediately ... and then stay on iOS 12 to see how iOS 13 is. Staying on iOS 10 makes absolutely zero sense at this point.

From iOS 11, probably not much of a reason not to. From an earlier iOS version there might be some reasons (like 32-bit app support, for example).
That is a good point, but those apps are so incredibly outdated and buggy. I don't like being ball-and-chained to an operating system because the devs abandoned ship.
 
That 8% still in iOS 10 and 9 is a troubling number. That should be smaller. It's the reason Instagram pulled hi-res support and is building their code with Xcode 9. Around 4% are still running iOS 9. For Instagram, that means 40 millions users on iOS 9.

I use iOS 9 on my iPad Air 2. Why? Because I am not willing to give up slide to unlock. I also rather keep my ipad on an earlier version to pre-long it. Updating your device just slows it down.
 
That is a good point, but those apps are so incredibly outdated and buggy. I don't like being ball-and-chained to an operating system because the devs abandoned ship.
It can depend on the apps and the need for them. The main point is that there can be meaningful reasons that exit for some.
 
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