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This is why developers want to write for iOS. Stable market compared to ”the others” on the Island.
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Indeed, Android people don’t buy apps. They don’t buy anything. Phone calls, emails, and text is all they do. Maybe Facebook/Messenger. That target market has no money, as you said. It’s a race to a bottom that was already a bottom; a race to nowhere. Yes as you said, iPhone people indeed have the extra money (or at least spend money, whether they have it or not , in the case of some people I know).

hmm quite a sweeping statement. I have certainly purchased apps (subscriptions etc) on Android, and on Apple (probably more, but not substantially). I would also add that in the past, since I haven’t bought anything recently on either platform, that apps in the Play store were often cheaper and / or free as apposed to the App Store counterpart. (To buy in the first place)

As for “ iPhone people indeed have the extra money,” well that’s just a ridiculous (snobby) statement. iPhone people? for goodness sake, what are those? People only buy android phones because they’er poor? if you want to make silly bigoted statements, I think “iPhone people” waste more money than Android people
 
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It's impressive but as always the nagging to update must be involved. Can't wait for that update to stop new versions downloading!

People should get reminded but also people should have the option to dismiss until a newer version is out. Some people may wanna escape a particular buggy release.
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Is there a way to spin this into some negative news?

It has already begun before you even commented. Most of the times I am here to read "spinners" work of art :p
 
81% of all iPhones use iOS 13? How can that possibly be correct? iOS 13 only works on 6S and above, so this must mean less than 19% of all iPhones in existence are 6 or older?

Or do they really mean 81% of all iPhones that are eligible to install iOS 13 have done so?

I think you can only make such a sweeping statement if you adopt an aggressive mechanism for removing older iPhones from the calculation.
Seems like the article has more details:
When it comes to all iPhones, including those that were released more than four years ago, 81 percent of devices have iOS 13 installed. 13 percent are running iOS 12, and six percent are running an earlier version of iOS.
 
They nag you to death with daily reminders that requires multiple screen progression before you can go back to using the watch or phone or iPad. Nice to know that some people can still resist the 1984 approach that Apple takes to force "updates" which many times eliminate uses or possibilities. "Security" should not mean, you can't do this anymore.

My words. And often they fix bugs in next major release that is available for new batch of users with older hardware that are left in cold.

But mainly, why responding is Covid API that requires iOS 13.5 that is still installed on fraction of iPhones and leaves about at least 15% os base out of game. iOS 12 should be covered at minimum by new API.
 
i still dont understand what upcoming update will add, considering the "disable automatic updates" switch is present from day one of first iphone. i NEVER updated iphone from iphone itself. i ALWAYS updated it MANUALLY from itunes. sometimes, when i used jailbreak (old good times when untethered JB existed), i dont updated even for one year, and nothing bothered me to do so. so, whats so exctiting about this "new" feature???

I like to be in as much control of my devices as possible, regardless of being in the walled garden. More options is a good thing.

Plus there’s also the chance of accidentally agreeing to the update install if you are not careful. Eventually “nag mode” will start.

I’ve seen it written before (admittedly back in the 16 GB days) where people have run out of storage because the update has auto downloaded itself, they were not even aware it does that. It’s bloody cheeky of Apple.

I don’t know why you mention iTunes updates or jailbreaks when quoting me?
 
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There are zero AAA apps/games that can not run on a 4 yr old android device with a 4 yr old os.


Even Tinder has some weird bugs on an android device that last got an update in 2018. (And was released in 2017.. running Android 7.0, which is 4 years old) It works fine on a newer phone.

And it's also missing the emoji that were released afterwards and won't let me install newer ones. Which is pretty annoying, when someone sends them to you and you don't know what it is.

That's why fragmentation is bad. Bad for developers, bad for users.
 
What percentage of Android phones sold in the past 4 years are running the latest version of Android? 15%? Less?
i make android app , most of android are updating via play store while ios in ios update. If you have older iphone, ipod it still /will have degradion which reduce the best perform for the operating system.Conclusion want to use latest future, buy new phone which android are way 5x cheaper then cheapest apple device.
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This is why developers want to write for iOS. Stable market compared to ”the others” on the Island.
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Indeed, Android people don’t buy apps. They don’t buy anything. Phone calls, emails, and text is all they do. Maybe Facebook/Messenger. That target market has no money, as you said. It’s a race to a bottom that was already a bottom; a race to nowhere. Yes as you said, iPhone people indeed have the extra money (or at least spend money, whether they have it or not , in the case of some people I know).
i prefer writing web apps,android then ios.. Reason loooow profit.
 
I think they have stopped doing that as they realised that it made them look like douches. Also, virtually no one outside of forums like these cares.

I have a Mk1 Pixel as it still has free unlimited full-res photo uploads. It still works fine, despite not having any new updates since last year. Of course I would prefer it to continue to have updates and am definitely not going to defend Google's decisions (on frankly anything hardware or software related) but it certainly doesn't keep me awake at night that it doesn't.

To be fair, no one that would consider Apple jerks for doing that really watches entire Apple keynotes either.
 
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I don't get how this is seen as some kind of formidable success and cheered at every keynote... updates are free, there are so many notifications that you're basically forced to update if you don't want to be annoyed for the rest of your life. Some apps stop working or won't update if you don't update the system.... What is there for Tim Cook to brag about? I'm confused.
He gets to brag about how the user base is on the latest software, and will continue to be, because of nagging notifications and auto-update, while android users are at the mercy of their individual phone vendors.
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Apple just launched iPhone SE in India. Can someone share its review?
 
Is there a way to spin this into some negative news?

Well, because of poor Apple software quality, I'll never again automatically update my phone to new releases.
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The real accomplishment from the Apple side isn't even the 92% of devices from the last 4 years. It's the 81% of all of their iPhones. Of course, this could mean that when an iPhone is declared obsolete, users upgrade and the device falls out of the pool of "active devices" that count towards this percentage. . . . .

The accomplishment is that Apple forces people to throwaway perfectly good phones because the battery is not user replaceable or because they have been slowed down by Apple software decisions.
 
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Well, because of poor Apple software quality, I'll never again automatically update my phone to new releases.
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I always update, as soon as a new release comes out. Never had a problem that renders the phone inoperative or prevents me from using certain functions (that's a different take than bug free). I'll update my ipad to ios 14 sometime during summer.
 
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To my knowledge no US carrie would even support the original iPhone as none support 2g. And now with the carries dropping support for 3g no one will be able to use an iPhone 5 or older (the iPhone 5 has no support for volte). I know Verizon for example is cutting support for 3g in December and won't even activate a phone not compatible with volte.It will be interesting to see what people who refuse to upgrade do, though I would have to imagine its a vey small precent of people still on very old iPhones.

So they eventually had to get a new phone. I'll bet, knowing what they were like, it's not an iPhone. *sigh* Some people...
 
I like to be in as much control of my devices as possible, regardless of being in the walled garden. More options is a good thing.

Plus there’s also the chance of accidentally agreeing to the update install if you are not careful. Eventually “nag mode” will start.

I’ve seen it written before (admittedly back in the 16 GB days) where people have run out of storage because the update has auto downloaded itself, they were not even aware it does that. It’s bloody cheeky of Apple.

I don’t know why you mention iTunes updates or jailbreaks when quoting me?

i simply answered to your post, thats all. whats the problem?
 
hmm quite a sweeping statement. I have certainly purchased apps (subscriptions etc) on Android, and on Apple (probably more, but not substantially). I would also add that in the past, since I haven’t bought anything recently on either platform, that apps in the Play store were often cheaper and / or free as apposed to the App Store counterpart. (To buy in the first place)

As for “ iPhone people indeed have the extra money,” well that’s just a ridiculous (snobby) statement. iPhone people? for goodness sake, what are those? People only buy android phones because they’er poor? if you want to make silly bigoted statements, I think “iPhone people” waste more money than Android people


Sadly, yes you’re right it is snobby, and I don’t entirely like that (not being sarcastic or snippy). 😕 that’s where iPhones first started; at that higher end of the market, then drifted “down market” (where do you think this term came from and what it implies?). Android people don’t buy their phones either. They get them super-highly subsidized or free. It really does divide market, and that’s the result of competition. Yes it is “iPhone people” and “android people” as the bulk, with outliers on either end like us nerds who aren’t the “main market” for either. Us nerds here are anecdotes, not data.

Just to illustrate, even I didn’t get my first two sequential iPhones until it was carrier subsidized. Later the installment plan helped me with my 6S, which I later traded for cash to add to my available cash to get my SE which I still have. I’m not the target market to buy that 11 Pro Max Super Mega edition, either. I’m their market for the side services and “stickiness” of the ecosystem.

It’s simple market forces and economics at play, and that is a collection of cold heartless stats.

Disclosure: I was a Linux geek for decades and was initially optimistic for Android, but I gave it all up after too much personal frustration and moved to Mac and iOS. I saw Android for the crap fest it eventually was destined to be. It hasn’t disappointed. I need to spend less time futzing around with my equipment and more time getting things done in my life, knowing my equipment is ready to work when I pick it up. That’s why I chose iOS and Mac.
 
I don't get how this is seen as some kind of formidable success and cheered at every keynote... updates are free, there are so many notifications that you're basically forced to update if you don't want to be annoyed for the rest of your life. Some apps stop working or won't update if you don't update the system.... What is there for Tim Cook to brag about? I'm confused.
It’s a benchmark for iPhones able to support the newest o/s features in iOS 13.
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And all of us said so what to Apple.

just because your software is installed doesn’t mean we like it.
Doesn’t mean we don’t like it either.
 
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I don't get how this is seen as some kind of formidable success and cheered at every keynote... updates are free, there are so many notifications that you're basically forced to update if you don't want to be annoyed for the rest of your life. Some apps stop working or won't update if you don't update the system.... What is there for Tim Cook to brag about? I'm confused.

It shows 'longer value', and the 'buy in' of users. I don't remember which update went a little bad, but it wasn't very well distrubuted across existing device owners. That would be embarrassing. And comparing the Apple updates to Windows, how many people had to buy a new system to support the next release of their OS. I had a 2 year old notebook, and it wouldn't support Windows 7. I couldn't get the NIC, or audio to work. I can live without the later, but no network? And it was ALL networking gear, even plugin cards. Yikes... That left a mark. I wiped the drive, and kept using the old version. I'm sure many did as well. That doesn't make for a happy user base. Yadda yadda yadda... Cheers...
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Not surprising considering the way iOS nags you to update.

And Windows 10!

I was 'gifted' Windows 10, after repeatedly saying 'HELL NO!' on an older system. I went down and flipped the monitor on, and OH NO!!! I've been INFECTED!

I still have one system that was 'gifted' Windows 10, and it keeps trying to install the next big update so it's still supported. Over and over again, I see it stuck ont he screen 'Something went wrong', and it downgrades itself, only to try to upgrade itself once again. I worked through the 'If the update fails' points, and did a basic Google, and it's helplessly stuck. But I prattle on... 'Nagware' sucks... Being 'gifted' updates does too...
 
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iOS 13 was pretty rocky at first, but it's not bad now. Those who are on iOS 12 still have a rock-solid operating system, too.
It would be nice to have dark mode, but I don’t want my Safari iCloud synchronization to break between my four devices just because iOS 13 will ignore High Sierra’s Safari iCloud data.

Apple wants us to enjoy their ecosystem, but they can’t seem to make it work reliably and stop themselves breaking it across OS releases. It’s all about pushing the next hardware sale. It’s always been this way, but today’s Apple is becoming unbearable and obvious about it.
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100% of iPhones released in the last 4 years look the same /s

In one way the 92% is impressive because it means bugs can be fixed quicker for the majority of uses if they have identical hardware and software, but the nagging can be tiresome.
I don’t see bugs being fixed.
 
This is why developers want to write for iOS. Stable market compared to ”the others” on the Island.
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Indeed, Android people don’t buy apps. They don’t buy anything. Phone calls, emails, and text is all they do. Maybe Facebook/Messenger. That target market has no money, as you said. It’s a race to a bottom that was already a bottom; a race to nowhere. Yes as you said, iPhone people indeed have the extra money (or at least spend money, whether they have it or not , in the case of some people I know).
iPhone people implicitly have extra money? Where’s mine? Have I missed it somewhere?

I’m in poverty. That doesn’t mean I’m automatically going to choose the cheapest device as a rule. I’ve used droid devices and hate them. Apple devices used to be superior but now they’re just less bad, so I choose them.

Poverty doesn’t mean I’m never going to buy apps. I’m selective. I’m a musician & photographer, and there are numerous interesting tools on iOS for this. Luckily, they aren’t expensive and I can actually find a spare $30 on occasion. Sales help too. Entertainment and hobbies are necessary for sanity.

None of this has anything to do with any kind of iPhone-implied wealth status. I find it ridiculous how this myth continues to be promoted. I know what I want and I don’t waste my spare money on garbage or other pointless expendables. No alcohol, no drugs, almost no sweets, no fast food, rarely restaurants, no magazines or subscriptions (outside Netflix), I buy clothes only when needed... I save my tiny amounts of spare money until I’m sure I have made the correct choice on what to spend it on. Though, mostly, i “eat” it. Groceries are easier to justify than gadgets and entertainment.

It’s all about making careful choices.

Droid devices aren’t bought solely because of lacking money and they’re not necessarily cheap. Some people just don’t value the devices in terms of OS choice; they don’t have preference (or awareness) of the functional or usability differences. I do value the differences, so I choose appropriately.

Again, buying Apple devices doesn’t mean we are wealthy, especially when you can buy it on a payment plan.
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To be fair, no one that would consider Apple jerks for doing that really watches entire Apple keynotes either.
I’ve stopped watching their presentations because of exactly that: they’ve become Wall Street corporatist douches. They’ve stopped delivering on the values they utilized to pull me in, back in 2008. Different company today.
 
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81% of all iPhones use iOS 13? How can that possibly be correct? iOS 13 only works on 6S and above, so this must mean less than 19% of all iPhones in existence are 6 or older?

Or do they really mean 81% of all iPhones that are eligible to install iOS 13 have done so?

I think you can only make such a sweeping statement if you adopt an aggressive mechanism for removing older iPhones from the calculation.

Add in auto updating and aggressive nagging and I'm surprised there number isn't higher.
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What percentage of Android phones sold in the past 4 years are running the latest version of Android? 15%? Less?

Who cares? They don't need it like Apple feels iPhones do.
 
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