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Since yours is an extreme case (800 movies purchased & controlled by "strangers" in the cloud), I'll offer you what is- IMO-0 best solution to mostly abandon the Apple TV app and keep building your collection with actually owned, not lifetime* leased media.

Step 1: Get Big Storage for the 800 videos. That's probably one big hard drive. With 20TB hard drives available for as little as < $300 as I write this, taking possession of your library from strangers in the cloud is easy and cheap.
Step 2: Download the 800 from the cloud to your new local storage.
Step 3: Refer back to post #64 and do what is described there. This will index your 800 in the TV app on Mac (or iTunes on old macOS Mac or PCs) while leaving the library on the drive purchased in Step 1.
Step 4: Use the Orange Computers app instead of the AppleTV app on AppleTV to enjoy your movies. No more ads, no more services pitches, no more teasers to content you would have to buy/rent/subscribe for access, etc. Just enjoy.

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Ripping your own video- just like ripping audio from CDs- will yield files you can enjoy in the Mac's TV app just like you enjoy the latter in the Music app. And both ripped video and ripped Music will flow to AppleTV Computers App via home sharing, where you can enjoy your 800 videos + future purchases, MINUS all of the promotional stuff that the AppleTV app slings in every open.

Otherwise, you can wait and hope Apple will someday get around to evolving removed features to being in there again. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. But you have the power to adapt to an alt way today if you want it.
This part is not as easy as you make it sound. You've invested man-days into figuring out the best software, settings, etc., to make everything work. I used to play around with ripping my DVD's and Blu-Rays using MakeMKV. Half the time it worked, half the time it didn't. The decryption keys didn't work, or some other issue. It's not smooth sailing unless there is a new method to rip your own media (which teeters on the legal/illegal front).

Also, Step 2 -- Download the 800 movies from the cloud? Don't those movies once downloaded have some digital protection in them? If so, are they really yours?

I'm not saying what you describe doesn't work, it obviously does for you, and I'd be interested in knowing more about how you do it. I currently have a Plex Server with around 500 titles and offers flexibility and a great experience. Also, Infuse for iPad and I can throw some movie files on a USB-C drive and watch them when away from decent internet.

So, if you care to share the best way to rip these days, many here might appreciate it. :)
 
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So Apple finally seems to be retiring iTunes, about time.

Something I’ve noticed….you can no longer buy music using the music app, only via iTunes, does this mean this will go away as well, as in we won’t be able to buy music on iTunes in the future? Only Apple Music?
 
My iTunes movies wishlist wasn't big just like 20 titles so I have moved it manually to the new place. The thing I actually like is the new wishlist sends me always to a movie in app where I can watch it for free through connected app. And I really appreciate it.
 
This part is not as easy as you make it sound. You've invested man-days into figuring out the best software, settings, etc., to make everything work. I used to play around with ripping my DVD's and Blu-Rays using MakeMKV. Half the time it worked, half the time it didn't. The decryption keys didn't work, or some other issue. It's not smooth sailing unless there is a new method to rip your own media (which teeters on the legal/illegal front).

Also, Step 2 -- Download the 800 movies from the cloud? Don't those movies once downloaded have some digital protection in them? If so, are they really yours?

I'm not saying what you describe doesn't work, it obviously does for you, and I'd be interested in knowing more about how you do it. I currently have a Plex Server with around 500 titles and offers flexibility and a great experience. Also, Infuse for iPad and I can throw some movie files on a USB-C drive and watch them when away from decent internet.

So, if you care to share the best way to rip these days, many here might appreciate it. :)

Disc through free MakeMKV app, then through free Handbrake (targeting an AppleTV-friendly format) will work almost every time. There are abundant tutorials online that share the step-by-step. For tagging & movie posters, I still favor MetaZ and/or Subler (both free apps for Mac) but there are others.

Yes, iTunes movies downloaded to a hard drive STILL have Apple DRM. The point there is getting them on your own hard drive makes it easy to get them into the Computers App on AppleTV, so one can quit using the AppleTV app if they like. Also possessing a copy on your own drive won't get mysteriously deleted if the Studio decides to delete the copy of the same movie "in the cloud."

Are downloaded iTunes movies really yours? Not as good as owning a disc but better than trusting strangers in the cloud to be the media caretakers. Possessing them makes them more yours than not possessing them. You still don't own them like you do a disc copy (you can't easily loan them to others or sell them to someone else like you could with a disc) but there are very tangible benefits of possession of "lifetime* lease" media vs. being disconnected from that possession.
 
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Disc through free MakeMKV app, then through free Handbrake (targeting an AppleTV-friendly format) will work almost every time. There are abundant tutorials online that share the step-by-step. For tagging & movie posters, I still favor MetaZ and/or Subler (both free apps for Mac) but there are others.

Yes, iTunes movies downloaded to a hard drive STILL have Apple DRM. The point there is getting them on your own hard drive makes it easy to get them into the Computers App on AppleTV, so one can quit using the AppleTV app if they like. Also possessing a copy on your own drive won't get mysteriously deleted if the Studio decides to delete the copy of the same movie "in the cloud."

Are downloaded iTunes movies really yours? Not as good as owning a disc but better than trusting strangers in the cloud to be the media caretakers. Possessing them makes them more yours than not possessing them. You still don't own them like you do a disc copy (you can't easily loan them to others or sell them to someone else like you could with a disc) but there are very tangible benefits of possession of "lifetime* lease" media vs. being disconnected from that possession.
Curious -- have you tried using Plex or Infuse for your library? It does all the indexing, movie posters, metadata, etc., and requires zero user effort (apart from naming your files with a certain format so it knows what movie it is). I can't say enough good things about both. Plex is free or you can pay for a lifetime version that give you more features.

Regarding ripping, it sounds like not much has changed to make the process easier. I think for many (like me), the tradeoff of convenience having things put in the cloud for me versus all the hours it takes to rip a single movie -- you really have to be serious and dedicated and have the time (and hardware) to do this. If you're starting out with 100 discs, the time to rip, for most, is simply not there.
 
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I have looked at Plex and Infuse but the stock Apple Computers App scratches all of my digital media wants just fine. People certainly could go the Plex way too and it is great. I could dump all of my ripped media into the new "own media" features of the Channels app (the one app used more often in my household than the Computers app). There are many ways to accomplish similar goals.

However, in the interests of keeping it relatively simple, the Computers app made by Apple works great for all of this. Everyone with an AppleTV already has it installed. And one can easily learn to convert disc media to a format that will flow right into it. Apple actually endorses it by offering Home Sharing to the Computers App. One stays in an Apple-designed UI when using it too.

Ripping video is not as easy as ripping CDs... but not super difficult either- just more steps. It is time consuming and can take a few hours even on Silicon Macs. However, one can get a bunch of their "100" ready to convert as background tasks (use some of those many cores in modern Macs), go to bed and let their Mac work for them on that chore while they sleep. When they wake up, that group of movies is ready to tag. 100 at- say- 5 per night takes only 20 nights in which we'll all be sleeping anyway. Then they have all 100 fully tagged and ready to enjoy in the Computers app on all AppleTVs in the house.

While I reference "few hours", that doesn't mean that someone must be sitting there for those few hours while ripping them: "background task" is key phrase. Start the MakeMKV process and then do other things while it extracts the video. Then start the Handbrake process and do other things while it converts the video into Apple-friend formats. This latter step can be cued up to do while one sleeps. Tagging them the next morning draws from online media detail databases, so it is quick too (much like how Music/iTunes pulls the CD song names from online databases to tag music).

It absolutely is harder and takes more time to get them into a final and tagged state, but- just like ripping CDs- that's a one-time task and then one can enjoy them for years on demand in the Computers app, sync any of them to iDevices to enjoy them even when disconnected from "the cloud", etc.

Sidebar: I happen to have accumulated a substantial collection of home movies- hundreds of videos. These have been edited & rendered in FCPX or iMovie, run (one time) through Handbrake (often while I slept) to get them into Apple formats and then manually tagged to make their data, descriptions, etc be just as good as any of movie or TV shows in the collection. Those very naturally flow to AppleTV Computers app in the very same way. So Computers (app) becomes the "one (media) app to rule them all" in my household: movies, tv shows, home movies, photos, music. It "just works" great!

There is no denying the convenience of letting Apple "do the ripping, tagging, storing, controlling" in the cloud. That IS more convenient. In turn, most get to enjoy that convenience the way that Apple chooses to let them enjoy- or not enjoy- it... such as in the AppleTV app which is then pitching them other things to buy/rent/subscribe like crazy and having favored features like this wish list stripped away at any time.

When someone else controls something, you live by THEIR rules. When you control something, you get to choose. It may be a bit harder on you to go your own way, but then you get to make the bulk of the decisions... instead of strangers.

Which way is better? I don't know. "Better" is very much a mind of the beholder concept. But stuff like this can make some cloud/convenience people unhappy, giving them a chance to rethink how they go at this kind of thing. Negative changes implemented by strangers can be the catalyst to "think different."
 
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You can still reach your wish list. Go to iTunes Store App, Music Store Tab. Wish list are still in upper right menu and shows everything including movies. But yes they should bring them into the TV App.
The TV app needs a serious overhaul. I don't want ads in the app I'm watching my movies in. I don't want to see movies I don't own. I liked have a Store app separate.
My movies and TV shows wishlist still shows in the iTunes Store app, though. if they just leave that alone I'm fine with that. I wouldn't even mind the TV app as much if there was an option to just show content I already owned.
 
The TV app needs a serious overhaul. I don't want ads in the app I'm watching my movies in. I don't want to see movies I don't own. I liked have a Store app separate.
My movies and TV shows wishlist still shows in the iTunes Store app, though. if they just leave that alone I'm fine with that. I wouldn't even mind the TV app as much if there was an option to just show content I already owned.
Seems reasonable, except for the fact after spending upwards of $20 on a movie at a theater, you spend 30 minutes watching commercials and previews. Don't you want your viewing experience to be as close as possible to the cinema? :D
 
Since yours is an extreme case (800 movies purchased & controlled by "strangers" in the cloud), I'll offer you what is- IMO-the best solution to mostly abandon the Apple TV app and keep building your collection with actually owned, not lifetime* leased media.

Step 1: Get Big Storage for the 800 videos. That's probably one big hard drive. With 20TB hard drives available for as little as < $300 as I write this, taking possession of your library from strangers in the cloud is easy and cheap.
Step 2: Download the 800 from the cloud to your new local storage.
Step 3: Refer back to post #64 and do what is described there. This will index your 800 in the TV app on Mac (or iTunes on old macOS Mac or PCs) while leaving the library on the drive purchased in Step 1.
Step 4: Use the Orange Computers app instead of the AppleTV app on AppleTV to enjoy your movies. No more ads, no more services pitches, no more teasers to content you would have to buy/rent/subscribe for access, etc. Just enjoy.

Among many other things, possessing your content means controlling your content. Continuing to trust a stranger in the cloud to caretake your content would be not very far from trusting a stranger with your bank savings. At any time, anything can happen when someone else controls your stuff. Right now, you are a prime victim in waiting of the mysterious "one of my movies is now missing from my collection" scenarios (which is usually a case of the studios stripping that movie). Step 1 puts you in charge of your stuff. Download your 800 and nobody can rip any of them away. Backup your 800 and a drive failure won't make you lose them either. The whole "cloud" thing facilitates injecting strangers between consumers and their digital stuff. It's easy to imagine all kinds of negative scenarios about that.

Wishlist still exists- just not in the AppleTV app. Access your wishlist on your Mac in the Music app: scroll to footer items to find My Wish List, then click "movies" or "tv show" tabs.

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You will likely find that it's also easier to browse individual movies and make any future purchases there too. If you do make more purchases, download them to the Step 1 hard drive and enjoy them on the Computers app on AppleTV.

Since you use your wish list for bargain hunts, refer back to post #13 for a 2 birds with 1 stone solution. The used disc market will very often cost less than the new digital copy of about anything, so you can almost always find a better buy that way vs. waiting & hoping for special sales. Buying a disc means you will actually own the video instead of lifetime* lease, with all of the benefits of owning something (such as easily loaning it to someone else or even selling it to someone else).

Your Silicon Mac has all this incredible power "we" always sling to each other around here, so use that power to rip a digital copy from the disc so you can add it to the Step 1 library and enjoy it just like you do from Apple purchased content. Bonus: In ripping from disc, YOU get to choose the quality of both video and audio vs. strangers in the cloud, so- if you like- you can choose a better quality setting than Apple chooses.

Ripping your own video- just like ripping audio from CDs- will yield files you can enjoy in the Mac's TV app just like you enjoy the latter in the Music app. And both ripped video and ripped Music will flow to AppleTV Computers App via home sharing, where you can enjoy your 800 videos + future purchases, MINUS all of the promotional stuff that the AppleTV app slings in every open.

Otherwise, you can wait and hope Apple will someday get around to introducing formerly-removed features as brand new, "we think you'll love it" features again. Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. But you have the power to adapt to an alt way today if you want it... and cut most Apple and Studio shenanigans mostly out of the equation. Think different.

I have over 1,100 dvds, Blu-Rays and 4k UHDs. There’s no way I’m ripping all of that and associated special features to discs.
 
Then don't. I'm not giving any orders here- just sharing a way to take better control of one's media than only buying from iTunes Store and trusting (and being at the mercy of) strangers in the cloud as caretakers.

I own about that many discs too, stored in the attic with all of them and other media on big storage ready to flow to the Computers app on AppleTVs throughout the home on demand. (And home sharing also makes them easily available to all iDevices and Macs in the home too).

The great advantage to fetching the disc itself is that it offers some superior audio options- particularly DTS audio not available in Apple formats- AND you are watching a first generation copy of the video vs. a second generation copy following the conversion process. So discs should yield better video and possibly better audio depending on the track played.

Someone wanting some hybrid preserving all disc advantages and the greater convenience of local streaming on demand to AppleTVs could use Plex to play not-Handbraked "whole disc" rips from substantially bigger storage. Plex and similar are great for that. Computers app requires video in Apple formats. Plex and others have flexibility to play other formats.
 
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In one fail swoop, Apple has ruined the interface that made the Apple TV so elegant and simple. The new combined everything attempt is an utter failure and looks like crap.
I'm OK with the combined app (so far), but there doesn't seem to be a way to delete the obsolete apps! Annoying.
 
I'm so mad. I didn't realize I had my Apple TV 4K on Auto-Update. It just updated and I'm fuming.

I have over 800 PURCHASED movies on iTunes, so I have a big dog in this fight. And I have to say, this new update is horrible. The biggest gripe I actually have, to pile on to what everybody else has said, is the lazy and generic new UI. I perused the iTunes Movie store every week to see what discounts and promos they offered (for example, $4.99 movies to own). Now everything is unclear and kind of mashed together. And what's with the lack of a dedicated page for each movie? That's what pissed me off the most! As the "owner" of 800 movies, I enjoyed going through my collection like it was a virtual library and being able to click on a movie and see all the important info at a glance: Cast, Director, year, length, reviews, etc etc.

Now it's just... gone. You must click within the scrubber to bring up a condensed version that lacks so much info.

Apple, you keep doing **** like this and you're gonna lose me. And I've been a loyal customer for years. Enough is enough, respect your customers!

apple.com/feedback
 
Yes they did, they vanished.

The wishlist from the 'Movies' app, and the favourites from the 'TV Series' app has never synced with anything outside of the Apple TV ecosystem.

For years and years I have been amassing a collection on the wishlist from the Movies app, and for years across various other Apple devices (Except an iPhone as I don't own one) I have never been able to view the wishlist/favourites on iTunes.

When I go to iTunes on a macbook or iPad (The PC version of iTunes is for podcasts only now), the wishlist it shows only has the couple of things I added a long time ago on the iPad just to test to see what would happen between iTunes on the iPad and Movies/TV Series on the ATV.

My 200 strong wishlist on the Apple TV is just, gone...
When I open the 'iTunes Store' app, on my iPhone, and in the music tab I tap the menu in the top right corner, it pulls up my movie wish list. Have you tried that? I'm curious why it would work for some but not for others.
 
Then don't. I'm not giving any orders here- just sharing a way to take better control of one's media than only buying from iTunes Store and trusting (and being at the mercy of) strangers in the cloud as caretakers.

I own about that many discs too, stored in the attic with all of them and other media on big storage ready to flow to the Computers app on AppleTVs throughout the home on demand. (And home sharing also makes them easily available to all iDevices and Macs in the home too).

The great advantage to fetching the disc itself is that it offers some superior audio options- particularly DTS audio not available in Apple formats- AND you are watching a first generation copy of the video vs. a second generation copy following the conversion process. So discs should yield better video and possibly better audio depending on the track played.

Someone wanting some hybrid preserving all disc advantages and the greater convenience of local streaming on demand to AppleTVs could use Plex to play not-Handbraked "whole disc" rips from substantially bigger storage. Plex and similar are great for that. Computers app requires video in Apple formats. Plex and others have flexibility to play other formats.

Again, converting a large collection like that is not a trivial task. A VERY SMALL number of people may choose that option but it isn’t a valid path for most. That’s why Apple’s consumer hostile behavior is so problematic. There really isn’t a valid alternative.
 
When I open the 'iTunes Store' app, on my iPhone, and in the music tab I tap the menu in the top right corner, it pulls up my movie wish list. Have you tried that? I'm curious why it would work for some but not for others.

That’s all well and good but the functionality of the wish list is severely degraded by removing it from the Apple TV itself.
 
Hell, I'd settle for them not calling sporting events that aren't games... "Games". Everything from motorsports to downhill skiing to ice sliding events .. "Games"... It makes my eye twitch.
Probably designed by people who don't watch sports. Sportsball! I hope he hits a touchdown here.
 
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My wish list still shows in iTunes for both movies and tv. I confirmed that I am on iOS 17.2.
 
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