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It can depend on the apps and the need for them. The main point is that there can be meaningful reasons that exit for some.
Yes, I realize that. I was stuck on a 32-bit app for quite a while that, at the time, was crucial to my business. I was fortunately able to find an alternative.
 
Well with Apple's wonderful track record with planned obsolescence, what do you expect people like me to think?
Literally everyone on iOS 12 in this forum unanimously agrees it’s a good upgrade, including devices as old as the 5S. Everyone unanimously agreed iOS 11 was a steaming pile of crap. Yes, their track record has been bad, but you can generally tell if something is worth upgrading to by frequenting this forum.
 
I was thinking about upgrading my iPhone 7+ from iOS 10 but after reading that they didn't fix the microphone software issue where users who upgrade have to pay a $300 repair fee to Apple to fix their software bug I'm happily staying on iOS 10.
 
Yeah, it’s difficult to avoid and impossible to ignore.
I just learnt to keep hitting the sleep/power button to exit out of that pop-up which I cannot ignore and one tap at a time to go into settings, then general, and then iPhone storage.
It is just a response game on how fast I can tap the screen before the damn pop-up shows up.
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I guess I was under the assumption that iOS 12 improved the performance and includes security updates for devices back to the iPhone 5S? I also have never had iOS automatically download on my phones or iPads so I was not aware Apple was forcing users to update software.
You must not leave the phone on charger and Wi-Fi at the same time.
Unless you have a specific profile that prevents that from happening, it keeps downloading on its own.
Is your network blocking the Apple servers?
 
I just learnt to keep hitting the sleep/power button to exit out of that pop-up which I cannot ignore and one tap at a time to go into settings, then general, and then iPhone storage.
It is just a response game on how fast I can tap the screen before the damn pop-up shows up.
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You must not leave the phone on charger and Wi-Fi at the same time.
Unless you have a specific profile that prevents that from happening, it keeps downloading on its own.
Is your network blocking the Apple servers?
You can choose not to install it a pop-up comes up and then go and delete the downloaded update.
 
False statistic again from Apple. If they quit forcing people to upgrade or allowed people to revert to a previous version those numbers would plummet.

How are you even going to be so certain of this hypothetical claim?

If everything works why would a user go back?
Moreover, if it doesn't work, how many users would spend another 30mins or more (added to the existing time) after upgrading and testing to back again? Remember Apps are also updated per iOS update for bug fixes and security patches which iOS includes. Only to be more frustrated and complain further to IT shops of companies they work for, then to Apple and their private circle.

You don't even see that happening that often with PC OS except for Windows ME and Vista/Win8.
 
Literally everyone on iOS 12 in this forum unanimously agrees it’s a good upgrade, including devices as old as the 5S. Everyone unanimously agreed iOS 11 was a steaming pile of crap. Yes, their track record has been bad, but you can generally tell if something is worth upgrading to by frequenting this forum.

I agree with you. I think its a very good update. But I won't update to it because I loose slide to unlock and also gain unwanted iPhone X gestures.
 
I agree with you. I think its a very good update. But I won't update to it because I loose slide to unlock and also gain unwanted iPhone X gestures.
You don't get any iPhone X gestures unless you are on an iPhone X, XS, or XR. Anything iPhone 8 and under uses the same home button interface functionality as before (except slide to unlock). Not sure why slide to unlock is such a killer feature for you.
 
If I remember correctly, the options were Install now, install later, and details.
So you are saying I should choose details?
Either install later or the details option should allow you to not install the update.
 
I guess I was under the assumption that iOS 12 improved the performance and includes security updates for devices back to the iPhone 5S? I also have never had iOS automatically download on my phones or iPads so I was not aware Apple was forcing users to update software.

It doesn't force you but it keeps reminding you that there is a new update. If you hit the wrong button when it displays the message, it updates and there is nothing you can do :(.
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Either install later or the details option should allow you to not install the update.

Yes, but it is very easy to hit the wrong button unless you are careful.

I do manually delete the update but it's been a close call sometimes on avoiding the update.
 
It doesn't force you but it keeps reminding you that there is a new update. If you hit the wrong button when it displays the message, it updates and there is nothing you can do :(.
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Yes, but it is very easy to hit the wrong button unless you are careful.
If you do a hard reset it won't install anything. You have plenty of time to do this while it prepares for installation.
 
It doesn't force you but it keeps reminding you that there is a new update. If you hit the wrong button when it displays the message, it updates and there is nothing you can do :(.
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Yes, but it is very easy to hit the wrong button unless you are careful.
You don't need to be careful really, just basically pay attention. And best to delete the downloaded update (if it's been downloaded) when that happens.

That said, it would certainly be much better of all those options were provided in a better way, and if there was an option to disable the automatic update download to begin with.
 
Thank you. That's good to know.

Are you sure it will not attempt to do the update after it turns back on ?
It won't if you have automatic updates turned off. You can still turn it off after you restart the phone if you need to. I've accidentally clicked install a couple times and this stopped it without any issues.
 
You don't get any iPhone X gestures unless you are on an iPhone X, XS, or XR. Anything iPhone 8 and under uses the same home button interface functionality as before (except slide to unlock). Not sure why slide to unlock is such a killer feature for you.

When Apple removed slide to unlock, I was very upset over it, and still am. That's why I will not "give in" I will continue to use what I enjoy. They were wrong for removing it and I back up my actions by not upgrading and just "giving in" for the sake of a newer iOS. Everything works perfectly.
 
Either install later or the details option should allow you to not install the update.
The install later would then ask me when...and no way around it.
I am more afraid that simply implies and gave them the go ahead to re-download and install on its own.
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When Apple removed slide to unlock, I was very upset over it, and still am. That's why I will not "give in" I will continue to use what I enjoy. They were wrong for removing it and I back up my actions by not upgrading and just "giving in" for the sake of a newer iOS. Everything works perfectly.
I am also upset about that, especially when the touch ID is so unreliable for my sweaty fingers.
I guess I moved on once I got the X.
 
The install later would then ask me when...and no way around it.
I am more afraid that simply implies and gave them the go ahead to re-download and install on its own.
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I am also upset about that, especially when the touch ID is so unreliable for my sweaty fingers.
I guess I moved on once I got the X.
As I recall there would usually be an option to remind you later instead of picking a time on the following screen. The idea there is basically not to install at that point and then delete the downloaded update from storage, which means that it can't be installed anyway as it's not there. (And then tvOS or watchOS beta profile can be installed if updates need to be truly avoided on a more a long-term basis.)
 
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At least make a fair comparison and only include Android devices from the last four years.
 
iOS 12 operating system is installed on 78 percent of devices released in the last four years

And what is it in terms of all iOS devices? Including those that weren't sold in the last 4 years?

To me the value of Apple has always been the expectation that their devices last nearly twice as long as their competitor. I expect 6 to 10 years from a Mac - and at $1200 this X should function until at least 2025.
 
And what is it in terms of all iOS devices? Including those that weren't sold in the last 4 years?

To me the value of Apple has always been the expectation that their devices last nearly twice as long as their competitor. I expect 6 to 10 years from a Mac - and at $1200 this X should function until at least 2025.
I fully expect the X/Xs should function for at least 7 years, excluding battery replacements. I'm still using my ipad 2 and that was gimped by measly memory, maybe sufficient for 2011, but not enough in 2019.
 
And what is it in terms of all iOS devices? Including those that weren't sold in the last 4 years?
What follows that first sentence comments on that as well, mentioning the following: "While 78 percent of all devices from the last four years are running iOS 12, 75 percent of all devices have the updated installed."
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To me the value of Apple has always been the expectation that their devices last nearly twice as long as their competitor. I expect 6 to 10 years from a Mac - and at $1200 this X should function until at least 2025.
Mobile technology is becoming mature these days, but it's still a ways off from desktop class computer technology that has at least a few decades on it.
 
Yes, I realize that. I was stuck on a 32-bit app for quite a while that, at the time, was crucial to my business. I was fortunately able to find an alternative.
Yet in the same breath you say....."Yeah ... I had some of those 32 bit apps ... but the apps were immensely buggy and had not been updated in years because they've been abandoned. I don't see a point in hanging on to those apps by sacrificing security.".
You make no sense.
 
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